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Ако правиме паралела со конфликтот со Сирија, реално кажано Турција може да се вмеша. Ама едно е сигурно, ова говори за состојбата на терен.
Повторно Нагорно Карабах ?
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TheGhegClan
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Ova bese vo stepanakert, vidov mnogu drugi sliki i od drugi vojni i site izgledaat isto neam poima.
jamajka
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Сва среќа за Алијев, иначе немаше веќе што да лаже пред своите.
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Го виде историскиот сегмент?
Што и да е друго спорно, домородниот статус на Ерменците не е спорен.
Автоматски споено мислење:
Инаку еве како Азербејџан (посредно, со продавање услуги за шверцање оружје) е вмешан во настаните поврзани со Блискиот Исток и ИСИС:
Leaked Documents Expose How US and Gulf Allies Send Weapons to Terrorists Under Diplomatic Cover -- Sott.net
Bulgarian investigative journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva has been fired from her job at the Trud newspaper in Bulgaria after reporting how the CIA (and others) run a covert operation where US defense contractors are used to procure weapons from...
www.sott.net
TheGhegClan
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Nikoj ne go osporuva domorodniot status nitu Azerite no vo analizata isto taka kazuva kako ermencite sprovele etnicko cistenje na 1 milion azeri
early 1990s they cleansed those lands of literally all Azerbaijanis, something like between 700,000 and 1 million people).”
Автоматски споено мислење:
Dodusa ova e sreka za pashinyan koj celo vreme bara primirje pa eve konecno da zdivne inaku kako i da zavrsi ova on veke e vo nevolja
Автоматски споено мислење:
Se povlekuvaat "takticki" (ova e poradi udarite nad logistikata i liniite na snabduvanje spored stranski izvori)
Армијата на Карабах спроведува тактичко повлекување во голем број делови на контактната линија: прес-секретар на лидерот на НКР
НТВ
@ntvru
Карабахскаја армија проводит тактическое отступление на рјаде участков линии соприкосновенија — пресс-секретарь главы НКР
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Стварно?
Автоматски споено мислење:
Верувај, ако Русија не им забие нож во грб на Ерменија и НК, азерите нема да победат ни после 100 години! И Ердо да го земат на фронт толку им е!
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Nemoj od vakvi portali molim te epten perverzni lagi kao demek azer i isis link znaci ne sme do toj stepen znaeme da analizirame vesti. A za sverc na oruzje toa go pravat site eve ti ja srbija vo bliski istok nivno oruzje zavrsuva vo racete na sekakvi grupi mislam nebitno se slucuva vo svetski ramki.Го виде историскиот сегмент?
Што и да е друго спорно, домородниот статус на Ерменците не е спорен.
Автоматски споено мислење:
Инаку еве како Азербејџан (посредно, со продавање услуги за шверцање оружје) е вмешан во настаните поврзани со Блискиот Исток и ИСИС:
Leaked Documents Expose How US and Gulf Allies Send Weapons to Terrorists Under Diplomatic Cover -- Sott.net
Bulgarian investigative journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhieva has been fired from her job at the Trud newspaper in Bulgaria after reporting how the CIA (and others) run a covert operation where US defense contractors are used to procure weapons from...
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Генерално одамна не е виден ваков интензитет на борби. Премногу самоуверено влезе Азербејџан, А Ерменциве се пример за сите мали народи дека не е важно колку си мал, туку колку си спремен да се браниш.
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Што е проблем со текстот/сајтот?
Немој сега содржината ако не ти се допаѓа, да го напаѓаш медиумот.
Не е само Србија, туку и Бугарија, Чешка, и други земји од источна Европа... Азербејџанците (националната авио компанија, и воената авијација) овде се само во улога на транспортери. Друг купува, а они пренесуваат, а оружјето завршува кај терористи... Поврзано е со темава од аспект документирање на поврзаноста на Азербејџан (посредна поврзаност додуше) со терористите од ИСИС кои иако Сунити сега за пари се ангажирани да војуваат и да гинат за азерските Шиити (кои нели се секташи, малтене кафири).
