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Едно место што се вика саксија.
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Зборам за тоа што е праведно, и тука ми е аналогијата со примерите. Ама кој да сфати.
Некој што направил срање пред тоа сеа сите треба да го злоупотребат истото под изговор кога они можат можеме и ние
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Не е некој направил некогаш срање, Прават константно срање 80 години, причинувајќи милиони жртви. Само последните 10 години нивните пиздарии однеле над милиони жртви. Нивната политичка интервенција во Украина во 2014 година чинеше 10К животи на Руси константно бомбардирани 8 години. Конкретно овој случај е одговор на тие акции, кои ги правеше Украинската влада, со тапшање на рамото од страна на истите оние кои кои сега се најгласни за интервенцијата, бранејќи ги своите пулени кои се шетаат отворено со кукасти крстови и искрено надевајќи се дека ќе ја вовлечат Украина во војна користејќи ги Украинците како топовско месо. Истите тие кои ги имаа за соузници брадосаните во Сирија со црно знаме, кои сечеа глави на каури.Зборам за тоа што е праведно, и тука ми е аналогијата со примерите. Ама кој да сфати.
Некој што направил срање пред тоа сеа сите треба да го злоупотребат истото под изговор кога они можат можеме и ние
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Значи треба да си лоботомиран за да не направиш аналогија на сите случувања и како дошло до тоа. Но претежно владее општа безмочоност, поготово кога се социјалните мрежи во прашање. Социјален инжинеринг по мерката на Гебелс.
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Лицемерие на западот и на темава, катаклизми се дешаваат до еден по полноќ, потоа си легнувате, и секој ден така.
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Еве читајте, зошто ќе го тргнат кај и да е... Која е ударната сила на Украинската одбрана и кого сака Русија да суди за злосторство против човештвото, а воедно и вмешаноста на државата и како се градела „демократијата“...
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Human rights violations and war crimes
Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) have connected the Azov Battalion to war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture.[79][80] An OHCHR report from March 2016 stated that the organisation had "collected detailed information about the conduct of hostilities by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne (31km east of Mariupol), from the summer of 2014 to date. Mass looting of civilian homes was documented, as well as targeting of civilian areas between September 2014 and February 2015."[79]
Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and 'Donbas' (another Ukrainian battalion) battalions in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[80] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding, which resulted in his confessing spying for pro-Russian militants.[80]
Ideology
Neo-Nazism
Emblem featuring a Wolfsangel and Black Sun, two symbols associated with Nazism
The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia[33] with connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing neo-Nazi views.[81][82] The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel[52][83][82][84][85] and the Black Sun,[83][86][87] two neo-Nazi symbols.
Azov soldiers have been observed wearing Nazi-associated symbols on their uniforms.[88] In 2014, the German ZDF television network showed images of Azov fighters wearing helmets with swastika symbols and "the SS runes of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps".[89] In 2015, Marcin Ogdowski, a Polish war correspondent, gained access to one of Azov's bases located in the former holiday resort Majak; Azov fighters showed to him Nazi tattoos as well as Nazi emblems on their uniforms.[90]
Shaun Walker writes in The Guardian that "many of [Azov's] members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials", citing swastika tattoos among the fighters and one who claimed to be a "national socialist".[82] According to The Daily Beast, some of the group's members are "neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and avowed anti-Semites",[56] and "numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias drawn on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations."[91]
Lev Golinkin writes in The Nation that "Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces."[92] Michael Colborne of Foreign Policy has called it "a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement" with "global ambitions", citing similarities between the group's ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[57]
A spokesman for the unit has said "only 10–20%" of its recruits are neo-Nazis, with one commander attributing neo-Nazi ideology to misguided youth.[16] Members of the unit have stated that the inverted Wolfsangel, rather than connected to Nazism, represents the Ukrainian words for "united nation"[82][46] or "national idea" (Ukrainian: Ідеја Nації, Ideya Natsii).[82][85][a]
