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Cleopatra's Suicide by Snake a Myth?
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News
April 1, 2008 -- Popular lore holds that in Cleopatra's last moments, the distraught queen -- who had just lost her kingdom and learned of her lover's demise -- smuggled a poisonous snake into her locked chamber and died, along with two ladies-in-waiting, of a self-inflicted snake bite.
Such a scenario is next to impossible, according to Egyptologist Joyce Tyldesley, who shatters the "snakebite suicide" myth in her new book, Cleopatra: Last Queen of Egypt, just published in Europe and slated for an upcoming U.S. release.
"It seems to me that the snake theory is just too difficult to sustain, as it leaves too many loopholes," Tyldesley, a lecturer at the University of Manchester in England and museum fellow, told Discovery News.
She posed the following questions: Do we imagine one snake killed all three women, or were three snakes brought in? How did the snake(s) get into the room? Where did the snakes then go? Since not all snakes are poisonous, how did the women ensure their own deaths?
"Basically, I think there are better and more reliable ways of killing oneself," she said, adding that some elements of the story are probably true.
Based on a number of historical accounts, Cleopatra did die in Alexandria at around 30 B.C., and there is no historical evidence of a prior illness. The moments leading up to her death are also plausible to Tyldesley, particularly Cleopatra's dismissal of her servants, save for two women, Charmian and Eiras.
"The decision to die in front of her female servants made good practical sense, as even the dead (according to ancient Egyptian spiritual beliefs) needed a chaperone," she explained.
"One of the horrors of female suicide was that the body might be glimpsed partially naked, by strangers," she added. The queen therefore safeguarded her virtue in life and in death by retaining the company of her ladies-in-waiting.
In accounts written about by the Greek historian Plutarch and the Roman historian Cassius Dio, Cleopatra had a snake smuggled into her chamber inside a jar of figs or water, but both historians expressed doubts about the scenario.
Tyldesley said the most likely snake would have been an Egyptian cobra, which, while slender, can grow up to 6 feet in length.
"An adult cobra, or three, would have needed an exceptionally large fig basket or water jar," she wrote.
She believes instead that Cleopatra and her servants died of self-administered poison, which might have been smuggled into the room or worn on the queen in a pin or hair comb. One of Cleopatra's uncles committed suicide by ingesting poison; death by suicide was seen as a virtue in the Greek tradition her family practiced.
Cleopatra might have "chosen to die on her own terms rather than wait to be killed or humiliated by Octavian," who defeated Antony and Cleopatra at the Battle of Actium and later became the Roman Emperor Augustus, said Tyldesley.
Some researchers even believe Octavian murdered Cleopatra. U.S. criminal profiler Pat Brown took on the case in 2004 and approached it as she would investigate a 21st century death.
Brown also found flaws in the snakebite scenario. With the help of University College London Egyptologist Nicole Douek and Oxford University professor David Warrell, she came to the conclusion that Octavian "sent his men in to do the job" and then made it look like suicide.
Tyldesley agrees Octavian would have "wanted Cleopatra dead, although the argument that he wished to end the troublesome Ptolemaic line once and for all holds little water when we consider that he spared the lives of three of Cleopatra's children and allowed Cleopatra's daughter to marry and have children of her own."
As for the snake myth, Tyldesley thinks it arose because the Egyptians feared, respected and worshipped snakes. Cleopatra might have therefore worn a crown with a snake depicted on it, which artists latched onto, perhaps with too much fervor.
"Later artists picked up on the royal Egyptian snake idea and ran with it...fuelling speculation that she died by snakebite," said Tyldesley.
п.с.
не е за Аце...ама е згодно место..
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News
April 1, 2008 -- Popular lore holds that in Cleopatra's last moments, the distraught queen -- who had just lost her kingdom and learned of her lover's demise -- smuggled a poisonous snake into her locked chamber and died, along with two ladies-in-waiting, of a self-inflicted snake bite.
Such a scenario is next to impossible, according to Egyptologist Joyce Tyldesley, who shatters the "snakebite suicide" myth in her new book, Cleopatra: Last Queen of Egypt, just published in Europe and slated for an upcoming U.S. release.
"It seems to me that the snake theory is just too difficult to sustain, as it leaves too many loopholes," Tyldesley, a lecturer at the University of Manchester in England and museum fellow, told Discovery News.
