Париз до Атина: Банкротиравте? Нема проблем. Купете оружје (oд нас)

Поправи ме ако грешам, ама LOAN не значи помош, туку заем

Eurozone agrees €110bn Greece loans
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a3307762-5616-11df-b835-00144feab49a.html

Ова само за илустрација
Чисто формално си е заем... но доли нема да ги опростат тиja пари след като надворешниот им долг на ГР скокне до 150% и состоjбата може да стане уште поголема...:toe:
Само да наполнам-те взимат нови заеми,за да можат да покриjaт каматите от старите....
Затова ти велам-приемаj го како помошт. Се некоj ке им ги опрости....
 
Чисто формално си е заем... но доли нема да ги опростат тиja пари след като надворешниот им долг на ГР скокне до 150% и состоjбата може да стане уште поголема...:toe:
Само да наполнам-те взимат нови заеми,за да можат да покриjaт каматите от старите....
Затова ти велам-приемаj го како помошт. Се некоj ке им ги опрости....

Абе, сега што ќе биде за 2 месеци, 5 месеци или една година не знам. Само знам дека сега им даваат заеми (со камати), а не неповратна помош. Иако Германците велат дека за 18 месеци Грците пак ќе банкротираат.

German economy minister Rainer Brüderle added to the uncertainty by telling Reuters that the €110bn package was not intended to cover Greece's entire financial requirements for the next three years. Instead, Brüderle suggested, Greece will need to return to the financial markets in perhaps 18 months to satisfy its borrowing needs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/04/markets-give-greek-bailout-lukewarm-reception
 
Поправи ме ако грешам, ама LOAN не значи помош, туку заем


Гоч, нема бесплатно ништо. Подароци ли чекаат? За црните им очи ли? Каматите со што Европа им дава заемите се си директно подарок во споредба со оние кои Грција може да земе во овој момент.
 
Абе, сега што ќе биде за 2 месеци, 5 месеци или една година не знам. Само знам дека сега им даваат заеми (со камати), а не неповратна помош. Иако Германците велат дека за 18 месеци Грците пак ќе банкротираат.
Е како нема да банкрутират,кога до 5-12 месеци ке имат веке 130%-140% надворешен долг....
Тиja зимат заеми да покриjaт камитите от старите заеми....
Има нужда да обеснуваме повеке каква социална трагедиja ке настане во Гр летото,па и мислам и есента....
 
Гоч, нема бесплатно ништо. Подароци ли чекаат? За црните им очи ли? Каматите со што Европа им дава заемите се си директно подарок во споредба со оние кои Грција може да земе во овој момент.

Е како нема да банкрутират,кога до 5-12 месеци ке имат веке 130%-140% надворешен долг....
Тиja зимат заеми да покриjaт камитите от старите заеми....
Има нужда да обеснуваме повеке каква социална трагедиja ке настане во Гр летото,па и мислам и есента....

Тоа е точно, бидејќи тие се на статус JUNK, да не кажам станаа ЃУБРИЊА :pos2:

Како и во секоја економска криза ќе страдаат најсиромашните. Еве дел од тоа што ќе мора да го направат

- Limit of 1000 Euros to 13th and 14th salary in the public sector and abolishing it completely for those earning over 3,000 Euros gross a month.
- Further cuts of 8% on public sector allowances and 3% pay cut for DEKO (public sector utilities) pay cheques.
- Freeze on increases in public sector wages for three (3) years.
- Limit of 800 Euros to 13th and 14th pension installment and abolishing it completely for those pensioners receiving over 2,500 Euros gross a month.
- Return of special tax (LAFKA) on high pensions.
- No changes to the 13th and 14th wage in the private sector.
- Changes planned to the laws governing lay-offs and overtime pay.
- Further extraordinary taxes on profitable enterprises.
- Increases in VAT to 23%, 11% and 5.5%.
- Further 10% rise in taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, and fuels.
- Further 10% increase in luxury taxes.
- Equalisation of men's and women's pension age limits.
- General pension age does not change but a mechanism is introduced to scale them to life expectations changes.
- Limiting the number of insurance funds to three (3).
- Opening up of certain closed professions.
- Increase in the objective prices of real-estate.
- Tax on illegal residences.
- Cancellation of the second installment in the cohesion allowance.
- Creation of a financial stability fund.
 
Веќе имаме ваква тема поставена од мене на 26 април.