British political scientist Richard Sakwa writes that Azov's founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology he traces to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[93] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has compared the group's ideology to that of Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[94]
In June 2015, the Canadian defence minister declared that Canadian forces would not provide training or support to Azov Battalion.[95] In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives also passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections. The House had previously passed amendments banning support of Azov between 2014 and 2017, but due to pressure from The Pentagon, the amendments were quietly lifted.[3][96][97] This was protested by the Simon Wiesenthal Center which stated that lifting the ban highlighted the danger of Holocaust distortion in Ukraine.[97]
Relation towards antisemitism
More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed the petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine arguing that Israel is selling military-style Tavor and Negev automatic weapons to the Ukrainian government knowing that some of these arms end up in the hands of right-wing, Azov militia.[98]
Despite accusations that the group is antisemitic, some members of the Jewish community in Ukraine support and serve in the Azov Battalion. One of its most prominent members is Nathan Khazin, leader of the "Jewish hundreds" during the 2013 Euromaidan protests in Kyiv.[99] In an interview, Andriy Biletsky explained that he regards Israel and Japan as role models for the development of Ukraine.[100]
Azov movement
Azov Civil Corps
In spring of 2015, veterans of the Azov volunteer battalion created the core of a non-military non-governmental organization Azov Civil Corps (Tsyvilnyi Korpus "Azov"), for the purpose of "political and social struggle",[101][22] associated with the National Corps political party. In 2016, members of Civil Corps Azov founded a social center "Cossack House" in Kyiv.[citation needed]
National Corps political party
Main article: National Corps
In September 2016, founder and former commander of the Azov Battalion Andriy Biletsky said that he would be leading a new political party.[25] In early October 2016, Biletsky stated that the new party would use neither names nor symbols of the Azov Battalion.[102] On 14 October 2016, this political party called National Corps (Natsionalnyi Korpus) held its first congress.[22][103] There delegates elected Biletsky to head the party for the next four years.[22] National Corps is based on the national social organization "Patriot of Ukraine" (Patriot Ukrainy, before 2015 named "Civic Movement Honest Business", Chesni Spravy),[104][22] which was already registered by the Ministry of Justice.[22]
The party advocates expanding the powers of the President of Ukraine by granting him authority to be the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as well as the head of government.[22] National Corps favors restoring Ukraine's nuclear power status and nationalizing enterprises which were government owned when Ukraine became independent in 1991.[22] The party wants Ukraine to break all ties with Russia (diplomatic, trade and culture ties).[22] It is against Ukraine joining the European Union and against Ukraine joining NATO.[23] It wants to create the "Intermarium Union" with Baltic and Black Sea nations to include, among others, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Republic, and Slovakia.[22][23] The party advocates expanding the right to bear arms and initiate public discussion about restoring capital punishment in Ukraine for treason and the embezzlement of government funds by officials in excessive amounts.[22]
National Militia
In 2017, a paramilitary group called the National Militia (Natsionalni Druzhyny), closely linked to the Azov movement, was formed. Its stated aim is to assist law enforcement agencies, which is allowed under Ukrainian law, and it has conducted street patrols.[105][106] In March 2019, its membership was reportedly "in the low thousands".[107]
Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) have connected the Azov Battalion to war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture.[79][80] An OHCHR report from March 2016 stated that the organisation had "collected detailed information about the conduct of hostilities by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne (31km east of Mariupol), from the summer of 2014 to date. Mass looting of civilian homes was documented, as well as targeting of civilian areas between September 2014 and February 2015."[79]
Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and 'Donbas' (another Ukrainian battalion) battalions in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[80] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding, which resulted in his confessing spying for pro-Russian militants.[80]
Ideology
Neo-Nazism
Emblem featuring a Wolfsangel and Black Sun, two symbols associated with Nazism
The Azov Battalion has been described as a far-right militia[33] with connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing neo-Nazi views.[81][82] The group's insignia features the Wolfsangel[52][83][82][84][85] and the Black Sun,[83][86][87] two neo-Nazi symbols.