She posed the following questions: Do we imagine one snake killed all three women, or were three snakes brought in? How did the snake(s) get into the room? Where did the snakes then go? Since not all snakes are poisonous, how did the women ensure their own deaths?
"Basically, I think there are better and more reliable ways of killing oneself," she said, adding that some elements of the story are probably true.
Based on a number of historical accounts, Cleopatra did die in Alexandria at around 30 B.C., and there is no historical evidence of a prior illness. The moments leading up to her death are also plausible to Tyldesley, particularly Cleopatra's dismissal of her servants, save for two women, Charmian and Eiras.
"The decision to die in front of her female servants made good practical sense, as even the dead (according to ancient Egyptian spiritual beliefs) needed a chaperone," she explained.
"One of the horrors of female suicide was that the body might be glimpsed partially naked, by strangers," she added. The queen therefore safeguarded her virtue in life and in death by retaining the company of her ladies-in-waiting.
In accounts written about by the Greek historian Plutarch and the Roman historian Cassius Dio, Cleopatra had a snake smuggled into her chamber inside a jar of figs or water, but both historians expressed doubts about the scenario.
Tyldesley said the most likely snake would have been an Egyptian cobra, which, while slender, can grow up to 6 feet in length.
"An adult cobra, or three, would have needed an exceptionally large fig basket or water jar," she wrote.
She believes instead that Cleopatra and her servants died of self-administered poison, which might have been smuggled into the room or worn on the queen in a pin or hair comb. One of Cleopatra's uncles committed suicide by ingesting poison; death by suicide was seen as a virtue in the Greek tradition her family practiced.
Cleopatra might have "chosen to die on her own terms rather than wait to be killed or humiliated by Octavian," who defeated Antony and Cleopatra at the Battle of Actium and later became the Roman Emperor Augustus, said Tyldesley.
Some researchers even believe Octavian murdered Cleopatra. U.S. criminal profiler Pat Brown took on the case in 2004 and approached it as she would investigate a 21st century death.
Brown also found flaws in the snakebite scenario. With the help of University College London Egyptologist Nicole Douek and Oxford University professor David Warrell, she came to the conclusion that Octavian "sent his men in to do the job" and then made it look like suicide.
Tyldesley agrees Octavian would have "wanted Cleopatra dead, although the argument that he wished to end the troublesome Ptolemaic line once and for all holds little water when we consider that he spared the lives of three of Cleopatra's children and allowed Cleopatra's daughter to marry and have children of her own."
As for the snake myth, Tyldesley thinks it arose because the Egyptians feared, respected and worshipped snakes. Cleopatra might have therefore worn a crown with a snake depicted on it, which artists latched onto, perhaps with too much fervor.
"Later artists picked up on the royal Egyptian snake idea and ran with it...fuelling speculation that she died by snakebite," said Tyldesley.
п.с.
не е за Аце...ама е згодно место..
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pa..ima mnogu na koi glavata im e za ukras..
na sever ziveele Celtic..vo Panonija..interesno..
tamu..
Danubian Celtic Coinage
The Danube area of Pannonia was inhabited by two major celtic tribes, the Boii to the North and the Scordisci to the south. The coins in use along the Danube region were in design a copy of Macedonian Drachmas(ova e laga,kakva drahma bre) of King Phillip II. There are variations in the stylization of the head, some coins being easily recognised and some showing only a few stylized details. These coins were supposedly issued by the Boii tribe from what is now southern Hungary.
In the picture below the coin on the left is a Macedonian Drachma (ova e laga,kakva drahma bre), the one on the right celtic issue.
Most coins found are large bronzes of the "Kugelwange" type. The coinage shows great variation in size, the largest found being 32 mm; the smallest found so far being only 8.5 mm in diameter.
http://www.calverley.info/finds/celt_coins.htm
ima uste po google..
demek,Makedoncite bile vo karantin..
glupost(a)..
prodolzuva
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inaku..
na teritorijata na Scordisci (Celts) pronajdeni se moneti i objasneti...
Around the end of the 3 rd century B.C. the Scordisci started issuing their own local
coinages imitating the types of Philip II of Macedon. These coinages were of limited volume
of production and restricted area of circulation, so that their finds are not numerous.
