Единаесет години од бомбардирањето на Југославија

[праведен]

Еве го знамињата на државите кои учествуваат во неговиот развој.


Турција 100% ќе произведува од 2012 116 парчиња плус евентуално уште 34.

 

[fmi]

Еве го знамињата на државите кои учествуваат во неговиот развој.


Турција 100% ќе произведува од 2012 116 парчиња плус евентуално уште 34.

И што ако произведува? Дали произведуването на един вид авиони,ке и даде мок колкото на една нуклеарна држава со секакви видове ракети? Дали произведуването на един модел авион ке обезбеди енергиjна независност на државата?

 

[Human]

Еве го знамињата на државите кои учествуваат во неговиот развој.


Турција 100% ќе произведува од 2012 116 парчиња плус евентуално уште 34.

Очигледно е дека не се разбираш многу во авијација, особено техничкиот дел, а и немената на леталото погоре.

Како што спомна, Рускиот Т-50 е планиран за 2015, и треба да преставува авион од 5тата генерација, опремен со стелт технологија и карактеристики. Т-50 е машина која треба да му конкурира на Ф-22ката, со тоа што ќе биде подобар од него. (веќе првите симулации го покажаа тоа).
Значи Т-50 ни оддалеку не може да се споредува со Ф-35, кој авион има подруги карактериситки и намена.

 

[One-1]

Ma kako ti Rusija breee Vie ovdeka so zelbi i so emocii diskutirate a ne so fakti A Human ti nemas aber od zivotot

не дека Македонците го сакаат Милошевиќ, туку постарите генерации сеуште ги чувствуваат Србите(и сите други екс-ју) како свои браќа, а за Милошевиќ не се замарај дека го сакаме, многу добро ја знаевме неговата идеологија

hahahahahahah:pos2::pos2: Se sekavam vo vremeto koga makedoncite kako magarinja jadoja kotek od seselovcite,i za Makedonija velea deka e Juzna Srbija,,makedoncite se juzni srbi so govorna mana:pos2:
Voislav Sesel mnogu gi sakase makedoncive hahahahaha:pos2:

 

[Let 3]

Ајде сите овде смартасови и хумани , едно прашање,
Дали муницијата со осиромашен ураниум е забранета со меѓународни конвенции ???

 

[One-1]

Jas povtorno se zablagoduvam na SAD Germanija i Turcija sto ne dozvolija Velika Srbija da ima na balkanot,so ova avtomatski se spasi i Kosovo i Makedonija

THANK YOU USA:smir:

THANK YOU TURKEY:smir:

THANK YOU GERMANY:smir:


AND

THANK YOU NATO

 

[smart ass]

Ајде сите овде смартасови и хумани , едно прашање,
Дали муницијата со осиромашен ураниум е забранета со меѓународни конвенции ???

ДА,ако ја прочиташ дефиницијата убаво.... еве ти од глобал рисрч

USING DU AS A WEAPON IS ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

Poison gas in various forms was first used as a weapon in WW I by both sides. It's effects were deadly causing well over 1million total casualties and nearly 100,000 deaths. After the war, the revulsion over their use led to the 1925 Geneva Protocol and other succeeding Geneva Weapons Conventions that specifically outlawed the use of chemical and biological agents in any form for any reason in war. The 1925 Geneva Convention Gas Protocol specifically prohibits the use of poison gas weapons. Although no Geneva Convention or other treaty bans the use of radioactive uranium weapons, including DU weapons, these weapons are, in fact, illegal de facto and de jure when judged by the standard of the Hague Convention of 1907 which prohibits use of any "poison or poisoned weapons." DU weapons in all their forms and uses are radioactive and chemically toxic, and thus clearly fit the definition of poisonous weapons banned under the Hague Convention. The U.S. is a signatory to the Hague and Geneva Conventions (which are binding treaties under international law). In using DU weapons in combat or for any purpose, the U.S. has violated its sacred treaty obligations and is guilty of a war crime. Further, all DU weapons also meet the U.S. federal code definition of "weapons of mass destruction" (WMD) in 2 out of 3 categories:

[The US CODE, TITLE 50, CHAPTER 40, SECTION 2302 defines a Weapon of Mass Destruction as follows: "The term 'weapon of mass destruction' means any weapon or device that is intended, or has the capability, to cause death or serious bodily injury to a significant number of people through the release, dissemination, or impact of (A) toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors, (B) a disease organism, or (C) radiation or radioactivity." Because the U.S. is a signatory to the Hague and Geneva Conventions, the U.S. military is violating its own military code. By using depleted uranium (which is clearly a WMD and thus illegal) in combat in 4 wars, the U.S. is clearly guilty of the very crime we claimed our right to go to war against Iraq to prevent.

