Кој ги изградил пирамидите и зошто?

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нема ништо “надприродно“ во пирамидите, запишано е уште во древните времиња кој кога и колку ги градел, дури и пресметани им биле цените на изградбата.
Во вековите е заборавено и изгубено од сеќавање техниките, алатките со кои се градело, ние денес сме премногу зависни од интернет, струја, возила, телефони... не се ни замислуваме каков бил секојдневниот живот, како успевале да живеат ден за ден година за година.
Користеле тогаш техники и справи на кои ние денес не ни помислуваме затоа што не ни треба. Како да запалиш оган без кибрит и упаљач? појма немам. Како да направиш стапица и фатиш зајак или фазан? шо ќе ми е... како да си направиш куќа од кал и камен со отворено огниште и покриено со гранки и слама? немам појма... кои билки ќе ти помогнат ако ти е лошо ако те боли стомак ако те боли глава?? како да не, ене аптека ќе си земам улкодин или аспирин... како д направиш платно од лен или од волна како да направиш игла од коска и си направиш облекло за на зима?
Обичниот живот беше тогаш чудо за нас, но сепак си живеече, си биле среќни си имале свои радости и таги се интересирале за некои работи, се плашеле од други. Античките градби - не пирамидите, дури и столбовите на акропол техниката како се составувани со милиметарска прецизност, или како им е даван благиот лак беа мистерија за научниците, некои техники и начини се откриени, пронајдени, некои ќе останат секогаш мистерија. Многу начини или алатки ни тие не си ги запишале пошто им биле вообичаени, секојдневни, се пренесувале од колено на колено од прапрапрадедо и тие мислеле дека вечно така ќе се работи. Херодот бил во Египет пред околу 2500 години, ги видел и посетил и пирамидите, ги запишал и како и кој и колку ги граделе, самите египќани никогаш не се чуделе кој и зошто им ги направил. Тоа се чудиме ние пошто го изгубивме сеќавањето.
 
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Набрзина ќе ти напишам и ме мрзи да преведувам, ќе ти постирам некои текст околу тоа како се граделе пирамидите. Патем линкот од кајгана е доста интересен затоа што тоа е еден дел/чекор од процесот на градење на пирамида.


Главниот проблем беше поставување на камењата на повисоките делови...


A major problem facing the builders of the Ancient Egyptian Pyramids, was that of getting the Large stone blocks to the height they required.
The most common theory for moving large blocks is to slide logs under the large stones to make mobility easier. The block would have been attached to large ropes with people pushing the block forward. At the same time several men would remove the last log uncovered by the stone. The end log that was removed would then be transported to the front where it would complete the cycle under the stone and the endless cycle would be repeated.






Не знам колку си запознат со должината на временскиот период на градење на пирамида, но сигурно не би била помала од 10 години, а ниту пак поголема од 40 години. :)


BONUS:
Знаеш што е проблемот со нашето учење ? Дадено ни е одредено знаење .Сите овие што ги гледаш што се од институти на европа и америка се со контролирана информација .Почни да гледаш документарци кои се критички ,реални и контраверзни .И не верувај во се што ќе прочиташ ,гледај самото да има смисла еве почни со овој .
Се надевам разбираш англиски .Еве ги самите научници кои го даваат тоа тврдење што го читаш по страни на интернет.Самите се плетакаат кога ќе им постават прашања .
 
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Знаеш што е проблемот со нашето учење ? Дадено ни е одредено знаење .Сите овие што ги гледаш што се од институти на европа и америка се со контролирана информација .Почни да гледаш документарци кои се критички ,реални и контраверзни .И не верувај во се што ќе прочиташ ,гледај самото да има смисла еве почни со овој .
Се надевам разбираш англиски .Еве ги самите научници кои го даваат тоа тврдење што го читаш по страни на интернет.Самите се плетакаат кога ќе им постават прашања .
Не знам зошто се мачев да ти постирам и барам линкови, ама од друга страна па се заинтересирав пред се јас повеќе да прочитам за пирамидите. Зарем нема смисла сето она што го постирав?
 