Azov soldiers have been observed wearing Nazi-associated symbols on their uniforms.[88] In 2014, the German ZDF television network showed images of Azov fighters wearing helmets with swastika symbols and "the SS runes of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps".[89] In 2015, Marcin Ogdowski, a Polish war correspondent, gained access to one of Azov's bases located in the former holiday resort Majak; Azov fighters showed to him Nazi tattoos as well as Nazi emblems on their uniforms.[90]
Shaun Walker writes in The Guardian that "many of [Azov's] members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials", citing swastika tattoos among the fighters and one who claimed to be a "national socialist".[82] According to The Daily Beast, some of the group's members are "neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and avowed anti-Semites",[56] and "numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias drawn on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations."[91]
Lev Golinkin writes in The Nation that "Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces."[92] Michael Colborne of Foreign Policy has called it "a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement" with "global ambitions", citing similarities between the group's ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[57]
A spokesman for the unit has said "only 10–20%" of its recruits are neo-Nazis, with one commander attributing neo-Nazi ideology to misguided youth.[16] Members of the unit have stated that the inverted Wolfsangel, rather than connected to Nazism, represents the Ukrainian words for "united nation"[82][46] or "national idea" (Ukrainian: Ідеја Nації, Ideya Natsii).[82][85][a]
British political scientist Richard Sakwa writes that Azov's founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about a "historic mission" to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen", an ideology he traces to the National Integralism of 1920s and 1930s.[93] Political scientist Ivan Katchanovski has compared the group's ideology to that of Patriot of Ukraine, saying: "The SNA/PU [Patriot of Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to ... members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation."[94]
In June 2015, the Canadian defence minister declared that Canadian forces would not provide training or support to Azov Battalion.[95] In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives also passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections. The House had previously passed amendments banning support of Azov between 2014 and 2017, but due to pressure from The Pentagon, the amendments were quietly lifted.[3][96][97] This was protested by the Simon Wiesenthal Center which stated that lifting the ban highlighted the danger of Holocaust distortion in Ukraine.[97]
Relation towards antisemitism
More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed the petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine arguing that Israel is selling military-style Tavor and Negev automatic weapons to the Ukrainian government knowing that some of these arms end up in the hands of right-wing, Azov militia.[98]
Despite accusations that the group is antisemitic, some members of the Jewish community in Ukraine support and serve in the Azov Battalion. One of its most prominent members is Nathan Khazin, leader of the "Jewish hundreds" during the 2013 Euromaidan protests in Kyiv.[99] In an interview, Andriy Biletsky explained that he regards Israel and Japan as role models for the development of Ukraine.[100]
Azov movement
Azov Civil Corps
In spring of 2015, veterans of the Azov volunteer battalion created the core of a non-military non-governmental organization Azov Civil Corps (Tsyvilnyi Korpus "Azov"), for the purpose of "political and social struggle",[101][22] associated with the National Corps political party. In 2016, members of Civil Corps Azov founded a social center "Cossack House" in Kyiv.[citation needed]
National Corps political party
Main article: National Corps
In September 2016, founder and former commander of the Azov Battalion Andriy Biletsky said that he would be leading a new political party.[25] In early October 2016, Biletsky stated that the new party would use neither names nor symbols of the Azov Battalion.[102] On 14 October 2016, this political party called National Corps (Natsionalnyi Korpus) held its first congress.[22][103] There delegates elected Biletsky to head the party for the next four years.[22] National Corps is based on the national social organization "Patriot of Ukraine" (Patriot Ukrainy, before 2015 named "Civic Movement Honest Business", Chesni Spravy),[104][22] which was already registered by the Ministry of Justice.[22]
