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Boeing vs Airbus
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Macedalien: najgolemata ironija e shto avionov se pravi so francuski softver. :smir:
Ove e prviot patnichki avion koj kje ima snap-on motori, t.e. motorite nema da bidat "vgradeni" vo trupot, tuku kje mozhe da se menuvaat ("kako baterii" shto bi rekle vo komshilok tuka vo Northrop Grumman). I kje mozhe da se upotrebuvaat razlichni vidovi motori od razlichni proizvoditeli. Boeing zasega pikira samo dva vida motori za upotreba. Cenata na motorite slednive 20 god. = $40 milijardi.
concrete: ti nekade spomena kako Lokheed Martin te potsetuva na najdobrite vreminja na socijalizmot t.e. drzhavanata korupcija. Chitam denovive deka deka LM dobija narchka za da proizvedat ushte 60 F-22 Raptor. So toa proizvodstvoto se prodolzhuva do 2011 god. i se zaokruzhuva na 183 avioni.
Pa mi tekna na tebe, si velam kakva milina e ova amerikanskovo samoupravuvanje, proizveduvaat 2 avioni mesechno, troshocite za razvoj se $28 milijardi, trosocite za proizvodstvo $34 milijardi. Dodushe cenata na Raptor-ot padna na $130 milioni po parche no sepak... A Northrop-Grumman pak skluchi pomal dogovor za opremuvanje na B2 bombarderite so nov Massive Ordonance Penetrator (MOP) bombi. Pogodi koja para e vo prashanje?
"Druzhe Tito nash narodni sine".....
http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=123187
Ove e prviot patnichki avion koj kje ima snap-on motori, t.e. motorite nema da bidat "vgradeni" vo trupot, tuku kje mozhe da se menuvaat ("kako baterii" shto bi rekle vo komshilok tuka vo Northrop Grumman). I kje mozhe da se upotrebuvaat razlichni vidovi motori od razlichni proizvoditeli. Boeing zasega pikira samo dva vida motori za upotreba. Cenata na motorite slednive 20 god. = $40 milijardi.
concrete: ti nekade spomena kako Lokheed Martin te potsetuva na najdobrite vreminja na socijalizmot t.e. drzhavanata korupcija. Chitam denovive deka deka LM dobija narchka za da proizvedat ushte 60 F-22 Raptor. So toa proizvodstvoto se prodolzhuva do 2011 god. i se zaokruzhuva na 183 avioni.
Pa mi tekna na tebe, si velam kakva milina e ova amerikanskovo samoupravuvanje, proizveduvaat 2 avioni mesechno, troshocite za razvoj se $28 milijardi, trosocite za proizvodstvo $34 milijardi. Dodushe cenata na Raptor-ot padna na $130 milioni po parche no sepak... A Northrop-Grumman pak skluchi pomal dogovor za opremuvanje na B2 bombarderite so nov Massive Ordonance Penetrator (MOP) bombi. Pogodi koja para e vo prashanje?
"Druzhe Tito nash narodni sine".....
http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=123187
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Од промоцијата на 787 во Сиетл:
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Nov skandal go drma EADS, vlasnikot na Airbus - insider trading.
" France’s stock market regulator has raised the alarm over possible insider trading on a “massive scale” inside EADS, the Franco-German aerospace group "
Osomnicheni se 21 poraneshni i segashni visoki rakovoditeli za krazhba. I pokraj toa shto sudot pobaral EADS da gi dostavi svoite papki so informacii za sluchajov, ne mi se veruva sudot da najde neshto (poverojatno e deka nema ni da saka da najde neshto). Interesno e deka se povekej se zbvoruva za ulogata na francuskoto Ministerstvo za finansii vo celava spletka.
AMF confirmed the disclosure on Wednesday by Le Figaro, a French daily paper, that it had passed preliminary findings to the French courts, which were already conducting their own investigation.
The timing could not be worse as Airbus prepares to deliver its first A380 flagship superjumbo aircraft to Singapore Airlines this month.
