OSHO

[Gurdjieff]

Не не мислев на тоа, телото спие, умот сонува, а ти си сведок на тоа, значи ти веќе не си тоа, не си телото ниту умот, ти не си, не си во смисла каков што до тогаш си мислел дека си, ти си една суптилна безформна празнина, простор, кој во овој момент е заспан и мисли дека е телото и умот, посебно умот бидејки повеќе се индификуваме со него отколку со телото, дури и не го приметуваме телото, затоа кога ке стануваш посвесен прво ке почнеш да бидеш посензитивен за сите процеси во телото и во умот, и на крај ке останеш да го набљудуваш дури и спиењето, е тогаш се кршат сите граници и може птицата да ги рашири и двете крила(јинг и јанг) и да одлета во слободата на безграничното ништо(се).

Ocigledno e deka ne razbirate kako funkcionira coveckata "mashina"
--- надополнето: 21 мај 2012 во 12:17 ---

Аииии.... ама си ме разбрал... ај ке пробам да конкретизирам, заборави што сум пишал... значи прво ке те прашам дали знаеш што си ти во суштината?
Е сеа според мене, значи испитај си не ми веруј, ние сме свест, сведоци на се што се случува, а тој сведок е и празен, он не е мисла, не е емоција, не е предмет... но затоа е сведокот на сите тие нешта, тој е центарот на ураганот, а центарот на ураганот сам од себе не може да биде допрен од ураганот, работата е што ние се индентификуваме со ураганот а го забораваме центарот кој е празен(но во исто време полн со празнина) знам дека малце е контрадикторно но таква е реалноста, јинг е контрадикторен на јанг нели, може и вака да се објасни имаш океан и имаш бранови во океанот, кога има бран тој бран привидно се одвојува од целината и мисли дека е пасебен, одвоен, но во суштината е океанот, ние како луѓе сме бранови во постоењето и мислиме дака сме оделени од постоењето, но не е така, и те како сме едно со самата егзистенција, но во суштина за да постои таа егзистенција материјална наречија(нејќам да одвојувам материјално и нематеријално бидејки и не се одвоени али нема везе) мора да има непостоење кое е и таа празнина(празна но полно со потенцијална реалност) ако ме свати да продолжам...
Во главно ние сме толку многу заспани што се оставаме на механичкиот дел од нас да превземе контрола, а ни мислиме дека така ке можеме да одвоиме време за подлабоко размислување и полесна работа во текот на денот, но не е така, најчесто сме изгубени и во мислите и во работата, едноставно не нема, ги има мислите ја има работата, но не нема нас, е ако сакаш да ја спознаеш вистината ке мораш ти да се појавиш, врв во тоталноста на набљудувањето е да го набљудуваш и спиењето, значи телото спие, но ти како неуморен стражар го чуваш и набљудуваш, остануваш свесен и нема сонови повеќе и да има тие се во умот или поубаво кажано тие се умот и бидејки нема да се идентификуваш и нема да потиснуваш ништо преку дента полека ќе исчезнат и соновите, нема да има потреба ниту пак можност тие да се појават бидејки самите се мисли во сликовита форма, а кога ќе бидеш свесен нема мисли( не дека не можеш да мислиш туку ке мислиш само кога ти ќе сакаш).
Ако ме свати ако не јбг...

Mozeme da komplicirame kolku sakame...i uragan, i srceto na uraganot, i jang i jing,...itn, itn...
Osnovno e deka sme "zaspani" i deka sme izgubeni vo mislite vo tekot na denot i ednostavno ne nema(potpolno se slagam so tebe tuka).......i ne mislish samo koga ti sakash, nego mislish koga ima potreba za toa....

 

[OSHO-Lover]

Ocigledno e deka ne razbirate kako funkcionira coveckata "mashina"
--- надополнето: 21 мај 2012 во 12:17 ---

Mozeme da komplicirame kolku sakame...i uragan, i srceto na uraganot, i jang i jing,...itn, itn...
Osnovno e deka sme "zaspani" i deka sme izgubeni vo mislite vo tekot na denot i ednostavno ne nema(potpolno se slagam so tebe tuka).......i ne mislish samo koga ti sakash, nego mislish koga ima potreba za toa....

