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Што треба да поседува еден аргумент за да биде "мој"?Токму тоа и јас го велам. Повели наведи аргументи за тоа што го тврдиш. Ако немаш свои аргументи, тогаш наведи ги аргументите на твоите авторитети. Не е аргумент ако речеш: „Тоа е така затоа што Чак Норис рече дека е така!“ Затоа што јас можам да ти го цитирам Супермен како вели дека не е така и сеа шо праиме? Така е или не е така? Или пак ќе ги замолиме Чак Норис и Супермен да се буткаат на рака, па кој победи тој бил во право
И дали ти воопшто го прочита целиот текст на википедија, па што сега бараш аргументи од авторитетите кој стојат зад информацијата која ја постирав? Ако си го прочитал, би требало да ги забележиш, еве ќе ти цитирам дел:
Interruption to the text
The paragraph before the Testimonium flows naturally into the paragraph after it, which might indicate either that the entire paragraph is a later insertion, or that it was substantially rewritten. As Guiguebert put it, "the short digression, even with the proposed corrections, interrupts the thread of the discourse into which it is introduced".[61] On the other hand, this argument has been rejected as inconclusive or unconvincing by some modern scholars, who have argued that Josephus was a "patchwork" writer, who often employed such digressive techniques, inserting passages, sometimes based on barely revised sources, that do not fit smoothly with, and sometimes even contradict, surrounding narratives
Josephus's faith
It is often argued that "He was [the] Christ" can only be read as a profession of faith, and Josephus was almost certainly not a Christian, instead remaining a conventional Jew; Josephus's lack of Christianity was even mentioned by early Christian writers before Eusebius, such as Origen[63] (as noted above). For example, John Dominic Crossan has put it this way: The problem here is that Josephus' account is too good to be true, too confessional to be impartial, too Christian to be Jewish.[64]
Consequently, some scholars regard at least certain parts of the Testimonium as later additions. In particular three passages stood out[64]:
The phrase "he was the Christ" has been viewed as particularly problematic because it seems to indicate that the author thought that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. Some scholars have argued that Josephus thought that Jewish messianic promises were fulfilled in Vespasian,[65] and view it as unlikely that Josephus would explain too clearly or underline too sharply the existence of alternative messianic fulfilments before Vespasian.[66] In contrast, it has been argued by some[67] that the phrase "he was the Christ" was meant as an identification only, rather than an assertion of Jesus' Messiahship, since the audience for the work were Romans of the late 1st century, and the earliest extant Roman writers, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger, writing shortly after Josephus in the early 2nd century, identify Jesus as Christus, rather than Jesus, without implying anything about Jesus' Messianic status.
- if it be lawful to call him a man …
- He was [the] Christ …
- for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him
In addition, although the standard text says "he was the Christ", a recent study by Alice Whealey has argued that a variant Greek text of this sentence existed in the 4th century — He was believed to be the Christ;[68] following Whealey's argument, the standard text would represent a corruption of the original, namely the loss of the main verb and a subsequent scribal "correction" of the prolative infinitive.
Alleged fabrication by Eusebius
Ken Olson has argued that the Testimonium was fabricated by Eusebius of Caesarea, who was the first author to quote it in his Demonstratio Evangelica.[72] Olson argues that the specific wording of the Testimonium is closely related to the argument Eusebius makes in his Demonstratio, in particular that Jesus is a "wise man" and not a "wizard", as shown by the fact that his followers did not desert him even after he was crucified. Whealey rejects Olson's thesis of Eusebian fabrication based on a comparison of the Testimonium's style with that of Eusebius' undisputed works, and the fact that there is no known case of complete fabrication ex nihilo by Eusebius of any other text that he quotes in his works.[73]
Modern stylometric studies, which use a concordance of Josephus' works that did not exist before the 20th century, has revealed some Josephan vocabulary and phrases (see above). As a consequence, it has more recently been argued that even "some proponents of the forgery thesis would agree that it is a good one" (i.e. good forgery).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-73