За поврзаноста пишува и во текстот од asiatimes.com кој нели ти се допадна.
TheGhegClan
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Nema posredna povrzanost toa mi e poentata inaku po taa logika treba mnogu drzavi koi transportiraat oruzje plateno od usa i ksa da imaat povrzanost kako i da e ova e javna tajna taka da ne bi navlegol tolku dlaboko za da dokazam deka ednite ili drugite se losite momci vo kontekst na toa sto se desava momentalno.
Vanlok
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Таман работа, тоа кои се „добри и лоши“ им го оставам на други ама секако ме интересираат фактите. Посебно кога се работи за фасцинантно интересни моменти како Сунити кои гинат за Шиити, па макар и за пари.
Еве уште еден интересен текст, пократок ама појасен за разбирање:
Is The War Over Nagorno-Karabakh Already At A Stalemate?
Seven days after Azerbaijan attacked the Armenian held Nagorno-Karabakh territory it has not made any territorial progress.
Overview map
Iran and Georgia have both large Azeri and Armenian minorities within their territories.
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Detail map
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The highlands of Nagorno-Karabakh are ethnically Armenian. The light blue districts were originally Azeri but have been ethically cleansed during the war in the early 1990s.
Turkey is supporting Azerbaijan by supplying it with Turkish drones and with 'moderate Syrian rebel' mercenaries from Syrian and Libya. All are flown in through Georgian air space. Other mercenaries seem to come from Afghanistan. Additional hardware comes by road also through Georgia. Another supporter of the attacker is Israel. During the last week Azerbaijani military transport aircraft have flown at least six times to Israel to then return with additional Israeli suicide drones on board. These Harop drones have been widely used in attacks on Armenian positions. An Israeli made LORA short range ballistic missile was used by Azerbaijan to attack a bridge that connects Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia. Allegedly there are also Turkish flown F-16 fighter planes in Azerbaijan.
Turkey seems to direct the drones and fighter planes in Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh through AWACS type air control planes that fly circles at the Turkish-Armenian border.
The attack plan Azerbaijan had in mind when it launched the war foresaw taking zones of several miles per day. It has not survived the first day of battle. Azerbaijan started the attack without significant artillery preparation. The ground attack was only supported by drone strikes on Armenian tanks, artillery and air defense positions. But the defensive lines held by Armenian infantry were not damaged by the drones. The dug in Armenian infantry could use its anti-tank and anti-infantry weapons to full extent. Azerbaijani tanks and infantry were slaughtered when they tried to break into the lines. Both sides had significant casualties but overall the frontlines did not move.
The war seems already to be at a stalemate. Neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan can afford to use air power and ballistic missiles purchased from Russia without Russian consent.
The drone attacks were for a while quite successful. A number of old air defense systems were destroyed before the Armenians became wiser with camouflaging them. The Azerbaijani's then used a trick to unveil hidden air defense positions. Radio controlled Antonov AN-2 airplanes, propeller driven relicts from the late 1940s, were sent over Armenian positions. When the air defense then launched a missile against them a loitering suicide drone was immediately dropped onto the firing position.
That seems to have worked for a day or two but by now such drone attacks have been become rare. Dozens of drones were shot down before they could hit a target and Azerbaijan seems to be running out of them. A bizarre music video the Azerbaijanis posted showed four trucks each carrying nine drones. It may have had several hundreds of those drones but likely less than one thousand. Israel is currently under a strict pandemic lockdown. Resupply of drones will be an issue. Azerbaijan has since brought up more heavy artillery but it seems to primarily use it to hit towns and cities, not the front lines where it would be more useful.
It is not clear who is commanding the Azerbaijani troops. Three days ago the Chief of the General Staff of Azerbaijan was fired after he complained about too much Turkish influence on the war. That has not helped. Two larger ground attacks launched by Azerbaijan earlier today were also unsuccessful. The Armenians are currently counter attacking.