Двете теми ќе бидат споени.

Изгледа некој од Македонските медиуми чита кајгана. :wink:
 
Грците немаат пари една пушка да купат па ќе купуваат бродови и авиони, а плус во Грција ситуацијата станува се подраматична поради граѓански немири, а и Берлин им ја одобри помошта на Грција која ќе се спроведува во наредните три години со пари од ЕУ и ММФ, само со цел да се спаси курсот на еврото.
 
Тоа е точно, бидејќи тие се на статус JUNK, да не кажам станаа ЃУБРИЊА :pos2:

Како и во секоја економска криза ќе страдаат најсиромашните. Еве дел од тоа што ќе мора да го направат

- Limit of 1000 Euros to 13th and 14th salary in the public sector and abolishing it completely for those earning over 3,000 Euros gross a month.
- Further cuts of 8% on public sector allowances and 3% pay cut for DEKO (public sector utilities) pay cheques.
- Freeze on increases in public sector wages for three (3) years.
- Limit of 800 Euros to 13th and 14th pension installment and abolishing it completely for those pensioners receiving over 2,500 Euros gross a month.
- Return of special tax (LAFKA) on high pensions.
- No changes to the 13th and 14th wage in the private sector.
- Changes planned to the laws governing lay-offs and overtime pay.
- Further extraordinary taxes on profitable enterprises.
- Increases in VAT to 23%, 11% and 5.5%.
- Further 10% rise in taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, and fuels.
- Further 10% increase in luxury taxes.
- Equalisation of men's and women's pension age limits.
- General pension age does not change but a mechanism is introduced to scale them to life expectations changes.
- Limiting the number of insurance funds to three (3).
- Opening up of certain closed professions.
- Increase in the objective prices of real-estate.
- Tax on illegal residences.
- Cancellation of the second installment in the cohesion allowance.
- Creation of a financial stability fund.
E sto tolku teski uslovi pa pak si zimat 13 i14 plata :toe::toe:
 
Станува поинтересно...прочитајте,најверојатно западното грчко оружје ќе биде без соодветно одржување па оттука и неговата ефикасност е компромитирана.
Defense a Victim of Greek Tragedy?

Forecast International assesses effects of budget cuts on Greek defense

01:27 GMT, May 7, 2010 NEWTOWN, Conn. | While Greek citizens struggle to accept the reforms needed to rectify the country's long-standing structural and fiscal problems, questions persist as to what will be cut in exchange for a three-year EUR110 billion ($145 billion) bailout package from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund. While it is known that retirement ages will be raised, the pension system reformed, and the public sector reduced, it is not known exactly how the expected wide-ranging government budget cuts will affect Greek defense.

Despite the country's tip into recession and the government's knowledge of the rapidly approaching twin debt/deficit crisis, the Greek defense budget actually rose nominally by 6.9 percent in 2009 from EUR5.81 billion to EUR6.24 billion ($8.67 billion). Such a reoccurrence is unlikely in the future, as the Greek budget deficit - over 13 percent of GDP in 2009 - must be shrunk down to the 3 percent ceiling mandated by the EU under its Stability & Growth Pact eurozone rules by 2014. That date was set by the EU and IMF as part of its bailout agreement.

Already the 2010 defense budget has been reduced, albeit slightly, down to EUR6 billion ($7.85 billion), or roughly 2.8 percent of GDP. The latter figure represents the highest annual allocation in real terms among all of Europe's NATO member states. By comparison, the two highest nominal defense spenders in Europe - the U.K. and France - allocate 2.3 and 2 percent, respectively, toward their militaries on an annual basis. Like Greece, these countries face serious budget deficit and national debt crises on the horizon and will be forced by fiscal reality to curtail future defense budget growth.

“As part of the sharp austerity measures confronting Greece, the armed forces will have to accept the bad-tasting medicine the rest of the country is being forced to swallow in order to spare the nation from bankruptcy,” said FI's European Defense Analyst Dan Darling. “How severe the budgetary shrinkage will be remains to be seen, but with the Greek economy expected to contract by up to 4 percent this year and again in 2011, the reality is that meeting the current investment level of 2.8 percent of GDP is a near impossibility.”

