То е ко ќе чита чоек Челзи-форум во недела насабајле, или наутро, како сакате.
José Mourinho:
On Chelsea winning the league in Ancelotti's first season with arguable much more entertaining football...
“People can write what they want,” he responds. “First of all, I’m happy Chelsea did it. I want it very clear I’m happy they won it. They had the record of goals. But please don’t compare this Man United with my Man United. Don’t compare this Arsenal with my Arsenal. My Arsenal was a team that won the league without one defeat in 2003-4. Don’t compare this Liverpool with my Liverpool. And don’t compare this Premiership with my Premiership. Don’t compare because you cannot compare.
“Man United lost Ronaldo. Okay, the coach is a tremendous coach, the team is full of great players, but Ronaldo is Ronaldo, and he scores 30 goals a season. Ronaldo wins points and points and points. When a club and the league loses a player like Ronaldo it loses a lot.
Mourinho is very clever. He knows people remember Man United for the last three seasons but
he fails to highlight the fact that ManU was very much in a transitional period when Chelsea won the league in 2004/05 and 2005/06. In 2004/05 Man U only managed to get 77 points, scoring 58 goals in the process. That is abysmal and the previous season was even worse when they finished third with 75 points. The team was in a transition where Ronaldo was only coming through and that season he only scored 5 goals in the Premier League, Van Nisterooy was on his way out after clashing with Fergie and he only managed 6 goals in the league. In fact, the only player reaching double figures in the league was Wayne Rooney with 11. They also crashed out in the first knock-out stage in the CL.
Mourinho is right, you can't compare the two teams. United is indefinately better this season than in 2004/05. We ended up with 95 points, 9 more than this season but that means nothing in my opinion.
The league is so much stronger this season with the 7 teams in position 4-10 having 6 points more each on average. The average for 04/05 was 54.7 points, this season that average was 60.7 points. Ahead of the season everyone was predicting a closer league as well, only highlighting the increase in quality. Villa is a £30m investment from being genuine top 4 challengers. City is already there. Tottenham as well. Next season we will have 4 genuine contenders in City. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U, with Tottenham and Villa looking to be just as strong as this season.
How about Liverpool that ended up 7th in 2010? Well, in 04/05 they ended up with 58 points in 5th place. That's 5 points less than what they got this season at 7th... So in terms of points Liverpool is actually better than in 04/05...
Arsenal? They are the only big 4 team that seems to have gone backwards with 8 points less.
In 05/06 when we retained the title the story is similar. Although Man U had a much stronger league season (83 points, 72 goals scored) their fortunes were greatly aided when they ended up last in the CL group, having only the league and domestic cups to focus on after December. This season they ended up with 85 points. Their cup runs were over by february. This season Ronaldo managed 9 league goals and 11 in all competitions.
Far from the world-class Ronaldo we saw after Mourinho was gone from Chelsea. Van Nistelrooy and Rooney were the only two players scoring with any sort of regularity ending up with 21 and 16 league goals respectively. Rooney scored 26 this season... I still hold Man U anno 2009/10 as a much much better team than in 05/06. We ended up with 91 points for the season, 5 points more than this season but again the points average for the teams in position 4-10 was higher this season, albeit the difference was much smaller this time around (60.7 vs 59.2). However, we were out of the CL in the first knock-out run (after only finishing second in our group) and failed to win any of the cups (going out at the first hurlde against Charlton in the league cup and semi-final in the FA cup).
Liverpool had a strong season with 82 points now improving vastly whereas Arsenal were in a free-fall ending up with 67 points.
In 2003/04 when the "invincibles" won the league without a loss they ended up with 90 points, oh yes. That's a whole 4 points more than what we got this season....
My conclusion is that José is talking up his own performance vastly. The facts is there for all to see if you bother to look for them.
The fact is that Ronaldo were never the world class player he was for United in 2007/08 and 2008/09 until Jose left us. In 2006/07 he scored 17 league goals and 23 in all competitions. This season saw us with 83 points, albeit ravaged by injuries in a squad José trimmed way too much, in a season where Bolton and Reading finished 7th and 8th.
“Liverpool is an incredible phenomenon. From 2004 to 2010 it looks like the team instead of improving is getting worse. Tottenham is coming, Aston Villa is coming, Man City is coming, but I think that magic of a fight of titans, all of them very, very strong in the top of the League, I don’t see this season was like this.
Liverpool's points tally since 04/05:
04/05: 58, 05/06: 82, 06/07: 68, 07/08: 76, 08/09: 86, 09/10: 63
In fact the complete opposite seem to be true.
Liverpool were at it's weakest during the three seasons JM was here.
“Chelsea were out of Champions League very, very soon. They could concentrate on the championship — and they did it very well. Carlo is very experienced, he kept the team calm and focused, and he didn’t let them lose focus and confidence. They concentrate very, very well in the championship, and they deserve to win it in the end.”
Correct, but at the same time
Inter had a chance to drop a lot of points end of the season focusing on the Champions League since their domestic league is a joke. Inter ended up with
82 points in a league that was completely bereft of any genuine challengers apart from when Inter let Roma back in it over the last two months.
И како сега најтрофејниот клупски тренер, берем засега, да го сметам (јас како фан на Челзи) за нешто повеќе од име на парфем? Дури ни толку не можам по читање на ова.
Баш ме интересира коментар од фаној добри со англискиов, од ко ќе го исчитаат ова.
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Фантом од твојот пост рабрав дека премиер лига е срање ,ако сум погрешно разбрал се извунавам ,ама ако е така можеш ли да ми кажеш која фудбалска лига е подобра од англиската ,Шпанската која после 5 коло реал и барселона се одлепуваат од сите други екипи и се знае кој е шампион,исто така е во долниот дел од табелата,Италијанската несакам ни да зборувам освен еден интер што има европска екипа другиве би биле подпросечни кога би играле на ниво како што играат англискиве екипи,буднес лигата се виде дека нема квалитет за во европа нешто баерн се труди ама далеку се од квалитетот на англичаните барем според мене ...додека во англија ретко кога шампионот се знае после 5 коло и ретко кој знае кој ке испаѓа и кој ке оди во европа до 3,4 кола до пред крајот на сезоната ,плус екипите од средниот дел од табелата секогаш играат цврст и груб фудбал така да на појаките екипи не им е баш лесно да се справат со тие што ги рачунаат за послаби екипи,значи од ова погоре негледам која лига би била подобра од англиската.
Не знам што мислиш под „подобра“. Никогаш не сум рекол дека лигата не е најкомпетитивна, најизедначена. Но тврдам дека најквалитетните светски играчи ни одблиску не се во Премиер Лигата.
Или накратко, лигата е најкомпетитивна, но не и најквалитетна. Бар јас гледам разлика во тие две работи.