The party advocates expanding the powers of the President of Ukraine by granting him authority to be the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as well as the head of government.[22] National Corps favors restoring Ukraine's nuclear power status and nationalizing enterprises which were government owned when Ukraine became independent in 1991.[22] The party wants Ukraine to break all ties with Russia (diplomatic, trade and culture ties).[22] It is against Ukraine joining the European Union and against Ukraine joining NATO.[23] It wants to create the "Intermarium Union" with Baltic and Black Sea nations to include, among others, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Republic, and Slovakia.[22][23] The party advocates expanding the right to bear arms and initiate public discussion about restoring capital punishment in Ukraine for treason and the embezzlement of government funds by officials in excessive amounts.[22]
National Militia
In 2017, a paramilitary group called the National Militia (Natsionalni Druzhyny), closely linked to the Azov movement, was formed. Its stated aim is to assist law enforcement agencies, which is allowed under Ukrainian law, and it has conducted street patrols.[105][106] In March 2019, its membership was reportedly "in the low thousands".[107]
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Сигурно некој навива но повеќето гледаме од страна, не е така црно бел светот, секој ден луѓе гинат од бомби само сега ни се блиску па поемотивно реагираш. Еве ти хипотетичка аналогија на случувањата, замисли во Канада настапи економска криза, се појавуваат Кинези им даваат пари и почнуваат идеолошки да ги работат, следната влада у Канада е прокинески настроена, Кинезите им викаат ајде сега да влезете и во наш источен воен сојуз кој го формираме да се браниме од Америте, ќе ставиме и ракети на ваша граница со Америка се разбира превентивно, шо мислиш шо ќе направат Амери? Ти гарантирам дека ќе побрзаат да влезат воено во Канада нивните браќа за да ја ослободат од Кинеско влијание додека не потпишала членство у тој сојуз. Ќе има цивилни жртви али ќе мора да се помират со колатералната штета. За се тоа ќе се криви Кинезите кои за неколку милјарди успеваат да го дестабилизираат северноамерички континент и додека се водат борби у Канада они фино лепо за 3 дена со воздушни напади ќе го капитулираат и анексираат Тајван кој прај висок процент на чипови. Еве ги слушам амери викаат не смее да дозволиме Тајван да се анексира, чиповите, уште не сме оспособени сами да ги покриеме потребите. Значи не прават муабет за човекови права и колку жртви ќе има на Тајван и нивното право на самостојност туку чиповите.
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Мораше Путин да ги извади сите пиштоли пред преговорите знаејќи дека само така се добива позиција. И нуклеарки и све се билдање за повисока стартна позиција на преговори. Нуклеарна војна на никој не одговара, а најмалце на Кина. Стално останува мал процент на можност пошто е неурачунлив, али генерално мојата логика е таа. Украина нема што да бара у овој конфликт, западот исто така.
Па ако збориш за праведност, де објасни што се случува со странката која нема да испочитува склучен договор? Украина не го исполни договореното од Минск договорот, па по тебе каква правда треба?Зборам за тоа што е праведно, и тука ми е аналогијата со примерите. Ама кој да сфати.
Некој што направил срање пред тоа сеа сите треба да го злоупотребат истото под изговор кога они можат можеме и ние
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На Русија дури треба и да и се честита што сега за сега ја нема изорано Украина. САД кога влегуваат некаде, пепел прават од инфраструктура до илјадници цивилни и воени жртви. Русите изгледа дека ги опколуваат градовите, па ем инфраструктурата останува, ем луѓето.
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Ovie pregovori se samo opipuvanje teren, kje trae ova use.
A i mislam i na zapadot se tolku popaleni so ne mu ja kupuvaat nuklearnata prica. Se tesat deka blefira.
Па се знаете бре. Да не комуникацирате директно со господинот Путин.Иначе тој филмот на Путин со нуклеарната подготвеност е повеќе да испровоцира страв кај украинците, ма да ретко блефира
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Западот живее во комфорт зона 50 години, нема милитантна идеологија меѓу народот а има билдање на војска. Незнам за русиве ама со оглед на историјата, мислам ако ништо друго се спремни да гинат ко топовско месо. Секако не граѓаните на Москва и Санкт Петерсбург, али ова другово нема проблем за нов Сталинград. Притисокот со нападите ќе се зголемува се повеќе и повеќе и нема да има друг исход освен прифаќање на барањата на Русија. Има и политика и пари и све у приказнава, мислам дека не знаеме баш се. А ни се сервира страв како допуна од задњиве три години со пандемијава во заминување.
Зашто е диалектот на нашите баби и дедовци прибегани во Бугариjа да си го зачуват бугарското име. Вие си го именуваjте како си сакате. Има македонци, колко од нив се сметаат за нешто посебно различно од бугарите можеш да видиш на сите пописи спроведени во времето на демократиjата. Секако се е нивно право, колку и да са.
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Лично мислење, пандемијата и ова се тесно поврзани, многу предвидоа поголем воен конфликт ако пандемијата не вроди со посакуван резултат, доколку Путинчи го заврши ова брзо и не продолжи даље ондак следува Кина, ако и тоа заврши брзо ондак на ред е инвазија од ванземаљците, ќе гледаме како нло-а напаѓаат градови а после 100 години историјата ќе пишува дека НЛО-ата се наша технологија.