In addition, under various UN Conventions and Covenants that are binding international law for its signatories, the use of any weapons that cause harm after the battle including away from the battlefield, harm the environment, or kill, wound or cause harm inhumanely are illegal and banned. DU weapons are poisonous under international law and violate all the above conditions. Even the seminal Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is legally non-binding to its signatories, implies a moral duty never to use any weapons as potentially harmful as DU.

KNOWN EFFECTS FROM DU USE THUS FAR - AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING, THE WORST IS YET TO COME

I'm very indebted to Leuren Moret for the data discussed throughohis article and below. Leuren is an independent scientist and internationally recognized expert on radiation, DU and public health. She's done extensive research on the environmental and public health effects of low level radiation from atmospheric testing fallout, nuclear power plants and DU weapons radiation in 42 countries, has written detailed reports and articles on her important findings, given testimony on the harmful affects of DU poisoning and is an outspoken critic of DU use. In an article she authored in July, 2004 she wrote: "The use of depleted uranium weaponry by the United States, defying all international treaties, will slowly annihilate all species on earth including the human species, and yet this country continues to do so with full knowledge of its destructive potential."

Leuren's work has revealed some shocking facts. Since the U.S. military first used DU weapons in the 1991 Gulf War, it has released the radioactive atomicity equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki nuclear bombs into the global atmosphere (that's no misprint) causing permanent contamination with a half-life of 4.5 billion years. Furthermore, that DU radiation is 10 times the amount released by all atmospheric testing which in total equaled 40,000 Hiroshima bombs (again, no misprint). The 2 atom bombs used against the Japanese killed a likely 300,000 or more people from the initial blasts and subsequent radiation and chemical poisoning deaths. To this day, there are still reported deaths attributed to the bombings. Now imagine the potential threat to all planetary life from all the DU weapons used since 1991 and their continued use in Iraq and Afghanistan - the equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki bombings and increasing daily as U.S. forces now are conducting 4 to 6 daily bombings of target sites in Iraq alone using DU bombs.

Leuren calls DU "The Trojan Horse of nuclear war - it keeps giving and keeps killing. There's no way to clean it up, and no way to turn it off because it continues to decay into other radioactive isotopes..." As it decays, it continues to release more radiation. DU when used as a weapon in war, as the U.S. has now done 4 times and continues to do so in Iraq and Afghanistan and intends to continue using, is Stanley Kubrick's fictional Doomsday Machine for real (from his 1964 film Dr. Strangelove). DU may be the ultimate weapon of mass annihilation. Unless there's a mass worldwide public awakening to this threat to demand an immediate end to its use for any purpose, we're left with little more than the message from the subtitle of the Kubrick film - stop worrying and love the bomb--and likely prepare to die.

The greatest damage from DU comes from the radiation residue after its use. When a DU weapon strikes a target, it penetrates deeply and aerosolizes into a fine spray which then contaminates the air and soil around the target area. The residue is permanent, and its microscopic and submicroscopic particles remain suspended in air or are swept into the air from the tainted soil and are carried by winds around the earth as a radioactive component of atmospheric dust. That dust falls to earth indiscriminately everywhere causing radiation contamination that affects every living thing and cannot be remediated. The contamination causes virtually every known illness and disease from severe headaches, muscle pain and general fatigue, to major birth defects, infection, depression, cardiovascular disease, many types of cancer and brain tumors. It also causes permanent disability and death. In June, 2003, the World Health Organization (WHO), without specific reference to DU, announced in a press release that global cancer rates will increase by 50% by 2020. WHO is usually conservative in its estimates. Might they believe things are potentially far worse? And are they closely examining the effects of DU to those in combat areas where these weapons are and have been used?