AMF’s preliminary findings, leaked to Le Figaro and confirmed to the Financial Times by a person who had read the report, cite “simultaneous and massive” share sales by executives as far back as November 2005. That was almost seven months before the group issued a warning on the A380 that knocked a quarter off its market value.
The regulator launched an inquiry into 1,200 share transactions but limited it into dealings by Daimler and Lagardиre and the most senior executives. This list included Noлl Forgeard, the former EADS and Airbus boss; Tom Enders, the current Airbus chief executive; Gustav Humbert, another former Airbus chief; and Fabrice Bregier, the current number two at the aircraft maker. All deny any wrongdoing.
Lagardиre and EADS reacted angrily to the leak. EADS said it was “most surprised” by “an unlawful violation of the confidentiality of the current investigations and of the principle of the presumption of innocence”. Lagardиre, whose shares fell sharply, said the claims were unfounded and threatened legal action if it suffered damage as a result of media reports.
The inquiry has raised again the question of the government’s involvement in EADS affairs. The AMF findings cite a memo sent to Thierry Breton, then French finance minister, after a meeting between government representatives and EADS. The note suggested that the state should consider selling part of its 15 per cent in the Franco-German group to take advantage of the record share price. According to Le Figaro, the note suggested that the company risked entering a turbulent cycle.
Airbus faced significant industrial challenges at the time, not only on the A380, but to meet demand for its A320 single aisle aircraft and to develop a mid-size airliner to rival the Boeing 787.
Mr Breton denied inside knowledge of Airbus problems and said the government acted “irreproachably”.
" France’s stock market regulator has raised the alarm over possible insider trading on a “massive scale” inside EADS, the Franco-German aerospace group "
Osomnicheni se 21 poraneshni i segashni visoki rakovoditeli za krazhba. I pokraj toa shto sudot pobaral EADS da gi dostavi svoite papki so informacii za sluchajov, ne mi se veruva sudot da najde neshto (poverojatno e deka nema ni da saka da najde neshto). Interesno e deka se povekej se zbvoruva za ulogata na francuskoto Ministerstvo za finansii vo celava spletka.
AMF confirmed the disclosure on Wednesday by Le Figaro, a French daily paper, that it had passed preliminary findings to the French courts, which were already conducting their own investigation.
The timing could not be worse as Airbus prepares to deliver its first A380 flagship superjumbo aircraft to Singapore Airlines this month.
AMF’s preliminary findings, leaked to Le Figaro and confirmed to the Financial Times by a person who had read the report, cite “simultaneous and massive” share sales by executives as far back as November 2005. That was almost seven months before the group issued a warning on the A380 that knocked a quarter off its market value.
The regulator launched an inquiry into 1,200 share transactions but limited it into dealings by Daimler and Lagardиre and the most senior executives. This list included Noлl Forgeard, the former EADS and Airbus boss; Tom Enders, the current Airbus chief executive; Gustav Humbert, another former Airbus chief; and Fabrice Bregier, the current number two at the aircraft maker. All deny any wrongdoing.
Lagardиre and EADS reacted angrily to the leak. EADS said it was “most surprised” by “an unlawful violation of the confidentiality of the current investigations and of the principle of the presumption of innocence”. Lagardиre, whose shares fell sharply, said the claims were unfounded and threatened legal action if it suffered damage as a result of media reports.
The inquiry has raised again the question of the government’s involvement in EADS affairs. The AMF findings cite a memo sent to Thierry Breton, then French finance minister, after a meeting between government representatives and EADS. The note suggested that the state should consider selling part of its 15 per cent in the Franco-German group to take advantage of the record share price. According to Le Figaro, the note suggested that the company risked entering a turbulent cycle.
Airbus faced significant industrial challenges at the time, not only on the A380, but to meet demand for its A320 single aisle aircraft and to develop a mid-size airliner to rival the Boeing 787.
Mr Breton denied inside knowledge of Airbus problems and said the government acted “irreproachably”.