Абе види јас добро си ја познавам мојата машина, но и не сум до толку навлезен да давам совети за туѓи машини затоа и само мое мислење си давам бидејки иако слични секоја машина си има посебни цаки.
за болдираново знаев дека некој ке се фати за ова, и додека го пишував сакав да ги нагласам двете, али нема везе бидејки и да има потреба од умот ти можда нема да сакаш да го употребиш

 

[OSHO-Lover]

"WHEN IN SUCH EMBRACE YOUR SENSES ARE SHAKEN AS LEAVES, ENTER
THIS SHAKING."
When in such embrace, in such deep communion with the beloved or the lover, your
senses are shaken as leaves, enter this shaking. We have even become afraid: while
making love you do not allow your bodies to move much, because if your bodies are
allowed much movement the sex act spreads all over your body. You can control it when
it is localized at the sex center. The mind can remain in control. When it spreads all over
your body, you cannot control it. You may start shaking, you may start screaming, and
you will not be able to control your body once the body takes over.
We suppress movements. Particularly, all over the world, we suppress all movements, all
shaking for women. They remain just like dead bodies. You are doing something to them;
they are not doing anything to you.
They are just passive partners. Why is this happening? Why all over the world do men
suppress women in such a way? There is fear -- because once a woman's body becomes
possessed, it is very difficult for a man to satisfy her: because a woman can have chain
orgasms; a man cannot have. A man can have only one orgasm; a woman can have chain
orgasms. There are cases of multiple orgasms reported. Any woman can have at least
three orgasms in a chain, but man can have only one. And with man's orgasm, the woman
is aroused and is ready for further orgasms. Then it is difficult. Then how to manage it?
She needs another man immediately, and group sex is a taboo. All over the world we
have created monogamous societies. We seem to feel that it is better to suppress the
woman. So, really, eighty to ninety percent of women never know what orgasm is. They
can give birth to children; that is another thing. They can satisfy the man; that is also
another thing. But they themselves are never satisfied. So if you see such bitterness in
women all over the world -- sadness, bitterness, frustration -- it is natural. Their basic
need is not fulfilled.
Shaking is just wonderful because when you shake in your sex act the energy starts
flowing all over the body, the energy vibrates all over the body. Every cell of the body is
involved then. Every cell becomes alive because every cell is a sex cell.
When you were born, two sex cells met and your being was created, your body was
created, those two sex cells are everywhere in your body. They have multiplied and
multiplied and multiplied, but your basic unit remains the sex cell. When you shake all
over your body, it is not only a meeting of you with your beloved. Within your body also,
each cell is meeting with the opposite cell. This shaking shows it. It will look animal-like,
but man IS an animal and there is nothing wrong in it.
This second sutra says, "WHEN IN SUCH EMBRACE YOUR SENSES ARE SHAKEN
AS LEAVES..." A great wind is blowing and a tree is shaking. Even the roots are
shaking, every leaf is shaking. Just be like a tree. A great wind is blowing, and sex IS a
great wind -- a great energy blowing through you. Shake! Vibrate! Allow every cell of
your body to dance, and this should be for both. The beloved is also dancing, every cell
vibrating. Only then can you both meet, and then that meeting is not mental. It is a
meeting of your bio-energies.
Enter this shaking, and while shaking don't remain aloof. Don't be a spectator, because
mind is the spectator. Don't stand aloof! Be the shaking, become the shaking. Forget
everything and become the shaking. It is not that your body is shaking: it is YOU, your
whole being. You become the shaking itself. Then there are not two bodies, two minds.
In the beginning, there are two shaking energies, and in the end just a circle -- not two.
What will happen in this circle? One, you will be part of an existential force -- not a
societal mind, but an existential force. You will be part of the whole cosmos. In that
shaking you will be part of the whole cosmos. That moment is of great creation. You are
dissolved as solid bodies. You have become liquid -- flowing into each other. The mind is
lost, the division is lost. You have a oneness.
This is ADVAITA, this is non-duality. And if you cannot feel this non-duality, then all
the philosophies of non-duality are useless. They are just words. Once you know this
non-dual existential moment, then only can you understand the Upanishads. Then only
you can understand the mystics -- what they are talking about when they talk of a Cosmic
oneness, a wholeness. Then you are not separate from the world, not alien to it. Then the
existence becomes your home. And with that feeling that "Now I am at home in the
existence," all worries are lost. Then there is no anguish, no struggle, no conflict. This is
what Lao Tzu calls Tao, what Shankara calls ADVAITA. You can choose your own
word for it, but through a deep love embrace it is easy to feel it. But be alive, shaking,
and become the shaking itself.
--- надополнето: 22 мај 2012 во 08:54 ---
"EVEN REMEMBERING UNION, WITHOUT THE EMBRACE, THE
TRANSFORMATION!"
Once you know this, even the partner is not needed.
You can simply remember the act and enter into it. But first you must have the feeling. If
you know the feeling, you can enter into the act without the partner. This is a little
difficult, but it happens. And unless it happens, you go on being dependent, a dependency
is created. For so many reasons it happens. If you have had the feeling, if you have
known the moment when you were not there but only a vibrating energy had become one
and there was a circle with the partner, in that moment there was no partner. In that
moment only you are, and for the partner you are not: only he or she is. That oneness is
centered within you; the partner is no more there. And it is easier for women to have this
feeling because they are always making love with closed eyes.
During this technique, it is good if you have your eyes closed. Then only an inner feeling
of a circle, only an inner feeling of oneness, is there. Then just remember it. Close your