 

[smart ass]

Those individuals (military and civilian) at or near target areas are most immediately affected by DU contamination, especially if they remain there for an extended time. During the 6 week 1991 Gulf war only 467 U.S. personnel were wounded and about 150 killed. Out of the 580,000 military personnel who served in that war, 325,000 were reported to be on permanent medical disability by the year 2000. It was also reported then the number was increasing by 43,000 each year. In fact, the annual increases were even greater, and by 2004 the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (the VA) reported over 518,000 Gulf-era veterans to be on medical disability. It also reported over 500,000 veterans were homeless. Studies were also done on veterans whose wives had normal babies before the war. It reported two-thirds of post-war births of those studied had severe birth defects, such as missing brains, eyes, legs and arms and blood diseases.

There are already scattered early reports of DU caused health problems from the current Iraq conflict (and probably Afghanistan) as well as an above normal rate of still active duty military and veteran suicide and family violence. As deployments in the current conflict are much longer than the short Gulf war and most serving go back for a second or even third tour of duty, it's easy to imagine a literal holocaust that will eventually devastate all military and other personnel who have or are now serving or will serve in Iraq and the region. And it likely will have a similar effect on the wives and husbands of veterans and their post-service offspring. Once again it must be emphasized. The U.S. government prior to 1991 had full knowledge of the devastating effects DU would cause and still used it, still does and still intends to keep using it. Beyond belief? You bet. If someone wrote this as a work of fiction or science fiction, no one would believe it, and probably no one would publish it.



DU USED AS WEAPONS - A WILLFUL ACT OF GENOCIDE

From its use already in 4 wars, the use of DU weapons is an act of insanity as well as possibly the greatest ever crime against humanity (and all other living species) and a war crime. Those responsible include 3 presidents, scores of high government officials and the Pentagon high command to include a lot of generals and admirals. These people are criminals. They're guilty of mass murder without end. They all should be made to answer for their crimes through indictment and trials both in our federal courts and at the International Criminal Court (ICC) at the Hague which was established in 2002 to try individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. These people, or at least most of them, are guilty of all three crimes and should pay the highest price for them with no leniency. Their convictions should once and for all serve as a reminder to all future leaders that this type reckless behavior will never again be tolerated.

Nobel laureate Harold Pinter, a distinguished author and man of great honor, passion and eloquence, in his 2005 acceptance speech made these comments about the current Iraq war. Too ill with cancer, he was unable to travel to Oslo for the award ceremony and instead read his comments on videotape. Pinter is a sharp critic of the Iraq war and the U.S. and his U.K. government's role in it. In his Nobel award address he called the invasion of Iraq a "bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law." He stressed "the United States no longer bothers about low intensity conflict. It no longer sees any point in being reticent or even devious......It quite simply doesn't give a damn about the United Nations, international law or critical dissent, which it regards as impotent and irrelevant."

Pinter is right, and he said much more in his 46 minute acceptance speech. He also could have added the Bush administration since 9/11/01 has governed recklessly and arrogantly. With obsessive secrecy and contempt for the Constitution, the Congress, the courts and the U.S. public, George Bush has governed by Executive Order or Decree, a tool of tyrants when used to excess as this president has. He's done it to pursue a policy of permanent imperial war for U.S. global domination. The tragedy of 9/11 aside, the Bush administration created a fear-induced sham world terrorist threat to fight a so-called "global war on terrorism" for decades to come. It also created a near police state at home with baseless mass roundups, illegal detentions and deportations as part of a racist war against dark-skinned immigrants, illegal warrantless domestic spying and systemic use of torture of those detained and those held in offshore prisons and "renditioned" to mostly unnamed countries tolerating this practice. The Bush administration did all this based on a foundation of willful deception, deceit, and endless web of lies, and an utter contempt for political, economic and social justice at home and abroad and the rule of law.