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Slusan DREAMLINER-ot se odlaga za skoro cela godina????Problemi so compozitite kako razbrav, Misirkov e poinformiran...sto se slucuva so proektot????
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Shest meseci docnat, mozhebi ushte mesec-dva po toj rok.
Spored neoficijalni informacii, imaat problemi pri spojuvanjeto na delovite i so softwerot. A taka pochnaa problemite i so A380.
Sepak toa se shpekulacii i nishto ne se znae. Boeing ne dava da se protne nikakva informacija, se' e "strogo pov".
Ne znam dali ti kazhav, mnogu dobar prijatel sum so VP Space Programs (inaku Lt. General vo USAF), ama ne izustuva zbor.
Inaku vlezi na Flight International www.flightglobal.com pa baraj za 787.
Spored neoficijalni informacii, imaat problemi pri spojuvanjeto na delovite i so softwerot. A taka pochnaa problemite i so A380.
Sepak toa se shpekulacii i nishto ne se znae. Boeing ne dava da se protne nikakva informacija, se' e "strogo pov".
Ne znam dali ti kazhav, mnogu dobar prijatel sum so VP Space Programs (inaku Lt. General vo USAF), ama ne izustuva zbor.
Inaku vlezi na Flight International www.flightglobal.com pa baraj za 787.
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Ne gi sledam mnogu patnickite avioni, ama zatoa vo kompoziti od najednostavnite do advanced na nivo carbon-carbon pominav golem del od mojot raboten vek.............gledajki kako gi pravat podsklopovite na trupot , masinata za "redenje" na ramenjacite na kriloto (spar) i slicno....mozev da se kladam deka ke imaat problemi....!!!
Konceptot e dobro smislen , no kako mnogu koncepti na patot do realizacija ima MNOOOGU skapi utki i slepi ulici....no ke izbutkaat...i prviot prototip na Concord..strukturalno skoro nema veza so seriskoto parce!!!
!!!Konceptot e dobro smislen , no kako mnogu koncepti na patot do realizacija ima MNOOOGU skapi utki i slepi ulici....no ke izbutkaat...i prviot prototip na Concord..strukturalno skoro nema veza so seriskoto parce
!!!
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Slushash li shto se sluchuva vo Airbus poslednive nekolku nedeli? Igleda korupcijata dosega do saimot vrv vo Francija, do ministerot.
Shto se odnesuva do seriskoto parche, samo da ne e neshto vakvo: :smir:
P.S. Ti pishav poraka.
Shto se odnesuva do seriskoto parche, samo da ne e neshto vakvo: :smir:
P.S. Ti pishav poraka.
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Scandal That Could Ripple Wider Than EADS
By Paul Betts
Published: October 9 2007 20:06 | Last updated: October 9 2007 20:06
As if the alleged insider trading scandal at EADS were not enough, France is embroiled in another unseemly affair with perhaps even broader repercussions.
The country’s powerful metal industries federation, UIMM, is caught up in a controversy about missing funds that threatens to complicate crucial negotiations about labour reforms between French employers and unions. This is because the man at the centre of the row is Denis Gautier-Sauvagnac, the suave head of UIMM, who is also leading the talks on behalf of the French employers confederation, Medef, with labour leaders.
The reforms are part of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s attempt to make France more competitive by reforming, among other things, the current cumbersome system of employment contracts.
Although the focus of the preliminary investigation is on the UIMM president, this affair is also casting a dark cloud over the credibility of the union leadership. According to reports, as much as €15m may have been withdrawn in cash, and the obvious question is, where did the money go? The unions have denied allegations that the missing money may have been misused.
Mr Gautier-Sauvagnac has also vigorously denied any involvement in the disappearance of the funds. He continues to be supported by Medef’s president, Laurence Parisot, even though this week there have been signs that Ms Parisot is starting to put some distance between Medef and the metal industries federation.
Combined with the EADS scandal – which raises all sorts of questions over the behaviour of company executives, the state and the Caisse des Dјpфts et Consignations, the so-called “armed wing” of the French treasury – the affair of the missing funds at UIMM does little to reassure a nation traditionally suspicious of capitalism, especially in its more extreme modern manifestations.