Conversely, the finds of the Macedonian coins in the territory of the Scordisci are much more
numerous than the finds of any of the Scordiscan issues (a topographic map will illustrate the
pattern of coin finds). Coins of the following kings of Macedonia are attested: Philip II (359-
336 B.C.), Alexander III (336-323 B.C.), Philip III (323-316 B.C.), Cassander (306-297
B.C.), Demetrius I Poliorcetes ( 294-288 B.C.), Antigonus Gonatas (277-239 B.C.), Philip V
(220-179 B.C.) and Perseus (178-168 B.C.), as well as the specimens of “Autonomous
Coinage without King’s Name” (issued 188/187–168/167 B.C.). The coins appear in seven
hoards and as numerous isolated finds, mostly discovered on or near the sites of the
Scordiscan settlements datable from the second half of the 3 rd to the beginning of the 1 st
century B.C.
However, the chronology of inflow of these Macedonian coins into the territory of the
Scordisci is uncertain, as well as the reasons for it. For, the Scordisci are not attested as
mercenary soldiers in the service of the Hellenistic kingdoms, who would have brought their
salaries back to their homeland. Moreover, the internecine warfare between the Macedonian
kingdom and the neighbouring Dardanian kingdom (situated between the Scordisci and
Macedonia) seems to have inhibited any direct flow of Macedonian coins northwards –
neither the literary sources nor the archaeological evidence provide any evidence for trade
between Macedonia and the Scordisci. Finally, plundering cannot be considered as a way of
acquiring of coins under consideration, because attacks by the Scordisci started to be intense
only after Macedonia had become a Roman province, i.e. after the Macedonian royal coins
had been taken out of circulation.
The following discussion is focused on the questions of when and why the Macedonian
royal coins arrived in the territory under study, and involves not only numismatic but also
historical considerations. Six large hoards of silver coins from the territory of the Scordisci
provide the main evidence for the consideration of these questions: Jabukovac, Hinova, Slana
Bara, “Southern Serbia” (IGCH 447, 452, 454, 458), Baranda and Krčedin. They are composed of the 4 th
and 3 rd century B.C. Macedonian royal coinages, other Hellenistic royal coinages (e.g., Lysimachean, early Seleucid and Attalid), Athenian 3 rd century coinage, and north Balkan barbarian imitative coinages datable to the end of the 3 rd and beginning of the 2 nd century B.C. - especially the type “Huşi-Vovrieşti” attributed to the Bastarnae.
od google..
na teritorijata na Scordisci (Celts) pronajdeni se moneti i objasneti...
Around the end of the 3 rd century B.C. the Scordisci started issuing their own local
coinages imitating the types of Philip II of Macedon. These coinages were of limited volume
of production and restricted area of circulation, so that their finds are not numerous.
Conversely, the finds of the Macedonian coins in the territory of the Scordisci are much more
numerous than the finds of any of the Scordiscan issues (a topographic map will illustrate the
pattern of coin finds). Coins of the following kings of Macedonia are attested: Philip II (359-
336 B.C.), Alexander III (336-323 B.C.), Philip III (323-316 B.C.), Cassander (306-297
B.C.), Demetrius I Poliorcetes ( 294-288 B.C.), Antigonus Gonatas (277-239 B.C.), Philip V
(220-179 B.C.) and Perseus (178-168 B.C.), as well as the specimens of “Autonomous
Coinage without King’s Name” (issued 188/187–168/167 B.C.). The coins appear in seven
hoards and as numerous isolated finds, mostly discovered on or near the sites of the
Scordiscan settlements datable from the second half of the 3 rd to the beginning of the 1 st
century B.C.
However, the chronology of inflow of these Macedonian coins into the territory of the
Scordisci is uncertain, as well as the reasons for it. For, the Scordisci are not attested as
mercenary soldiers in the service of the Hellenistic kingdoms, who would have brought their
salaries back to their homeland. Moreover, the internecine warfare between the Macedonian
kingdom and the neighbouring Dardanian kingdom (situated between the Scordisci and
Macedonia) seems to have inhibited any direct flow of Macedonian coins northwards –
neither the literary sources nor the archaeological evidence provide any evidence for trade
between Macedonia and the Scordisci. Finally, plundering cannot be considered as a way of
acquiring of coins under consideration, because attacks by the Scordisci started to be intense
only after Macedonia had become a Roman province, i.e. after the Macedonian royal coins
had been taken out of circulation.