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Не знам зошто се мачев да ти постирам и барам линкови, ама од друга страна па се заинтересирав пред се јас повеќе да прочитам за пирамидите. Зарем нема смисла сето она што го постирав?
Друг пат прво заинтересирај се, прочитај, види па дојди да дискутираш. Вака за џабе си читал......си се изгубил во "борбата" да го браниш ставот, а со тоа и секогаш ќе бараш инфо што ќе ти ги брани веќе дефинираните ставови. Ништо од твојата потрага по вистината ако не си свесен за оваа работа.
 
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Друг пат прво заинтересирај се, прочитај, види па дојди да дискутираш. Вака за џабе си читал......си се изгубил во "борбата" да го браниш ставот, а со тоа и секогаш ќе бараш инфо што ќе ти ги брани веќе дефинираните ставови. Ништо од твојата потрага по вистината ако не си свесен за оваа работа.
Еве се интересирав, го прашав зошто е глупаво и досадно. Му дадов некој текст и видео кое што сум ги прочитал и ми биле интересни, секогаш сум отворен за читање што е можно повеќе информации и податоци за одредени работи кои ме интересираат, каков во овој случај. И не, не сум тука да си го "мерам" туку едноставно да се едуцирам повеќе околу нештата.
 

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Еве се интересирав, го прашав зошто е глупаво и досадно. Му дадов некој текст и видео кое што сум ги прочитал и ми биле интересни, секогаш сум отворен за читање што е можно повеќе информации и податоци за одредени работи кои ме интересираат, каков во овој случај. И не, не сум тука да си го "мерам" туку едноставно да се едуцирам повеќе околу нештата.
Изгледај го тогаш документарецот прво што го постираше khz777 ако го немаш гледано.
После напрај една пресметка како 100000 луѓе поставувале по еден камен на 3,5 мин 24/7 и тоа 20 год. Камењата се влечени 8000 километри...ова како за старт. После може и друго да разговараме.
 
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Изгледај го тогаш документарецот прво што го постираше khz777 ако го немаш гледано.
После напрај една пресметка како 100000 луѓе поставувале по еден камен на 3,5 мин 24/7 и тоа 20 год. Камењата се влечени 8000 километри...ова како за старт. После може и друго да разговараме.
Ќе го разгледам видеото, ама повеќе преферирам да читам, доколку имаш нешто за читкање (интересно) сподели.
 

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Ќе го разгледам видеото, ама повеќе преферирам да читам, доколку имаш нешто за читкање (интересно) сподели.
Изгледај го документарецот, моментално нема никој подобар направено. Се разгледуваат сите проблематики таму.....дотерано ти е да не губиш време. Ако сакаш може поединечно да се разгледуваат некои од проблематиките....како и да е, погледни го прво.
 

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Изгледај го документарецот, моментално нема никој подобар направено. Се разгледуваат сите проблематики таму.....дотерано ти е да не губиш време. Ако сакаш може поединечно да се разгледуваат некои од проблематиките....како и да е, погледни го прво.
Кој е тој документарец?
 

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http://www.global.tdk.com/techmag/inductive/vol3/index.htm

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книга;

Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology; Stoneworking technology in Ancient Egypt (Denys A. Stocks 2003)

page 194;


Friction and force: physics to the rescue

The Egyptian craftworker was always fighting gravity and friction when moving
large stone blocks (Figure 7.16). Let us consider how much force was needed to
slide the casing-blocks across each other in the Great Pyramid. C.A. Coulomb45
conducted a large number of experiments appertaining to the question of friction
between clean, dry surfaces. Coulomb’s results are the basis for the laws of friction,
and S. Timoshenko and D.H. Young46 have summarized them as follows:



Figure 7.16 Large stone blocks accurately fitted to their supporting pillars in the Osireion
at the rear of the temple of Abydos



M A S T E R M A S O N R Y F I T T E R S


1 The total friction that can be developed is independent of the magnitude of
the area in contact.

2 The total friction that can be developed is proportional to the Normal force.
(The Normal force is that force acting upon two surfaces being pressed
together.)