eyes; lie down as if you are with your partner. Just remember and start feeling it. Your
body will begin to shake and vibrate. Allow it! Forget completely that the other is not
there. Move as if the other is present. Only in the beginning is it "as if." Once you know,
then it is not "as if," then the other is there.
Move as if you are actually going into the love act. Do whatsoever you would have done
with your partner. Scream, move, shake.
Soon the circle will be there, and this circle is miraculous. Soon you will feel that the
circle is created, but now this circle is not created with a man and woman. If you are man,
then the whole universe has become woman; if you are woman, then the whole universe
has become man. Now you are in a deep communion with the existence itself, and the
door, the other, is no more there.
The other is simply a door. While making love to a woman, you are really making love to
existence itself. The woman is just a door, the man is just a door. The other is just a door
for the whole, but you are in such a hurry you never feel it. If you remain in communion,
in deep embrace for hours together, you will forget the other and the other will just
become an extension of the whole. Once this technique is known you can use it alone,
and when you can use it alone it gives you a new freedom -- freedom from the other.
It really happens that the whole existence becomes the other -- your beloved, your lover
-- and then this technique can be used continuously, and one can remain in constant
communion with the existence. And then you can do it in other dimensions also. Walking
in the morning, you can do it. Then you are in communion with the air, with the rising
sun and the stars and the trees. Staring at the stars in the night, you can do it. Looking at
the moon, you can do it. You can be in the sex act with the whole universe once you
know how it happens.
But it is good to start with human beings because they are nearest to you -- the nearest
part of the universe. But they are dispensable. You can take a jump and forget the door
completely -- "EVEN REMEMBERING UNION, THE TRANSFORMATION" -- and
you WILL be transformed, you will become new.
Tantra uses sex as a vehicle. It is energy; it can be used as a vehicle. It can transform you,
and it can give you transcendental states. But as we are using sex, it looks difficult for us
-- because we are using it in a very wrong way, and the wrong way is not natural. Even
animals are better than us: they are using it in a natural way. Our ways are perverted.
Constant hammering on the human mind that sex is sin has created a deep barrier within
you. You never allow yourself a total let-go. Something is always standing aloof
condemning, even for the new generation. They may say they are not burdened, obsessed,
that sex is not a taboo for them, but you cannot unburden your unconscious so easily. It
has been built over centuries and centuries; the whole human past is there. So while you
may not be condemning it as sin consciously, the unconscious is there constantly
condemning it. You are never totally in it. Something is always left out. That left-out part
creates the split.
Tantra says move in it totally. Just forget yourself, your civilization, your religion, your
culture, your ideology.
Forget everything. Just move in the sex act: move in it totally; do not leave anything out.
Become absolutely non-thinking. Only then does the awareness happen that you have
become one with someone. And this feeling of oneness can then be detached from the
partner and it can be used with the whole universe. You can be in a sex act with a tree,
with the moon, with anything. Once, you know how to create this circle, it can be created
with anything -- even without anything.
You can create this circle within yourself because man is both man and woman, and
woman is both woman and man. You are both because you were created by two, You
were created by man and woman both, so half of you remains the other. You can forget
everything completely, and the circle can be created within you. Once the circle is
created within you -- your man is meeting your woman, the inner woman is meeting the
inner man -- you are in an embrace within yourself. And only when this circle is created
is real celibacy attained. Otherwise all celibacies are just perversions, and then they
create their own problems. When this circle is created inside, you are freed.
This is what tantra says: "Sex is the deepest bondage, yet it can be used as a vehicle for
the highest freedom." Tantra says poison can be used as medicine, but wisdom is needed.
So do not condemn anything. Rather, use it. And do not be against anything.
Find out ways how it can be used and transformed. Tantra is a deep, total acceptance of
life. It is the only approach of its kind. All over the world, in all the centuries that have
gone by, tantra is unique. It says don't throw anything and don't be against anything and
don't create any conflict, because with any conflict you will be destructive with yourself.
All the religions are against sex, afraid of it, because it is such a great energy. Once you
are in it you are no more, and then the current will take you anywhere. That is why the
fear. So create a barrier in which you and the current become two, and do not allow this
vital energy to have any possession over you: be the master of it.
Only tantra says that this mastery is going to be false, diseased, pathological, because you
cannot really be divided with this current. You are it! So all divisions will be false,
arbitrary, and basically, no division is possible because you are the current -- a part and
parcel of it, just a wave in it. You can become frozen and you can separate yourself from
the current, but that frozenness will be deadness. And humanity has become dead. No one
is really alive; you are just dead weights floating in the stream. Melt!
Tantra says try to melt. Do not become like icebergs: melt and become one with the river.
Becoming one with the river, feeling one with the river, merging in the river, be aware
and there will be transformation.
There IS transformation. Transformation is not through conflict; it is through awareness.
These three techniques are very, very scientific, but then sex becomes something other
than what you know. Then it is not a temporary relief; then it is not throwing energy out.
Then there is no end to it. It becomes a meditative circle.