The following discussion is focused on the questions of when and why the Macedonian
royal coins arrived in the territory under study, and involves not only numismatic but also
historical considerations. Six large hoards of silver coins from the territory of the Scordisci
provide the main evidence for the consideration of these questions: Jabukovac, Hinova, Slana
Bara, “Southern Serbia” (IGCH 447, 452, 454, 458), Baranda and Krčedin. They are composed of the 4 th
and 3 rd century B.C. Macedonian royal coinages, other Hellenistic royal coinages (e.g., Lysimachean, early Seleucid and Attalid), Athenian 3 rd century coinage, and north Balkan barbarian imitative coinages datable to the end of the 3 rd and beginning of the 2 nd century B.C. - especially the type “Huşi-Vovrieşti” attributed to the Bastarnae.
od google..
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znaci,Makedoncite bile i te kako prisutni do Ungarija...
sto pa imaat vrska sega Keltite?..
pa,spored oficijalnata nauka..
The Scordisci were Celts..
uste pooficijalno..
Celtic tribe that invaded "Greece" during the first part of the 3rd century [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE], finally settling east of Sirmium at the junction of the Savus and the Danube rivers.
They often raided Macedonia, forcing many Roman governors there to campaign against them during the late 2nd and early 1st centuries [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE].
By about 12 [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE], however, they appear to have submitted to Roman control, and under the…
britanika
znaci..
Keltite,koi se isto sto i Scordisci, i koi imale moneti od Filip,Ace,i drugi MK kralevi, koi ziveele vo Panonija,(ama,izgleda sezonski,spored Britannica) ,doagale da smenat MK pari vo Vojvodina i odele da gi potrosat vo Las Vegas,bidejki,trajno se naselile..mnogu podocna ?...
sto pa imaat vrska sega Keltite?..
pa,spored oficijalnata nauka..
The Scordisci were Celts..
uste pooficijalno..
Celtic tribe that invaded "Greece" during the first part of the 3rd century [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE], finally settling east of Sirmium at the junction of the Savus and the Danube rivers.
They often raided Macedonia, forcing many Roman governors there to campaign against them during the late 2nd and early 1st centuries [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE].
By about 12 [SIZE=-1]BC[/SIZE], however, they appear to have submitted to Roman control, and under the…
britanika
znaci..
Keltite,koi se isto sto i Scordisci, i koi imale moneti od Filip,Ace,i drugi MK kralevi, koi ziveele vo Panonija,(ama,izgleda sezonski,spored Britannica) ,doagale da smenat MK pari vo Vojvodina i odele da gi potrosat vo Las Vegas,bidejki,trajno se naselile..mnogu podocna ?...
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ПРАИСТОРИСКИOT КАНДАВСКИ ПАТ
Тајната на Галичица
БЕЛЕГ КАЈ ЉУБАНИШТА
Во подножјето на охридската планина Галичица ,непосредно до езерскиот брег, сместено е селото Љубаништа...
”Патот Виа Игнација (со тоа име е прекрстен од подоцнежните окупатори на МК) постои уште од вториот век пред нашата ера,меѓутоа неговата траса главно се поклопувала со праисторискиот Кандависки пат,кој е многу постар.
Испитувањата покажуваат дека Виа Игнација се протегал од Драч до Константинопол и поминувал низ повеќе делови на денешната територија на Република Македонија.
Претпоставуваме дека еден негов дел кај Радожда се наоѓа на езерското дно,меѓутоа ние знаеме дека тој имал многу пристапни патишта....
Златни маски ја обележале трасата на Кандавскиот пат (Виа Игнација)
АРТЕФАКТИТЕ ОТКРИВААТ НОВА ВИСТИНА ЗА АНТИЧКИТЕ МАКЕДОНСКИ ПРОСТОРИ
“Во близина на некогашната светска магистрала Виа Игнација, која го поврзувала Драч со Константинопол, откриени се 15 златни посмртни маски.
Научните истражувања покажуваат дека тие настанале при крајот на шестиот век и, главно, на почетокот од петтиот век пред нашата ера.
Сам се наметнува заклучокот дека златните маски се карактеристични за античките македонски простори”, вели охридскиот археолог Паско Кузман, објаснувајќи го потеклото на овие непроценливо вредни и неизбришливи белези.
Иако во времето на настанувањето на посмртните златни маски, како што појаснува тој, не постоел пат со име Виа Игнација, туку функционирал праисторискиот Кандависки пат. По истата траса Римјаните подоцна го изградиле многу пофункционалниот Виа Игнација.
”Токму заради тоа ние сега велиме дека златните маски, главно, се наоѓале во близината на Виа Игнација, а не на Кандавискиот пат, што често предизвикува забуна кај обичните луѓе”, појаснува Кузман.
