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На бугарски имаме "чебата" (вид леб), но е нешто ново во јазикот. Не е стар збор. Увезен од некаде последните 10 години.
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mtdna
around 3200 bc European Neolithic farmers were replaced by a new population that come from the Balkan and the surrounding area, and we don’t know why. Something major happened, and the hunt is now on to find out what that was. (Brotherton 2013)
jas znam..
od pradedo mi, pa zatoa slicnosti...Brotherton 2013-Neolithic mitochondrial haplogroup
H od dedo mi genomes and the genetic origins of Europeans----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
R1a
The estimated range expansion (14.0±3.3 KYA) (Supplementary
340 Table 3), associated mean variance (0.384) and high haplotype diver-
341 sity (0.9905±0.0178) (Table 1) also evident in the phylogenetic net-
342 work (Supplementary Fig. 1C) among Serbian R1a1a-M198 carriers,
343 are consistent with previous studies (Peričić et al., 2005; Semino
344 et al., 2000; Wells et al., 2001) that suggest the common ancestor
345 for all R1a1a-M198 individuals in the Balkans existed in Paleolithic
346 times. The R1a1a7 defining marker, M458, exhibits a Central and
347 Eastern European compartmentalization within the R1a haplogroup
348 (Underhill et al., 2010). While R1a1a7-M458 displays high diversity
349 among Slavic and Finno-Ugric peoples (coalescent time ~11 KYA),
350 R1a1a*(xM458) has the most diversity among Indo-Aryan and
351 Dravidian speakers (coalescent time in India ~14 KYA) (Underhill
352 et al., 2010). Analysis of both chromosomes in Serbia revealed higher
353 R1a1a7-M458 diversity than R1a1a*(xM458) and yielded coalescent
354 times at ~14 KYA (mean variances ~0.448) and 11 KYA (mean vari-
355 ance 0.306), respectively.
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I2
The role of the Balkans as a gateway into Europe from the Near
365 East has been illustrated by IJ-M429 Y chromosomes which are
366 thought to have entered Europe through the Peninsula shortly before
367 the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) (Battaglia et al., 2009; Semino et al.,
368 2000; Underhill et al., 2007). Descendent Y-chromosomes bearing
369 the M429 mutation then segregated to form haplogroup I-M258
370 somewhere in Europe close to the Near East, subsequently giving
371 rise to haplogroups I1-M253, I2a-P37.2 and I2b1-M223 (Underhill
372 et al., 2007). Haplogroup I is thought to have played a central role in
373 the process of human recolonization of Europe from isolated glacial
374 refugia after the LGM, moreover, the expansion phase of I1-M253
375 and I2a-P37.2, exhibiting different phylogeographies, is thought to
376 have occurred later, during the early Holocene corresponding with
377 the beginning of the Mesolithic age (Rootsi et al., 2004). The age
378 based on 15 Y-STR loci for all I lineages in Serbia (N=39) was esti-
379 mated to be 20.0±4.0 KYA, a value very close to the population
380 divergence time estimated by Rootsi et al. (2004) (23.0±7.7 KYA),
381 further supporting that the Gravettian technology/culture (archeolo-
382 gically dated at approximately 24 KYA in the Upper Paleolithic)
383 spread across Europe with the migrations of people from the Middle
384 East, Anatolia and the Balkans carrying the I-M258 mutation
385 ~28,000–22,000 years ago.
The high haplotype diversity of I2a2-P37.2/M423 lineages in Serbia (0.9977±0.0094) also supports the hypothesis that the P37.2 mutation has been present in the Balkans before the LGM (Rootsi et al., 2004; Semino et al., 2000).
Moreover,
389 the age of I2a2-M423 chromosomes in Serbs based on accumulated
390 Y-STR variation, is ~9000 years ago (Table 1) and is consistent with
391 previously reported time frames in the Early Holocene, during the Eu-
392 ropean Mesolithic period (Battaglia et al., 2009; Peričić et al., 2005;
393 Rootsi et al., 2004; Underhill et al., 2007). Our data corroborate the
394 previous assertion by Battaglia et al. (2009) that the autochthonous
395 haplogroup I2a2-M423 is indicative of the adoption of farming by
396 Mesolithic hunter–gatherers in the Balkans.
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od pradedo mi i ete ti slavsi....Maria-Regueiro-Et-Al-High-Levels-of-Paleolithic-Y-Chromosome-Lineages-Characterize-Serbia
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znae li nekoj sto znaci zborot SURME
ja znam no za toa pokasno
ja znam no za toa pokasno
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Еве чуден Македонски збор е......... Ебаго 
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етимолошки, поврзан е со поимите to rule , possess supreme or superhuman power...
Дрпа - да повлечеш наеднаш или силно, да го дрпнеш за ракав на пример. На англиски jerk
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Има и „драпање“ - зафркавање со некого, зезање...