3 For low velocities of sliding the total friction that can be developed is practically
independent of the velocity, although experiments show that the force
F necessary to start sliding is greater than that necessary to maintain sliding.
The formula F = μN expresses these laws of friction, where μ (mu) is called the
coefficient of friction and N is the Normal force – expressed in Newtons. (A
Normal force of 1 kg pressing two surfaces together is equal to 9.8 Newtons at
sea level.) If F is taken as the force necessary to start sliding, μ is called the
coefficient of static friction. If F is taken as the somewhat smaller force necessary
to maintain sliding, μ is called the coefficient of kinetic friction. In this study, only
the greater force necessary to begin sliding will be considered.
Sliding tests required a surface on each of two small blocks of soft limestone to
be flattened and smoothed to a tolerance of 0.25 mm (Figure 7.17). The prepared
blocks’ dry flat surfaces were placed in contact, one block above the other, the
bottom block being slowly tilted until the top block just began to slide across its
surface. Several tests revealed an average angle of tilt to be 36°.47 The tangent
of this angle gives a coefficient of static friction of 0.73.
Several sliding tests were repeated with liquid mortar applied to the bottom
block’s top surface. The upper block now commenced sliding at an average angle

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Figure 7.17 Two small limestone blocks, each with a surface flattened to a tolerance of
0.25 mm



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Figure 7.18 The lubricated sliding test using the prepared limestone blocks

of 8°, giving a coefficient of static friction of 0.14 (Figure 7.18). Other experiments
revealed that a wooden sledge runner on liquid mud produced a similar coefficient of static friction.


One of the existing casing-blocks on the northern side of the Great Pyramid
weighs approximately 16,300 kg. To find the force, F, to start this block to slide
dry on a flat and smoothed stone surface, its weight must first be converted to the
Normal force, N, in Newtons, i.e. 16,300 × 9.8 = 159,740 Newtons. The sliding
force, F, can now be calculated by multiplying the coefficient of static friction of
0.73 by the Normal force, N. F = 116,610 Newtons. To find the force, F, starting
the same block sliding on a surface lubricated with liquid mortar, the coefficient
of static friction of 0.14 must be used. F = 22,363 Newtons.
These results show that over five times less force is needed to start a lubricated
block moving than that of a dry block. This reduction factor of five applies to all
blocks, no matter what their weight and area of surface contact.
In the Twelfth Dynasty tomb of Djehutihotep, at el-Bersheh,48 Upper Egypt,
there is an illustration of an alabaster statue of him, thought to weigh about
60 tonnes; 172 men are hauling it along a level surface on a sledge. A man
is pouring some liquid, probably water, in front of the sledge’s runners to
maintain a muddy track. Calculations show that each worker needed to pull with
a force of 478 Newtons (about 49 kg) in order to start the statue moving from rest.

The Djehutihotep illustration suggests that one worker was capable of initiating
and maintaining a pulling force of about 500 Newtons (about 50 kg)
. Therefore,
about 45 workers could have started a lubricated 16,300 kg block moving on a
horizontal surface
. Once started, the force required to keep the block moving
would drop, allowing it to be pulled forward at a constant rate. A smaller,
lubricated Great Pyramid casing-block of about 2,750 kg, this weight calculated
from the average size of the core- and casing-blocks, required the initial force to
be 3,770 Newtons (about 385 kg). Eight workers could easily start a block of this
weight moving on a level surface.

The experiment with the mud-lubricated sledge runner explains why the angle
of slope for some ancient ramps (Figure 7.19) was less than 8°. For example, a
Nineteenth Dynasty papyrus in the British Museum49 gives some measurements
for a hypothetical ramp. A scribe, Hori, asks another scribe, Amenemope, how
many bricks are needed to make a ramp of 730 cubits (383.25 m) in length,
55 cubits (28.9 m) in width and a height of 60 cubits (31.5 m). Calculations
indicate that the ramp’s gradient is 1 in 12, or nearly 5°. The gradient of the ramp
left in the unfinished Fourth Dynasty mortuary temple of Menkaure is about 1 in
8, or just over 7°.50 Also, two stone-built loading ramps, excavated at the southern
end of the Gebel el-Asr region, Lower Nubia,51 where gneiss was extracted from
the quarries there, both measured approximately 9 m in length and 1.2 m high at the front, again giving a gradient of 7°.