неисе..
по тој пат врвел и Александар со фалангите...
и навистина,тоа,Кандавски пат..забуна,кај обичните луѓе..
сите знаеме дека маски,па биле тие и златни се правеле од метал..
ако побараме што е iron=ayas=as an axe,Lat. {aes},..Mod. Germ. {Eisen}
no,po Kandavskiot pat imalo i rudnici za metalna ruda..
koja se pretvarala vo iron=ayas,ama isto i vo..kanda=
kAndava,kandu
dali misterijata i zabunata e resena?...
resena e..
bidejki,maskite se zlatni,a zlato=gold=kakanda=m. gold L. ; N. of a king L.
не е слично?
ок..тогаш,злато(златна)=zatamAna=any object made of gold which weighs a hсhundred Ma1nas S3Br.
od kade znaeme za ironot?..
pa nekoi..od
MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY OF NEWFOUNDLAND, ST. JOHN=S,
NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA A1B 3X5
ABSTRACT
This paper deals with the word- ' ayas ' used in the Hindu Scriptures.
Many Indologists have concluded that it does not mean iron...
i tamu imalo nekoi si the Phalgu (Pelazgi?)..
koi ziveele koga Bhima (in the Mahabharata) had killed the King of Magadha (za koi nekoi indiski avtori velat deka se Magadha-donci)..
i zborat nesto za..
where iron was smelted during the Megalithic Age - around 2000 BC.
Тајната на Галичица
БЕЛЕГ КАЈ ЉУБАНИШТА
Во подножјето на охридската планина Галичица ,непосредно до езерскиот брег, сместено е селото Љубаништа...
”Патот Виа Игнација (со тоа име е прекрстен од подоцнежните окупатори на МК) постои уште од вториот век пред нашата ера,меѓутоа неговата траса главно се поклопувала со праисторискиот Кандависки пат,кој е многу постар.
Испитувањата покажуваат дека Виа Игнација се протегал од Драч до Константинопол и поминувал низ повеќе делови на денешната територија на Република Македонија.
Претпоставуваме дека еден негов дел кај Радожда се наоѓа на езерското дно,меѓутоа ние знаеме дека тој имал многу пристапни патишта....
Златни маски ја обележале трасата на Кандавскиот пат (Виа Игнација)
АРТЕФАКТИТЕ ОТКРИВААТ НОВА ВИСТИНА ЗА АНТИЧКИТЕ МАКЕДОНСКИ ПРОСТОРИ
“Во близина на некогашната светска магистрала Виа Игнација, која го поврзувала Драч со Константинопол, откриени се 15 златни посмртни маски.
Научните истражувања покажуваат дека тие настанале при крајот на шестиот век и, главно, на почетокот од петтиот век пред нашата ера.
Сам се наметнува заклучокот дека златните маски се карактеристични за античките македонски простори”, вели охридскиот археолог Паско Кузман, објаснувајќи го потеклото на овие непроценливо вредни и неизбришливи белези.
Иако во времето на настанувањето на посмртните златни маски, како што појаснува тој, не постоел пат со име Виа Игнација, туку функционирал праисторискиот Кандависки пат. По истата траса Римјаните подоцна го изградиле многу пофункционалниот Виа Игнација.
”Токму заради тоа ние сега велиме дека златните маски, главно, се наоѓале во близината на Виа Игнација, а не на Кандавискиот пат, што често предизвикува забуна кај обичните луѓе”, појаснува Кузман.
неисе..
по тој пат врвел и Александар со фалангите...
и навистина,тоа,Кандавски пат..забуна,кај обичните луѓе..
сите знаеме дека маски,па биле тие и златни се правеле од метал..
ако побараме што е iron=ayas=as an axe,Lat. {aes},..Mod. Germ. {Eisen}
no,po Kandavskiot pat imalo i rudnici za metalna ruda..
koja se pretvarala vo iron=ayas,ama isto i vo..kanda=
kAndava,kandu
dali misterijata i zabunata e resena?...
resena e..
bidejki,maskite se zlatni,a zlato=gold=kakanda=m. gold L. ; N. of a king L.
не е слично?
ок..тогаш,злато(златна)=zatamAna=any object made of gold which weighs a hсhundred Ma1nas S3Br.
od kade znaeme za ironot?..
pa nekoi..od
MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY OF NEWFOUNDLAND, ST. JOHN=S,
NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA A1B 3X5
ABSTRACT
This paper deals with the word- ' ayas ' used in the Hindu Scriptures.