Meanwhile, in response to the union and public dismay over the latest scandal shaking EADS, the group’s chief executive Louis Gallois is now planning to abolish stock options at EADS.
Instead he is proposing a free share scheme for employees that could also include the obligation for certain executives to hold on to shares until they leave the company.
Such a proposal may well have the benefit of making executive compensation at EADS more transparent. But it hardly addresses the deeper governance issues still facing the group – above all its tangled and arcane relationship with its French state shareholder. Sadly, the reputational damage to the company has already been done.
What is even more alarming is that this French school for scandal risks undermining the efforts of Mr Sarkozy’s government to push through the liberal reforms so crucial to France’s longer-term growth prospects and prosperity.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/65aa4990-7699-11dc-ad83-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
By Paul Betts
Published: October 9 2007 20:06 | Last updated: October 9 2007 20:06
As if the alleged insider trading scandal at EADS were not enough, France is embroiled in another unseemly affair with perhaps even broader repercussions.
The country’s powerful metal industries federation, UIMM, is caught up in a controversy about missing funds that threatens to complicate crucial negotiations about labour reforms between French employers and unions. This is because the man at the centre of the row is Denis Gautier-Sauvagnac, the suave head of UIMM, who is also leading the talks on behalf of the French employers confederation, Medef, with labour leaders.
The reforms are part of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s attempt to make France more competitive by reforming, among other things, the current cumbersome system of employment contracts.
Although the focus of the preliminary investigation is on the UIMM president, this affair is also casting a dark cloud over the credibility of the union leadership. According to reports, as much as €15m may have been withdrawn in cash, and the obvious question is, where did the money go? The unions have denied allegations that the missing money may have been misused.
Mr Gautier-Sauvagnac has also vigorously denied any involvement in the disappearance of the funds. He continues to be supported by Medef’s president, Laurence Parisot, even though this week there have been signs that Ms Parisot is starting to put some distance between Medef and the metal industries federation.
Combined with the EADS scandal – which raises all sorts of questions over the behaviour of company executives, the state and the Caisse des Dјpфts et Consignations, the so-called “armed wing” of the French treasury – the affair of the missing funds at UIMM does little to reassure a nation traditionally suspicious of capitalism, especially in its more extreme modern manifestations.
Meanwhile, in response to the union and public dismay over the latest scandal shaking EADS, the group’s chief executive Louis Gallois is now planning to abolish stock options at EADS.
Instead he is proposing a free share scheme for employees that could also include the obligation for certain executives to hold on to shares until they leave the company.
Such a proposal may well have the benefit of making executive compensation at EADS more transparent. But it hardly addresses the deeper governance issues still facing the group – above all its tangled and arcane relationship with its French state shareholder. Sadly, the reputational damage to the company has already been done.
What is even more alarming is that this French school for scandal risks undermining the efforts of Mr Sarkozy’s government to push through the liberal reforms so crucial to France’s longer-term growth prospects and prosperity.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/65aa4990-7699-11dc-ad83-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
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Airbus sega docni so isporaka na voeniot transporter A400
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2828522,00.html
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2828522,00.html
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пред некој ден прочитав на поминување по германскиве весници дека на 15 октомври треба да биде испорачан првиот А380 кој беше нарачан.
Освен тоа негдека прочитав дека аирбас добил повеќе нарачки отколку боинг до сега годинава.
Освен тоа негдека прочитав дека аирбас добил повеќе нарачки отколку боинг до сега годинава.
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citam deka ovoj A400 e razvien za suma dvojno pogolema od taa za A380
!!Sto para se vrti , a??? i muva ne gi lazi zaradi docnenjeto.....NE DZABE POSTOJANO POVTORUVAM DEKA SOCIJALOZMOT ne da ne e mrtov ,
toj e NASEKADE....
!!!....osven vo Yugoslavija koja go izmisli...!!!
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zivotna zelba mi e da letam u voen avion