 

[Gurdjieff]

Абе види јас добро си ја познавам мојата машина, но и не сум до толку навлезен да давам совети за туѓи машини затоа и само мое мислење си давам бидејки иако слични секоја машина си има посебни цаки.
за болдираново знаев дека некој ке се фати за ова, и додека го пишував сакав да ги нагласам двете, али нема везе бидејки и да има потреба од умот ти можда нема да сакаш да го употребиш

E dobro de,nema potreba od lutenje,namerno bev malku provokativen,da te nateram da procitash neshto od G.
Odamna trazam nekoj koj ke go razbere uvcenjeto na G. za da mozam da razmenam nekoe mislenje vo vrska so toa.
Ako znaesh kako funcionira tvojta "mashina" ke gi razberesh i site drugi.

 

[OSHO-Lover]

E dobro de,nema potreba od lutenje,namerno bev malku provokativen,da te nateram da procitash neshto od G.
Odamna trazam nekoj koj ke go razbere uvcenjeto na G. za da mozam da razmenam nekoe mislenje vo vrska so toa.
Ako znaesh kako funcionira tvojta "mashina" ke gi razberesh i site drugi.

Абе да али сепак има пробудени луѓе мистици, а има и мастери е разликата е што мастерите знаат како управува машината на секој човек што ќе дојде кај нив и знаат како да го пробудат истиот, е сеа ова го дадов како пример не дека сум мистик камо ли мастер али сепак работам на случајот Инаку не се лутам јас а и прифаќам провокации, но за читање на Г не дека нејќам да го читам туку во последно време немам многу време затоа, но ќе го прочитам кога тогаш не дека не сум читал ништо од него али малце е?
Поздрав

 

[Gurdjieff]

Абе да али сепак има пробудени луѓе мистици, а има и мастери е разликата е што мастерите знаат како управува машината на секој човек што ќе дојде кај нив и знаат како да го пробудат истиот, е сеа ова го дадов како пример не дека сум мистик камо ли мастер али сепак работам на случајот Инаку не се лутам јас а и прифаќам провокации, но за читање на Г не дека нејќам да го читам туку во последно време немам многу време затоа, но ќе го прочитам кога тогаш не дека не сум читал ништо од него али малце е?
Поздрав