Many Indologists have concluded that it does not mean iron...
i tamu imalo nekoi si the Phalgu (Pelazgi?)..
koi ziveele koga Bhima (in the Mahabharata) had killed the King of Magadha (za koi nekoi indiski avtori velat deka se Magadha-donci)..
i zborat nesto za..
where iron was smelted during the Megalithic Age - around 2000 BC.
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Walking away
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Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states in the opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander certainly had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) Illyrian, i.e. Albanian, blood!"*
During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:
"There was at that time two capitals of the united kingdom of Macedonia. There was Pela, between Salonika and Manastir, and there was Emadhija**, the old capital, lying in the valley which is now Mati (a high, fertile plateau north of Shkodra, near the coast of northern Albania - ED).
"Alexander's father, Filip the Second had great houses in both Pela and Emadhija, and before Lec i Madhe was born, his mother left Pela and came back to the original capital, Emadhija. It was there that Lec i Madhe was born, and there he lived until he was out of the cradle and rode on a horse when he first went down into Pela to see his father who came from the city to meet and see his son for the first time.
"Filip the Second was very proud of his son, and his pride led him to the one great foolishness of a good and wise king. He said that he would make Lec i Madhe king of the world, and that was well enough, but he thought to be king of the world a man must be more learned than he himself. Whereas all old men who have watched the ways of the world know that to be strong and ruthless will make a man powerful, but to be learned makes a man full of dreams and hesitations.
"In his pride and blindness, Filip the Second sent to Greece for an Albanian who had learned the ways of the ancien Greeks, and to that man he gave the boy, to be taught books. (The Albanian's) name was Aristotle, and he came from a family of the tribe of Ajeropi, his father having gone to a village in Macedonia and became a merchant there. Being rich, he sent his son, who was fond of thought rather than of action, to learn the ancient Greek ways of thinking. And it was this man who was brought by Filip the Second to teach his son."***
P 1, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, W.W. Tarn, Beacon Press, Boston, 1956
"Emadhija" means in Albanian "the great city"
PP 184, 186, 187, PEAKS OF SHALA, Rose Wilder Lane.Harper Brothers & Publishers, New York & London, 1923
Other nationalities , of course, have long laid claim to Alexander the Great as one of their own - most notably the Macedonians and the Greeks. However, as cited so authoritatively in the opening paragraph of Tarn's book, Alexander the Great can be rightfully identified as an Albanian.
During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:
"There was at that time two capitals of the united kingdom of Macedonia. There was Pela, between Salonika and Manastir, and there was Emadhija**, the old capital, lying in the valley which is now Mati (a high, fertile plateau north of Shkodra, near the coast of northern Albania - ED).
"Alexander's father, Filip the Second had great houses in both Pela and Emadhija, and before Lec i Madhe was born, his mother left Pela and came back to the original capital, Emadhija. It was there that Lec i Madhe was born, and there he lived until he was out of the cradle and rode on a horse when he first went down into Pela to see his father who came from the city to meet and see his son for the first time.
"Filip the Second was very proud of his son, and his pride led him to the one great foolishness of a good and wise king. He said that he would make Lec i Madhe king of the world, and that was well enough, but he thought to be king of the world a man must be more learned than he himself. Whereas all old men who have watched the ways of the world know that to be strong and ruthless will make a man powerful, but to be learned makes a man full of dreams and hesitations.
"In his pride and blindness, Filip the Second sent to Greece for an Albanian who had learned the ways of the ancien Greeks, and to that man he gave the boy, to be taught books. (The Albanian's) name was Aristotle, and he came from a family of the tribe of Ajeropi, his father having gone to a village in Macedonia and became a merchant there. Being rich, he sent his son, who was fond of thought rather than of action, to learn the ancient Greek ways of thinking. And it was this man who was brought by Filip the Second to teach his son."***
P 1, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, W.W. Tarn, Beacon Press, Boston, 1956
"Emadhija" means in Albanian "the great city"
PP 184, 186, 187, PEAKS OF SHALA, Rose Wilder Lane.Harper Brothers & Publishers, New York & London, 1923
Other nationalities , of course, have long laid claim to Alexander the Great as one of their own - most notably the Macedonians and the Greeks. However, as cited so authoritatively in the opening paragraph of Tarn's book, Alexander the Great can be rightfully identified as an Albanian.
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ajde be..