In our last piece on the war we pointed to U.S. plans to 'overextend Russia' by creating trouble in the Caucasus just as it is now happening. Fort Russ notes:
Before President Trump stopped the program the CIA had used the Azerbaijani Silk Way Airlines in more than 350 flights to bring weapons from Bulgaria to Turkey to then hand them to 'Syrian rebels'. Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, is not only a CIA station but also a Mossad center for waging its silent war against Iran.
The former Indian ambassador to Turkey M.K. Bhadrakumar has written two interesting pieces on the current conflict. In the first one he reminds us on the 2018 color revolution in Armenia which he had thought meant trouble for Moscow.
I have never perceived it that way. While Armenia's current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan tried to get into business with 'western' powers and NATO there was no way he could fundamentally change Armenia's foreign policy. A hundred years ago Turkey, with the second biggest NATO army, had genocided Armenians. They have never forgotten that. The relation to Azerbaijan were also certain to continue to be hostile. That will only change if the two countries again come under some larger empire. Armenia depends on Russian arms support just as much as Azerbaijan does. (Azerbaijan has more money and pays more for its Russian weapons which allows Russia to subsidize the ones it sells to Armenia.)
After Nikol Pashinyan was installed and tried to turn 'west' Russia did the same as it did in Belarus when President Lukashenko started to make deals with the 'west'. It sat back and waited until the 'west' betrayed its new partners. That happened in Belarus a few weeks ago. The U.S. launched a color revolution against Lukashenko and he had nowhere to turn to but to Russia. Now Armenia is under attack by NATO supported forces and can not hope for help from anywhere but Russia.
Iran likewise did not fear the new government in Yerevan. It was concerned over Pashinyan’s recent diplomatic exchanges with Israel which were at the initiative of the White House. But that concern has now been lifted. To protest against Israel's recent sale of weapon to Azerbaijan Armenia has called back its ambassador from Israel just two weeks after it opened its embassy there.
Pashinyan will have to apologize in Moscow before Russia will come to his help. As Maxim Suchkov relays:
Russia's (and Iran's) interest is to refreeze the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh. But that requires compliant people on both sides. It therefore does not mind that Azerbaijan currently creates some pressure on Pashinyan. But it can not allow Azerbaijan to make a significant victory. One of its main concern will be to get Turkey out of the game and that will require support for Armenia. Iran has a quite similar strategy. The U.S. will probably try to escalate the situation and to make it more complicated for Russia. It seems to silently tell Turkey to increase its involvement in the war.
Russia will likely only intervene if either side makes some significant territorial gains. Unless that happens it will may well allow the war to continue in the hope that it will burn out:
Posted by b on October 3, 2020 at 17:28 UTC | Permalink
TheGhegClan
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Fascinantnite interesni momenti tie ne se dokazani nitu dokumentirani toa e del od propagandata na ermencite ako ti imas solidni dokazi pokazi gi. Aliyev kaza jasno imame sto iljadi vojnici takvite glasini se lagi ako imate dokazi povelete” no ete takvite kako tebe uporni za nesto sto ne egzistira. Eve ermencite vikast taka i ti poveruva i go kazuvas istoto dokazi? Nema
Azerbaijan denies Turkey sent it fighters from Syria
Denial comes after Armenian envoy to Russia says some 4,000 fighters from Syria took part in hostilities after being deployed by Turkey.
But both Azerbaijan and Turkey have denied the presence of Syrian rebels in the conflict -- something that Aliyev maintained in his Al Jazeera interview, adamant that no such fighters were in the country.
Aliyev urged French President Emmanuel Macron to provide proof that Syrian mercenaries were fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh, saying, "He made the statements without any evidence. Let him give us evidence. Let him give us proof."
TheGhegClan
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Pashinyan pak Bara vojnici
Armenia's Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has called on conscripts demobilized within the last year to voluntarily sign up for military service since according to Armenian legislation they are not subject to general mobilization.
Live updates: https://bit.ly/2SrJnin
Armenia's Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has called on conscripts demobilized within the last year to voluntarily sign up for military service since according to Armenian legislation they are not subject to general mobilization.
Live updates: https://bit.ly/2SrJnin