Dobar izgovor...-nemam vreme-
Procitaj go G. pa ke svatish deka covek sekogash ima vreme za toa shto saka i po sekoja cena.
Umot e zaebana stvar,......sekogash ke izmisli zoshto da ne vlozi "trud"

 

[OSHO-Lover]

Dobar izgovor...-nemam vreme-
Procitaj go G. pa ke svatish deka covek sekogash ima vreme za toa shto saka i po sekoja cena.
Umot e zaebana stvar,......sekogash ke izmisli zoshto da ne vlozi "trud"

Во право си

 

[OSHO-Lover]

"OH LOTUS-EYED ONE, SWEET OF TOUCH, WHEN SINGING, SEEING,
TASTING, BE AWARE YOU ARE AND DISCOVER THE EVERLIVING."
We are living, but we are not aware that we are or that we are living. There is no selfremembering.
You are eating or you are taking a bath or you are taking a walk: you are
not aware that you are while walking. Everything is, only you are not.
The trees, the houses, the traffic, everything is. You are aware of everything around you,
but you are not aware of your own being -- that you are. You may be aware of the whole
world, but if you are not aware of yourself that awareness is false. Why? Because your
mind can reflect everything, but your mind cannot reflect you. If you are aware of
yourself, then you have transcended the mind.
Your self-remembering cannot be reflected in your mind because you are behind the
mind. It can reflect only things which are in front of it. You can just see others, but you
cannot see yourself. Your eyes can see everyone, but your eyes cannot see themselves. If
you want to see yourself you will need a mirror. Only in the mirror can you see yourself,
but then you will have to stand in front of the mirror. If your mind is a mirror, it can
reflect the whole world. It cannot reflect you because you cannot stand before it. You are
always behind, hidden behind the mirror.
This technique says while doing anything -- singing, seeing, tasting -- be aware that you
are and discover the ever-living, and discover within yourself the current, the energy, the
life, the ever-living. But we are not aware of ourselves.
Gurdjieff used self-remembering as a basic technique in the West. The self-remembering
is derived from this sutra. The whole Gurdjieffian system is based on this one sutra.
Remember yourself, whatsoever you are doing. It is very difficult. It looks very easy, but
you will go on forgetting. Even for three or four seconds you cannot remember yourself.
You will have a feeling that you are remembering, and suddenly you will have moved to
some other thought. Even with this thought that "Okay, I am remembering myself," you
will have missed, because this thought is not self-remembering. In self-remembering
there will be no thought; you will be completely empty. And self-remembering is not a
mental process. It is not that you say, "Yes, I am." Saying "Yes, I am," you have missed.
This is a mind thing, this is a mental process: "I am."
Feel "I am," not the words "I am." Don't verbalize, just feel that you are. Don't think,
FEEL! Try it. It is difficult, but if you go on insisting it happens. While walking,
remember you are, and have the feeling of your being, not of any thought, not of any
idea. Just feel. I touch your hand or I put my hand on your head: don't verbalize. Just feel
the touch, and in that feeling feel not only the touch, but feel also the touched one. Then
your consciousness becomes double-arrowed.
You are walking under trees: the trees are there, the breeze is there, the sun is rising. This
is the world all around you; you are aware of it. Stand for a moment and suddenly
remember that you are, but don't verbalize. Just feel that you are.
This nonverbal feeling, even if for only a single moment, will give you a glimpse -- a
glimpse which no LSD can give you, a glimpse which is of the real. For a single moment
you are thrown back to the center of your being. You are behind the mirror; you have
transcended the world of reflections; you are existential. And you can do it at any time. It
doesn't need any special place or any special time. And you cannot say, "I have no time."
When eating you can do it, when taking a bath you can do it, when moving or sitting you
can do it -- anytime. No matter what you are doing, you can suddenly remember yourself,
and then try to continue that glimpse of your being.
It will be difficult. One moment you will feel it is there, the next moment you will have
moved away. Some thought will have entered, some reflection will have come to you,
and you will have become involved in the reflection. But don't be sad and don't be
disappointed. This is so because for lives together we have been concerned with the
reflections. This has become a robot-like mechanism. Instantly, automatically, we are
thrown to the reflection. But if even for a single moment you have the glimpse, it is
enough for the beginning. And why is it enough? Because you will never get two
moments together. Only one moment is with you always. And if you can have the
glimpse for a single moment, you can remain in it. Only effort is needed -- a continuous
effort is needed.
A single moment is given to you. You cannot have two moments together, so don't worry
about two moments. You will always get only one moment. And if you can be aware in
one moment, you can be aware for your whole life. Now only effort is needed, and this
can be done the whole day. Whenever you remember, remember yourself.
"OH LOTUS-EYED ONE, SWEET OF TOUCH, WHEN SINGING, SEEING,
TASTING, BE AWARE YOU ARE, AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING:" When
the sutra says "Be aware you are", what will you do? Will you remember that, "My name
is Ram" or "Jesus" or something else? Will you remember that you belong to such and
such a family, to such and such a religion and tradition? To such and such a country and
caste and creed? Will you remember that you are a communist or a Hindu or a Christian?