At the same time, Greece's traditional unease with neighboring Turkey ensures that defense spending will not suffer the deep chop of Athens' budgetary axe. Turkey has emerged over the last decade as a growing regional power and despite a rapprochement between the two countries, lingering issues remain involving territorial disagreements and questions about the diplomatic status of Turkish-controlled northern Cyprus. Though Turkish officials have insisted that Greece continues to perpetuate an irrational fear of a Turkish threat, Hellenic distrust of its Anatolian neighbors runs deep. While trade has increased over the years and cross-political and military visits have occurred, territorial incursions by the Turks in the Aegean continue.

Though alleviating tensions with Turkey will help ease the Greek defense budgetary crunch, it will not eliminate it altogether. Despite their shared NATO membership, Greece will continue to view Turkey as its principal strategic threat, and unless Ankara reciprocates with hard evidence of a military climb-down (reducing its air and sea presence from disputed territory, removing forces from northern Cyprus, shrinking its defense budget), Athens will no doubt feel it necessary to maintain a worthy state of military preparedness.

The problem for Greece will come primarily in its defense equipment budget. Under its two medium-term defense armament programs (referred to as the EMPAE) approved in July 2006, the Greek defense establishment planned to invest a total EUR26.8 billion ($39.4 billion) toward equipment procurement and maintenance. However, the bulk of the first-term (2006-2010) program money (EUR11.4 billion, $16.7 billion) was used to pay off debt for equipment procured under a previous EMPAE. The second program, covering the period from 2011-2015, planned on a EUR15.4 billion ($22.7 billion) budget. Instead, what remains for the second-term budget will likely be used much like its predecessor - to pay off debts accrued under the preceding EMPAE.

IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn insisted on May 2 that traditional levels of Greek defense investment will be "clearly reduced" under the austerity measures implemented by the government as part of the agreed-upon bailout. But with lingering modernization programs (namely for multipurpose frigates, advanced trainers, and new-generation fighters) and unfortunate geography requiring heavy air and sea surveillance, the Greek defense budget can only be slashed so much. Expecting it to fall by much more than 10 percent over the coming three years might prove untenable. A 20 percent reduction would bring annual allocations through 2013 down below EUR5 billion.

“The benefits of such budgetary thriftiness would be felt more in Ankara than in Athens, as this would allow Turkey to continue increasing its geopolitical influence eastward and southward into its former Ottoman domain,” said Darling.

Ај и линк
 
Ќе купуваат две германски подморници за милијарда евра, кои, според началникот на гејската морнарица, не се потребни. :)

Submarine Sinks Greek Budget

ATHENS—As Greece slashes spending to avoid default, it hasn’t moved to skimp on one area: defense. The deeply indebted Mediterranean nation, whose financial crisis roiled the global financial system this year, is spending more than a billion euros on two submarines from Germany.

It’s also looking to spend big on six frigates and 15 search-and-rescue helicopters from France. In recent years, Greece has bought more than two dozen F16 fighter jets from the U.S. at a cost of more than €1.5 billion.
Arne Lutkenhorst

Among Greece’s questioned costs is more than a billion euros on new submarines.

Much of the equipment comes from Germany, the country that has had to shoulder most of the burden of bailing out Greece and has been loudest in condemning Athens for living beyond its means. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has admonished the Greek government “to do its homework” on debt reduction.

The military deals illustrate how Germany and other creditors have in some ways benefited from Greece’s profligacy, and how that is coming back to haunt them.

Greece, with a population of just 11 million, is the largest importer of conventional weapons in Europe—and ranks fifth in the world behind China, India, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea. Its military spending is the highest in the European Union as a percentage of gross domestic product. That spending was one of the factors behind Greece’s stratospheric national debt.

The German submarine deal in particular, announced in March as the country lurched toward bankruptcy, has cast a spotlight on the Greek military budget and on the foreign vendors supplying the hardware. The deal includes a total of six subs in a complicated transaction that began a decade ago with German firms.

The arms sales are drawing heat from Turkey, Greece’s neighbor and arch-rival. “Even those countries trying to help Greece at this time of difficulty are offering to sell them new military equipment,” said Egemen Bagis, Turkey’s top European Union negotiator, shortly after the sub deal was announced. “Greece doesn’t need new tanks or missiles or submarines or fighter planes, neither does Turkey.”


Greece’s deputy prime minister, Theodore Pangalos, said during an Athens visit in May by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that he felt “forced to buy weapons we do not need,” and that the deals made him feel “national shame.”

http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/?p=5061

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