Стиви Брд рипрезент..
I can make a few definite observations about the Roma and V13. It would appear that all E1b1ba2 Roma haplotypes are probably the result of intermarriage with the local population of the Balkans, at a low but significant percentage. There is no presence whatsoever of V13 in the homeland of the Roma, that is, the Indian subcontinent. This was demonstrated conclusively by Sengupta et al 2006. All V13 haplotypes for the Roma coalesce no earlier than about 1100 A.D., which of course corresponds with their first arrival in the Balkans. H1 is another matter: it represents a much older founding population from the Indian subcontinent.
I think there is a lot of evidence to support the strong association between ethnic Albanians (found in whatever country today) and E-V13. V13 is clearly at least Bronze Age in origin, however it is probably not exclusively associated with the Albanians. Note that it is present in somewhat lower percentages (about 20%) among Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks and Macedonians. So my view is that it represents a much older substrate of the general male population of the southern Balkans (below the Danube), perhaps even of mesolithic origin.
Illyria, Thracian and Dacia didn't exist yet at the time of its introduction to the Balkans... let alone Albania, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria. Anyway that's my present understanding, which could change depending on the evidence, as it accumulates.
А Ј2 и V13 е завршена сторија.
Во врска со Ромите, нештата се многу комплексни, затоа што тие се мешани со сите Европски популации, затоа што има од нив што носат Y хаплогрупа R1b што е распространет низ европа 35000 години порано. Y хаплогрупа R1b во еден добар дел и процент го носат Шпанците, Французите, Британците, Норвежаните, Италијаните, Германците, Швеѓаните итн... Значи е јасно дека имало мешање за време на вековите и ова е причината што често наоѓаме во европа ром со нордиски пропорции: Плав, сини очи, бела кожа итн... Но не само толку, исто така наоѓаме Ромски гени и во хаплогрупите R1a1, значи Славјанската хаплогрупа, H (50%), I (22%) and J2 (14%), and R1b (7%) итн.
Нема чудно, нема што да се чуди човек, често Европските Роми, не се ништо повеќе одошто бастардни рожби на Европејците... На европјаните им годело сексот со Ромкињи, и тоа многу многу многу...
Малку историја за ромите
http://www.crystalinks.com/romapeople.html
Што се тиче у DNA на ромите можеме да прегледаме една студија генетска и ќе имаме тогаш:
Linguistic and genetic evidence indicates the Roma originated on the Indian Subcontinent. Studies of Bulgarian, Baltic and Vlax Roma genetics suggest that about 50% of observed haplotypes belong to Y-chromosomal haplogroup H. Similar studies of the same population with mitochondrial DNA show 50% belong to female mitochondrial haplogroup M. Both of these are widespread across South Asia.</SPAN>
This genetic evidence indicates that approximately half of the gene pool of these studied Roma is similar to that of the surrounding European populations. Specifically, common Y-chromosome (i.e. Male-line) haplogroups are haplogroups H (50%), I (22%) and J2 (14%), and R1b (7%). Common mitochondrial (i.e. Female-line) haplogroups are H (35%), M (26%), U3 (10%), X (7%), other (20%). Whereas male haplogroup H and female M are rare in non-Roma European populations, the rest are found throughout Europe. However female haplogroups U2i and U7 are almost absent from female Roma, but are present in South Asia (11%-35% approx). ..</SPAN>
However, a search of the Yhrd database shows that some Roma populations in Europe have considerable percentages of male haplogroup R1a1.
Што се однесува до личноста која спомена и кажа E3b1, што кај албанците варира најсилно, било баш ромски ген, истата таа личности носи револуционерна одлука, пред се генетска, историска, лингвистичка, и со тоа тектонски промени во светската историја и генетика..
Вика вака...
Албанците се Роми, затоа што носат E3b1, Бугарите се Роми оти и кај нив се забележува исто E3b1, а таму истражувал и барал некој си, банана истражувач..
Роми се и Грците, оти и кај нив варира истото E3b1, и за жал и тие ни се Роми
Јужна Италија врие од Роми, истиот E3b1 е забележан таму и еве Ромите станале и најголеми мафијаши низ Холивуд и Актери, приватно си се нарекуваат и Арбереши.
Опса...
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Англија Роми.... Јаааа
... Многу бе мајката од каде овие Ромиве насекаде...
Roman soldiers in Britain
Significant frequencies of E-V13 have also been observed in towns in
Wales,
England and
Scotland. The old trading town of
Abergele on the northern coast of Wales in particular showed 7 out of 18 local people tested were in this lineage (approximately 40%), as reported in
Weale et al. (2002).
Bird (2007) attributes the overall presence of E-V13 in
Great Britain, especially in areas of high frequency, to settlement during the 1st through 4th centuries CE by
Roman soldiers from the Balkan peninsula. Bird proposes a connection to the modern region encompassing Kosovo, southern Serbia, northern Macedonia and extreme northwestern Bulgaria (a region corresponding to the Roman province of
Moesia Superior), which was identified by
Peričic et al. (2005) as harboring the highest frequency worldwide of this sub-clade
[37].
However, according to data published so far
[38], E-V13 appears to be notably absent in Central England, a fact which Bird (2007) suggests reflects a genuine population replacement of
Romano-British people with
Anglo-Saxons:
The "E3b hole" suggests that either (a) a massive displacement of the native Romano-British population by invasion or, (b) the substantial genetic replacement of Romano-British Y-DNA through an elite dominance ("apartheid") model (Thomas, 2006), has occurred in Central England. Regardless of the mechanism, the Central England region of Britain, with its lack of E3b haplotypes, is the area having the most "striking similarity in the distribution of Y-chromosomes" with Friesland
Thomas et al. (2006).