What will you remember?
The sutra says be aware you are; it simply says "You are". No name is needed, no
country is needed. Let there be simple existence: you are! So don't say to yourself who
you are. Don't answer that, "I am this and that." Let there be simple existence, that you
are.
But it becomes difficult because we never remember simple existence. We always
remember something which is just a label, not existence itself. Whenever you think about
yourself, you think about your name, religion, country, many things, but never the simple
existence that you are.
You can practice this: relaxing in a chair or just sitting under a tree, forget everything and
feel this "you-areness."
No Christian, no Hindu, no Buddhist, no Indian, no Englishman, no German -- simply,
you are. Have the feeling of it, and then it will be easy for you to remember what this
sutra says: "BE AWARE YOU ARE, AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING." And the
moment you are aware that you are, you are thrown into the current of the ever-living.
The false is going to die; only the real will remain.
That is why we are so much afraid of death: because the unreal is going to die. The unreal
cannot be forever, and we are attached to the unreal, identified with the unreal. You as a
Hindu will have to die; you as Ram or Krishna will have to die; you as a communist, as
an atheist, as a theist, will have to die; you as a name and form will have to die. And if
you are attached to name and form, obviously the fear of death will come to you, but the
real, the existential, the basic in you, is deathless. Once the forms and names are
forgotten, once you have a look within to the nameless and the formless, you have moved
into the eternal.
"BE AWARE YOU ARE AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING": This technique is
one of the most helpful, and it has been used for millennia by many teachers, masters.
Buddha used it, Mahavira used it, Jesus used it, and in modern times Gurdjieff used it.
Among all the techniques, this is one of the most potential. Try it. It will take time;
months will pass.
When Ouspensky was learning with Gurdjieff, for three months he had to make much
effort, arduous effort, in order to have a glimpse of what self-remembering is.
So continuously, for three months, Ouspensky lived in a secluded house just doing only
one thing -- self-remembering. Thirty persons started that experiment, and by the end of
the first week twenty-seven had escaped; only three remained. The whole day they were
trying to remember -- not doing anything else, just remembering that "I am." Twentyseven
felt they were going crazy. They felt that now madness was just near, so they
escaped. They never turned back; they never met Gurdjieff again.
Why? As we are, really, we are mad. Not remembering who we are, what we are, we are
mad, but this madness is taken as sanity. Once you try to go back, once you try to contact
the real, it will look like craziness, it will look like madness. Compared to what we are, it
is just the reverse, the opposite. If you feel that this is sanity, that will look like madness.
But three persisted. One of the three was P. D. Ouspensky. For three months they
persisted. Only after the first month did they start having glimpses of simply being -- of
"I am." After the second month, even the "I" dropped, and they started having the
glimpses of "am-ness" -- of just being, not even of "I", because "I" is also a label. The
pure being is not "I" and "thou"; it just is.
And by the third month even the feeling of "am-ness" dissolved because that feeling of
am-ness is still a word. Even that word dissolves.
Then you are, and then you know what you are. Before that point comes you cannot ask,
"Who am I?" Or you can go on asking continuously, "Who am I?", just continuously
inquiring, "Who am I ? Who am I?", and all the answers that will be provided by the
mind will be found false, irrelevant. You go on asking, "Who am I? Who am I? Who am
I?" and a point comes where you can no more ask the question. All the answers fall
down, and then the question itself falls down and disappears. And when even the
question, "Who am I?" disappears, you know who you are.
Gurdjieff tried from one corner: just try to remember you are. Raman Maharshi tried
from another corner. He made it a meditation to ask, to inquire, "Who am I?" And don't
believe in any answers that the mind can supply. The mind will say, "What nonsense are
you asking? You are this, you are that, you are a man, you are a woman, you are educated
or uneducated, rich or poor." The mind will supply answers, but go on asking. Don't
accept any answer because all the answers given by the mind are false. They are from the
unreal part of you. They are coming from words, they are coming from scriptures, they
are coming from conditioning, they are coming from society, they are coming from
others. Go on asking. Let this arrow of "Who am I?" penetrate deeper and deeper. A
moment will come when no answer will come.
That is the right moment.
Now you are nearing the answer. When no answer comes, you are near the answer
because mind is becoming silent -- or you have gone far away from the mind. When there
will be no answer and a vacuum will be created all around you, your questioning will
look absurd. Whom are you questioning? There is no one to answer you. Suddenly, even
your questioning will stop. With the questioning, the last part of the mind has dissolved
because this question was also of the mind. Those answers were of the mind and this
question was also of the mind. Both have dissolved, so now YOU ARE.
Try this. There is every possibility, if you persist, that this technique can give you a
glimpse of the real -- and the real is ever-living.