Until recent months, Bush has gotten away with it all. Now with his poll numbers plummeting, the Iraq war a hopeless quagmire (despite the disinformation to the contrary), the possibility of further high level administration officials being indicted beside Lewis Libby along with the potentially huge political and financial Jack Abramoff corruption scandal, and the Democrats and some Republicans finally stirring and expressing their ire, the administration may be nearing its Waterloo. Like many other regimes in the past guilty of imperial arrogance and overreach (like the last one that tried - the Nazis - and thought they'd rule for 1000 years but only lasted 12) this administration and its reckless and heartless agenda may meet a similar fate.

Great thinkers and perceptive observers have ventured to guess what our fate may be as a result of our actions. Without predicting it, Noam Chomsky in a recent talk cited the worst of all possible outcomes - a nuclear holocaust, environmental destruction or the end of even nominal democracy.


They might also consider the 104 current operating commercial nuclear power plants in the U.S. They're all dangerous, but especially the aging ones. Every one is a potential unstable nuclear bomb and possible disaster waiting to happen, either from an inevitable accident or from sabotage. Responsible experts believe it's just a matter of time before a major nuclear disaster occurs somewhere in the world, possibly or even likely a full nuclear core meltdown - the worst possible kind of nuclear catastrophe other than a nuclear or thermonuclear explosion or widespread use of DU weapons.

If a core meltdown happened (or more likely when one happens), a vast area would be contaminated and made uninhabitable forever. Where I live in Chicago I'm surrounded by 11 nuclear power plants, many of them aging and all of them with histories of safety violations caused by aging and shoddy maintenance. Even without an accident, these facilities (and all others everywhere) discharge enough radiation daily in their normal operations to contaminate the food we eat (even organic food), the water we drink and the air we breathe into our lungs. If one of these plants had a core meltdown and metropolitan Chicago was downwind from the fallout, the city and suburbs alone would become uninhabitable forever and would have to be evacuated quickly with all possessions left behind and lost (including our homes) except for what we could carry in suitcases or in the trunks of our cars. Everyone should thus ask the obvious question - is this kind of insane "nuclear Russian roulette" risk worth taking? There are much cleaner, safer alternatives available or that can be developed, if we'd just be willing to invest heavily in alternative energy sources other than the nuclear option and fossil fuels. There are also common sense ways to practice conservation, without significantly impeding our western lifestyle.

Up to now, our leaders have been irresponsible and derelict in their duty to inform us of the risk and act responsibly to remove it to protect us from potential harm. They've also shown no restraint in their actions or respect for the people in countries we seek to dominate. Those countries are never the developed ones in the Global North with the power to respond. They're always weak, less developed and overexploited ones, usually with darker skinned people and a non Judeo-Christian faith. In this country, especially without a draft and with few good career opportunities for the poor and underprivileged, military service with the promise of education and other benefits (that most inductees never get) becomes the temporary career choice of expedience. The rich and well-off only wage the wars but don't fight in them. Instead they send the poor to fight and die for them to make them richer. When our Vietnam era military came home sick and dying from the toxic effects of Agent Orange (highly toxic dioxin), Henry Kissinger, a Nobel Peace prize recipient and accused war criminal, arrogantly insulted them all when he called them "just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." Used, abused and discarded like worn out shoes. Kissinger's past has come back to haunt him. Before travelling abroad now, he must check with the State Department to be sure there are no warrants out for his arrest.

The world today is closer to the tipping point than ever before. We may, in fact, have passed it and it's already too late. The price we've paid for our technological advances has been an equal growth in the threat to our survival. Up to now we've found no way to end this destructive path. We're fast running out of time, and unless we do it and soon, we may not get another chance. The U.S. today is like a giant Gulliver Agonistes and the rest of the world like the Lilliputians - in Jonathan Swift's classic satire. Despite the mismatch, the Lilliputans (who stood 6 inches high) were able to tie down this giant and prevent him from wrecking their homes. In the end, they got Gulliver to leave and were able to go on with their lives. The lesson is clear. People everywhere need to understand the great peril we all face - our survival. Then, like the Lilliputians, we need to hog-tie this out-of-control predatory Gulliver to save ourselves.

Two final thoughts to consider - the first one from Dr. Helen Caldicott, president of the Nuclear Policy Research Institute, an expert on the medical hazards of nuclear energy, author, activist and Nobel Peace Prize nominee from her 1978 book Nuclear Madness (updated in 1994): "As a physician, I contend nuclear technology (military and commercial) threatens life on our planet with extinction. If present trends continue (and they have and have gotten worse), the air we breathe, the food we eat, and the water we drink will soon be contaminated with enough radioactive pollutants to pose a potential health hazard far greater than any plague humanity has ever experienced."