Sliding laws state that twice the force for pulling a block along a level surface is
required to pull a block up an incline at an angle equal to the angle at which it
is about to slide backwards52 – nearly 8° on a mud-lubricated ramp and nearly 36°
on a dry ramp surface. An ideal lubricated ramp’s gradient is 1 in 8. However, a

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Figure 7.19 Remains of a mud brick ramp in the Karnak temple, Luxor

ramp of 1 in 12 is quite adequate, completely eliminating the risk of an unattended
block sliding backwards. Ramps sloping upwards at 8°, and higher, are
likely to have been used dry, it being both counter-productive and dangerous to
lubricate such a ramp.

I.E.S. Edwards53 favoured a single supply ramp, constructed at 90° to a
pyramid’s side, for hauling the blocks up.54 Calculations show that if a 7° (1 in 8)
ramp was constructed in ancient times it needed to be a maximum 1,100 m in
length. This is about three times longer than the hypothetical ramp in the British
Museum papyrus. However, by changing the ramp’s direction through several
turns it didn’t need to extend 1,100 m in a straight line from the face of the
pyramid while maintaining a similar inclination along its whole length.
Petrie estimated that the skilled masons employed permanently at Giza for the
building of the Great Pyramid numbered between 3,400 and 4,000.55 Herodotus
stated that he was informed that the number of workers employed for transporting
the stones in the inundation was 100,000, the pyramid being built in 20 years.56
However, recent excavations carried out at a Fourth Dynasty industrial site at
Giza by Zahi Hawass and Mark Lehner,57 and subsequent assessments of the
archaeological and scientific evidence, indicate that a maximum 20,000 skilled
Egyptian masons and labourers were employed for 20 years to build the Great Pyramid.

The experiments with the three replica surface-testing tools indicate their
presence at Giza in the Fourth Dynasty: they, alone, could have enabled craftworkers
accurately to prepare the limestone blocks fitted into the Great Pyramid
of Giza. The sliding experiments revealed significant advantages in moving stone
blocks, and loaded sledges, along mortar- and mud-lubricated horizontal and ramp surfaces.
 
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Интересна слика со уште поинтересни ентитети на неа.Немам инфо од која пирамида е ова.
The glorious transformations of Ra”, the Great God Ra performs His transformations; scene from IV part of the “Book of the Earth”, II register, VI scene, inscribed in the “House of Eternity” of the two Kings Ramses V and Ramses VI, Valley of the Kings (KV9), West Diospolis Megale, Thebes

но ванземаљци....
поопширно !
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Egyptian Stories
by Herodotus

These Egyptian stories are for the benefit of whoever believes such tales: my rule in this history is that I record what is said by all as I have heard it. The Egyptians say that Demeter and Dionysus are the rulers of the lower world. The Egyptians were the first who maintained the following doctrine, too, that the human soul is immortal, and at the death of the body enters into some other living thing then coming to birth; and after passing through all creatures of land, sea, and air, it enters once more into a human body at birth, a cycle which it completes in three thousand years. There are Greeks who have used this doctrine, some earlier and some later, as if it were their own; I know their names, but do not record them.

[...]

They said that Egypt until the time of King Rhampsinitus was altogether well-governed and prospered greatly, but that Kheops, who was the next king, brought the people to utter misery. For first he closed all the temples, so that no one could sacrifice there; and next, he compelled all the Egyptians to work for him. To some, he assigned the task of dragging stones from the quarries in the Arabian mountains to the Nile; and after the stones were ferried across the river in boats, he organized others to receive and drag them to the mountains called Libyan. They worked in gangs of a hundred thousand men, each gang for three months. For ten years the people wore themselves out building the road over which the stones were dragged, work which was in my opinion not much lighter at all than the building of the pyramid1 (for the road is nearly a mile long and twenty yards wide, and elevated at its highest to a height of sixteen yards, and it is all of stone polished and carved with figures). The aforesaid ten years went to the building of this road and of the underground chambers in the hill where the pyramids stand; these, the king meant to be burial-places for himself, and surrounded them with water, bringing in a channel from the Nile. The pyramid itself was twenty years in the making. Its base is square, each side eight hundred feet long, and its height is the same; the whole is of stone polished and most exactly fitted; there is no block of less than thirty feet in length.