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]great=[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]i madh / e madhe
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Great Britain=[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Britani e Madhe (tr. shq. Britania e Madhe)
znaci..
golem grad bi bil..
IJAEMADH
i dosta tresete so toa golemo..
pa,vo celiot svet korenot e od istiot zbor...
a grad vi e zborot [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]qytet:pos2:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]qytet[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]EMADH=EMATIA:pos2:
p.s..
I KADE SE NAOGAL TOJ GREAT GRAD?..
KAJ ALBANOPOLIS?..
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sto da preveduvam koga site razbirate , smesno mi doaga isto ko na primer text napisan na kratovski dijalekt da go preveduvam na literaturno makedonski
Значи дали кратовски дијалект,дали литературен македонски,дали српски или бугарски сеедно... словенски јазик... арно ама античните македонци не зборувале словенски (ова според HERODOTUS)...
Не е спорно тоа дали сте потомци на античките македонци... ама Грците на кои не им одговара да признаат македонски етнос различен од грците имаат силен аргумент, велат вие сте словени...
Јас би рекол дека сте македонци славофони ...
Соберете ги сите зборови старомакедонски и оние кои се употребуваат во современиот литературен македонски јазик кои не се словенски зборови и тоа ќе ви биде добар почеток за потврдување на
вашето македонско потекло... Пример : оџак , кондура , сердар , опинци , кобура не се словенски зборови нели ?...
Според античките писатели,географи,историчари и според повеќето денешни светски историчари,лингвисти,етимолози античките македонци говореле варварски јазик сличен на римскиот(латинскиот)...
Ако добиете државјанство на САД заради позитивна дискриминација трееба да знаете да пишувате и говорите англиски јазик... тоа не ве прави англичани... додуше прифаќањето на словенскиот и на грчкиот јазик од страна на македонците не било баш така доброволно...ама тоа е тоа...
Како споредба арванитскиот јазик е чист албански јазик, се разликува со литературниот албански како српскиот со македонскиот јазик... сепак ако ги прашаш арванитите кој е тој јазик што го говорат велат тоа е старогрчкиот јазик дури и се навредуваат ако ги нарекуваш албанци
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Sqhiptarskoto lazno great-i madrnnnndrnnnn
"great, large;" Gk. megas "great, large;" L. magnus "great, large, much, abundant," major "greater;" M.Ir. mag, maignech "great, large;" M.Welsh meith "long, great").
"great king," from Skt. maha "great" (from PIE base *meg- "great;" see magnate) + rajan "king" (see rajah). The fem. equivalent is maharani (1855).
"large, great," but in precise scientific language "one million" (megaton, megawatt, etc.), from Gk. megas "great, large, mighty" (fem. megale), from PIE *meg- "great" (cf. L. magnus, Goth. mikils, O.E. micel). Mega began to be used alone as an adj. 1982.
"great, large;" Gk. megas "great, large;" L. magnus "great, large, much, abundant," major "greater;" M.Ir. mag, maignech "great, large;" M.Welsh meith "long, great").
"great king," from Skt. maha "great" (from PIE base *meg- "great;" see magnate) + rajan "king" (see rajah). The fem. equivalent is maharani (1855).
"large, great," but in precise scientific language "one million" (megaton, megawatt, etc.), from Gk. megas "great, large, mighty" (fem. megale), from PIE *meg- "great" (cf. L. magnus, Goth. mikils, O.E. micel). Mega began to be used alone as an adj. 1982.
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pa,Arvanitite ne se Shqiptari,toa go svakaat,kolku i da im e mien mozokot..
toa sto vie Shqiptarite,nemajki tuka nikakov koren,lutate da si najdete vrska de so Iliri,de so Dardanci,de so Arvaniti...
Arvanitite se naselile vo GR vo sredniot vek od AL,za toa ima eden ton zapisi,ama toa neznaci deka imaat vrska so Toskite ili pak so Gegite:pos2:,koi vo toa vreme ne ziveele tuka,tuku od Kavkaz do Kurdistan..:nesum:
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Кој тресе ?... Овие од Британската академија ?... Да се чуди чоек... иако ништо чудно за тебе ... ти си учел од српска академија, и си бил добар џак...
... еееј свестете се бре малку... научници од светски академии за вас не се релевантни...
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Историјата и потеклото на албанците од илирите светски е признаена... на твојето потекло треба да и се додаде придавка (словенска) да се разликува од античните македонци...