The second is from the great British journalist, Robert Fisk from his year end London Independent column entitled War Without End: "Only justice, not bombs, can make our dangerous world a safer place."[/QUOTE]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1754

П.С Побарај артикл 23 од женевска конвенција-и таму САД го прекршуваат односно прават воен злостор.

Нејсе оно сеуште немаат потпишано забрана за употреба на напалм врз цивили....

 

[Let 3]

Не си ме разбрал, значи дали со некоја меѓународна конвенција е забранета употреба на муниција со осиромашен уранијум.
Муницијата со осиромашен уранијум не е во категорија на радиоактивни оружја.
По твое и сите куршуми треба да се забранат оти имаат езгро од олово а кое во одредемна концентрација е отровна за човек и може да предизвика болести....
Муницијата со осиромашен ураниум преставува средство за пробивање на оклоп. Ако некој војник биде погоден со 30мм проектил со осиромашен ураниум тој нема да умре од рак , сигурно.
А и зрно кое зрачи 40% од природен ураниум не знам како би се ставило во катекорија на нуклеарно (атомско) оружје.

Е да уште на крај да ми кажеш дали Русија и Кина се потписници на декларација за забрана на муниција со осиромашен ураниум ??

 

[oon]

Smart ass дали србите имат право да ги тужат американците германците и турците?????????? Заради Осиромашениот ураниум........

Јас да бев Србија ќе ги тужев
Ама незнам дали имаат право???

 

[Let 3]

Smart ass дали србите имат право да ги тужат американците германците и турците?????????? Заради Осиромашениот ураниум........

Јас да бев Србија ќе ги тужев
Ама незнам дали имаат право???

А за што да тужи кога таква муниција НЕ Е забранета по меѓународни конвенции и таква муниција има и Кина и Русија и Америка.
Тука Америка може да ја тужи Србија да и го плати испорачаниот осиромашен ураниум.

 

[oon]

А за што да тужи кога таква муниција НЕ Е забранета по меѓународни конвенции и таква муниција има и Кина и Русија и Америка.
Тука Америка може да ја тужи Србија да и го плати испорачаниот осиромашен ураниум.

Значи ти ги оправдуваш овие операциите што беа направени во 1999 од страна на (САД Германија и Турција) Ама не ми е јасно нешто?? Зошто овие земји користеа ураниум? Без ураниум неможеше да се направи воздушни напади??? А и ова не треба да се заборави,дека ООН-Обединети Нации беја против НАТО операциите за во Југославија.

 

[Горан Маневски]

И јас ги оправдувам нападите, нив убаво им беше да прават масакри во Босна, Хрватска итн итн...?

 

[Let 3]

Значи ти ги оправдуваш овие операциите што беа направени во 1999 од страна на (САД Германија и Турција) Ама не ми е јасно нешто?? Зошто овие земји користеа ураниум? Без ураниум неможеше да се направи воздушни напади??? А и ова не треба да се заборави,дека ООН-Обединети Нации беја против НАТО операциите за во Југославија.

Обединетите нации беа и против српските ракетирања на Загреб, опсадата и гранатирање на цивили во Сараево, масакрите во Сребреница, Вуковар, етничкото чистење на Косово...
Не почна конфликтот на Балканот 99та туку ЗАВРШИ.
а на почеток на 90 сетите тргнаа колони тенкови, транспортери и војска од Београд кон Словенија, Хрватска, Босна.

 

[demmian]

Значи ти ги оправдуваш овие операциите што беа направени во 1999 од страна на (САД Германија и Турција) Ама не ми е јасно нешто?? Зошто овие земји користеа ураниум? Без ураниум неможеше да се направи воздушни напади??? А и ова не треба да се заборави,дека ООН-Обединети Нации беја против НАТО операциите за во Југославија.

Србија рано или касно мораше да плати заради своите хегемонистички апетити,како и за масакрирањето на илјадници цивили во Хрватска,Босна,Косово...