 

[mindvision]

Цар е ОШО.

 

[OSHO-Lover]

Osho Quotes on Art and Creativity

1. The really creative person is not interested in dominating anybody. He is so utterly rejoicing in life — he wants to create, he wants to participate with God. Creativity is prayer. And whenever you create something, in those moments you are with God, you walk with God, you live in God. The more creative you are the more divine you are. To me, creativity is religion. Art is just the entrance to the temple of religion.
2. A really spiritual person will live life as an art, will create a deep harmony between the body and the consciousness. And this is the greatest art there is. His life will be a joy to see. And he will be fragrant, for the sheer reason that there is no split in his being. The very unity makes him organic; the wound of division is healed.
3. An intelligent man, a man who has a little meditative consciousness, can make his life a beautiful piece of art, can make it so full of love and full of music and full of poetry and full of dance that there are no limitations for it. Life is not hard. It is man’s stupidity that makes it hard.
4. Whether you create, or you observe an objective piece of creativity, meditation should be the key. Without it, mind can only spread on the canvas its nightmares. Most of the paintings of the great painters like Paul Gaugin or Picasso are almost like vomit. They could not contain their agony and suffering — it was so much they threw it on the canvas to get relief. The real objective art is not a relief; it is not a sickness that you want to get rid of. It is a blissfulness that you want to share. And by sharing, it grows; you have more of it, the more it is shared.
5. People are just stupid: in anything, they follow the fashion. This is not creativity. This is neurosis, or a neurotic kind of creativity. There is another kind of creativity, what Gurdjieff used to call ‘the objective art’. When the inner polarity is no longer polar, when your inner divisions have disappeared and you have become one, then creativity is released. Then you do something that will be of immense help to humanity, because it will be coming out of your wholeness and out of your health. It will be a song of wholeness. It will be like the Song of Solomon — of immense beauty, of immense splendor.
6. All people who are creative are close to religion. Religion is the greatest creativity because it is an effort to give birth to yourself, to become a father and mother to yourself, to be born again, to be reborn through meditation, through awareness. Poetry is good, painting is good — but when you give birth to your own consciousness, there is no comparison. Then you have given birth to the ultimate poetry, the ultimate music, the ultimate dance. This is the dimension of creativity. On the rung of creativity, religion is the last. It is the greatest art, the ultimate art — that’s why I call it ‘the ultimate alchemy’.
7. Modern art is childish — not childlike, remember, childish; not innocent but stupid, insane, pathological. We have to get rid of this trend. We have to create a new kind of art, a new kind of creativity. We have to bring to the world again what Gurdjieff calls objective art.
8. The modern painter is insane. He is painting out of his insanity. If you look at a Zen painting, a silence oozes out of it, suddenly something beautiful surrounds you. You are transported to another consciousness. The painting carries something of the touch of the Master. The painting has been done in deep meditation; the painting has been done by one who has arrived. Gurdjieff used to call such art “objective art”. When somebody who has attained to consciousness does something, that something becomes objective art. Looking at that thing, you will have some glimpse of the Master. The Master may have been dead for three thousand years, that doesn’t matter. The painting, the statue, the carving will represent him, and through it you can again become connected to him. If you know how to meditate with a painting, it will be easier.
9. The highest art one can learn is the art of loving, and that the ultimate creativity and the highest art are born out of a knack — meditation.
10. Help people to meditate, because there is nothing more creative than meditation. Each art and each creativity can be tremendously enhanced by meditation. If somebody is a painter and he starts meditating, his painting will have a sudden jump, it will become tremendously profound — because whatsoever you paint reflects your mind. If the mind goes deeper, your painting will go deeper. You paint your mind. What else can you paint? You paint yourself.
11. Remember from this very moment: always choose that which is good for you and good for others. Choose creativity. Become a blessing to existence, because that is the only way that we can persuade God to become a blessing to us. That’s the only true prayer: becoming a blessing to everyone — to people, to animals, to trees, to life in all its forms. If one remains consciously alert, slowly slowly the art is learned; slowly slowly it becomes just natural.
12. Creativity comes easy to a man who is loose and natural. Whatsoever he does becomes a creative phenomenon. Wherever he touches, it becomes a piece of art; whatsoever he says becomes a poetry. His very movement is aesthetic. If you can see a buddha walking, even his walking is creativity. Even through his walking he is creating a rhythm, even through his walking he is creating a milieu, an atmosphere around him. If a buddha raises his hand he changes the climate immediately around him. Not that he is doing these things, they are simply happening. He is not the doer. Calm, settled inside; tranquil, collected, together inside, filled with infinite energy overpouring, overflowing in all directions, his every moment is a moment of creativity, of cosmic creativity.
13. Unless a man learns how to create, he never becomes a part of existence, which is constantly creative. By being creative one becomes divine; creativity is the only prayer.​
14. ​