This pyramid was made like stairs, which some call steps and others, tiers. When this, its first form, was completed, the workmen used short wooden logs as levers to raise the rest of the stones; they heaved up the blocks from the ground onto the first tier of steps; when the stone had been raised, it was set on another lever that stood on the first tier, and the lever again used to lift it from this tier to the next. It may be that there was a new lever on each tier of steps, or perhaps there was only one lever, quite portable, which they carried up to each tier in turn; I leave this uncertain, as both possibilities were mentioned. But this is certain, that the upper part of the pyramid was finished off first, then the next below it, and last of all the base and the lowest part.

There are writings on the pyramid in Egyptian characters indicating how much was spent on radishes and onions and garlic for the workmen; and I am sure that, when he read me the writing, the interpreter said that sixteen hundred talents of silver had been paid. Now if that is so, how much must have been spent on the iron with which they worked, and the workmen’s food and clothing, considering that the time aforesaid was spent in building, while hewing and carrying the stone and digging out the underground parts was, as I suppose, a business of long duration. That is, the stones which were to fill up the angles of the steps, and make the side of the pyramid a smooth inclined plane. The Pyramids built by Cheops, Chephren, and Mycerinus respectively are the pyramids of Gizeh, near Cairo.

[…]

And so evil a man was Kheops that, needing money, he put his own daughter in a brothel and made her charge a fee (how much, they did not say). She did as her father told her, but was disposed to leave a memorial of her own, and asked of each coming to her that he give one stone; and of these stones they said the pyramid was built that stands midmost of the three, over against the great pyramid; each side of it measures one hundred and fifty feet.

The Egyptians said that this Kheops reigned for fifty years; at his death he was succeeded by his brother Khephren, who was in all respects like Kheops. Khephren also built a pyramid, smaller than his brother’s. I have measured it myself. It has no underground chambers, nor is it entered like the other by a canal from the Nile, but the river comes in through a built passage and encircles an island, in which, they say, Kheops himself lies. This pyramid was built on the same scale as the other, except that it falls forty feet short of it in height; it stands near the great pyramid; the lowest layer of it is of variegated Ethiopian stone. Both of them stand on the same ridge, which is about a hundred feet high. Khephren, they said, reigned for fifty-six years.

Thus, they reckon that for a hundred and six years Egypt was in great misery and the temples so long shut were never opened. The people hate the memory of these two kings so much that they do not much wish to name them, and call the pyramids after the shepherd Philitis, who then pastured his flocks in this place.

The next king of Egypt, they said, was Kheops’ son Mycerinus. Disliking his father’s doings, he opened the temples and let the people, ground down to the depth of misery, go to their business and their sacrifices; and he was the most just judge among all the kings. This is why he is praised above all the rulers of Egypt; for not only were his judgments just, but Mycerinus would give any who were not satisfied with the judgment a present out of his own estate to compensate him for his loss. Though mild toward his people and conducting himself as he did, yet he suffered calamities, the first of which was the death of his daughter, the only child of his household. Deeply grieved over this misfortune, he wanted to give her a burial somewhat more sumptuous than ordinary; he therefore made a hollow cow’s image of gilded wood and placed the body of his dead daughter therein.

[…]

This king, too, left a pyramid, but far smaller than his father’s, each side twenty feet short of three hundred feet long, square at the base, and as much as half its height of Ethiopian stone. Some Greeks say that it was built by Rhodopis, the courtesan, but they are wrong; indeed, it is clear to me that they say this without even knowing who Rhodopis was (otherwise, they would never have credited her with the building of a pyramid on which what I may call an uncountable sum of money was spent), or that Rhodopis flourished in the reign of Amasis, not of Mycerinus; for very many years later than these kings who left the pyramids came Rhodopis, who was Thracian by birth, and a slave of Iadmon son of Hephaestopolis the Samian, and a fellow-slave of Aesop the story-writer.

* “The Histories” – The Great Pyramid. Herodotus, with an English translation by A. D. Godley. Cambridge. Harvard University Press. 1920.


Ни тука немет вонземаљци, мистерии и други видови на сувомеснати производи...

Алтернативна теорија, само има недостаток на археолошки и иконографски материјал но, незначи дека ова е дело на XXI Витешка дружина, ред на вистината на царо Трол од другите, периферни краишта на универзумот кои оставиле стихозбирки, пирамиди на Земјата, Марс;
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/mystic-places/the-great-pyramid-and-transport-of-heavy-stone-blocks/
 
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