 

[OSHO-Lover]

--- надополнето: 28 мај 2012 во 20:07 ---

 

[cruisee]

Луѓе нема да се разбудите од сонот на форум. Преку кур од даскали со полно работно време на интернет кои не го ни живеат нивното. Излези и почувствувај го единството, излези од шаблонот посуптилно, влези у дискотека ако сакаш ама посматрај се себе, осети го секое триење на стапалото од подиумот, вдиши чист воздух, надувај се, води љубов, а вечерта разработи ги соништата и надогради ги.

 

[OSHO-Lover]

Луѓе нема да се разбудите од сонот на форум. Преку кур од даскали со полно работно време на интернет кои не го ни живеат нивното. Излези и почувствувај го единството, излези од шаблонот посуптилно, влези у дискотека ако сакаш ама посматрај се себе, осети го секое триење на стапалото од подиумот, вдиши чист воздух, надувај се, води љубов, а вечерта разработи ги соништата и надогради ги.

Епа што кур бараш на форумов Не се шалам се слагам со тебе, но не значи дека ако постираш на нет нешто што те интересира дека се праиш паметен тогаш зошто би седел ти на форумов?

 

[darmon]

Ошо потполно го разбирам,човек кој нај јасно го сваќам што сака да пренесе, ама не можам на ист начин да возвратам со мислите. Пробувам да мислам и да резонирам јасно како него но не можам. Премногу ми се нејасни многу работи. Во што ми е проблемот?
Ај вие што сте поупатени во медитацијата кажете дали имате некаков напредок во мудроста откако медитирате, и дали некако подобро ги разбирате работите во животот него претходно?

 

[Gurdjieff]

Ошо потполно го разбирам,човек кој нај јасно го сваќам што сака да пренесе, ама не можам на ист начин да возвратам со мислите. Пробувам да мислам и да резонирам јасно како него но не можам. Премногу ми се нејасни многу работи. Во што ми е проблемот?
Ај вие што сте поупатени во медитацијата кажете дали имате некаков напредок во мудроста откако медитирате, и дали некако подобро ги разбирате работите во животот него претходно?

Darmon, ti da ne beshe ateist?
Citav nekoi tvoi postovi i mislam deka se deklarirash kako ateist,
zatoa te prashuvam.....
Osho e religiozen,podobro da ne go citash ako si ateist.
Da ne bidam grub,ali shto ke ti e meditacija ako si ateist?