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Kada je um tužan, vi možete da se setite da je to samo gramofonska

ploca. Odredena situacija pritiska dugme na daljinskom upravljacu i vi osecate tugu, bes,

frustraciju, zabrinutost, napetost - sva ova osecanja dolaze spolja, a um na njih reaguje. Ali vi

ste posmatrac, nemate nikakvu ulogu. To nije vaša reakcija.

Stoga je cela umetnost meditacije da naucite da budete svesni, da budete u pripravnosti.

Kada osecate bes, nemojte ga potiskivati; neka bude tu. Samo ga budite svesni. Posmatrajte

ga kao da je neki predmet koji se nalazi izvan vas. Polako presecajte veze identifikacije sa

svojim umom. Tada cete pronaci svoju pravu licnost, svoje bice, svoju dušu.

Kada otkrijete ovu svest, postacete prosvetljeni - postajete sve-tlosno bice. Više se ne nalazite

u mraku, i više niste samo marioneta u rukama uma. Vi ste gospodar, ne sluga. Sada um ne

može da reaguje automatski, svojevoljno, kao što je to radio ranije. Potrebna mu je vaša

dozvola

Osho - Zdrav emotivni zivot http://www.4shared.com/document/Mkapv4Vd/Osho_-_Zdrav_emotivni_zivot.html
 
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Zaronite duboko u svoju unutrašnjost i naći ćete svetlos koja je vaš pravi život, baš vaš život.
Od te svetlosti smo stvoreni i od nje je stvoren ceo svet.
 
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And unless the divine is your experience, the belief is futile. It is not going to help you; on the

contrary it may hinder you, because just by believing in it you deceive yourself that somehow you

have known it. The belief becomes the deception. It doesn’t become an opening, it closes you.

It makes you knowl-edgeable without knowing it; it gives you a feeling of knowledge without any

intimate experience of it.



Remember, untruth is not such a great hindrance as the belief in the truth. If you believe you stop

seeking; if you believe you have already taken it for granted. It cannot be so. You will have to pass

through a mutation; really you will have to die and be born again. Unless the seed that you are dies,

the new life cannot sprout out of it. Belief becomes a barrier; it gives you a false assurance that

you have known – but that is all you have got. Belief is just borrowed. A Buddha says something,

a Jesus says something, or a Mohammed, and then we go on following it, believing in it. This can

create such a situation within you that the distant will appear close and the closest will continue to

appear distant – it creates an illusory mind.



I have heard one Sufi story. Once it happened that a fish in the ocean heard somebody talking about

the ocean, and the fish heard for the first time that there exists something like the ocean. She started

to search, she started to ask and inquire, but nobody knew where the ocean was. She asked many

fish, great and small, known and unknown, famous and not so famous, but nobody was capable of

answering where the ocean is. They all said they have heard about it; they all said, ”Sometime in

the past our ancestors knew it – it is written in the scriptures.” And the ocean was all around! They

were in the ocean; they were talking, living in the ocean.



Sometimes it happens that the closest, the nearest, is so obvious that you can forget it. The nearest

is so near that you cannot look at it, because even to look at something a certain distance is needed,

space is needed. And there is no space between you and the divine; there is no space between the

fish and the ocean – no gap. The fish is part of the ocean, just like a wave; or the ocean is just the

infinite spread of the being of the fish. They are not two; they exist together, their being is joined

together. Their bodies may appear different but their inner spirit is one, it is unitary.



The same is the situation with us. We go on asking about God – whether God exists or not – and we

argue much for and against. Some believe, some disbelieve; some say it is just a myth and some

say it is the only truth, but they all depend on scriptures, nobody has an immediate experience.

When I say immediate experience I mean experience that has grown into you, or into which you

have grown... intimate, so intimate that you cannot feel where you end and that experience begins.



God cannot be an object of any search; he remains the very subjectivity. You are not going to find

him somewhere because he is everywhere, and if you start looking for him somewhere you will not

find him anywhere. All that is, is divine. God just means the whole existence, the totality, the ocean

that surrounds you, the ocean of life.
 
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Osho on Pain and identification with Pain

Question: Can you please talk about pain and our identification with it?
Osho: The witnessing self is never felt. We always feel some identity; we always feel some identification. And the witnessing consciousness is the reality. So why does this happen? And how does this happen? You are in pain -- what is really happening inside? Analyze the whole phenomenon: the pain is there, and there is this consciousness that pain is there. These are the two points: the pain is there, and there is this consciousness that the pain is there. But there is no gap, and somehow: "I am in pain" -- this feeling happens -- "I am in pain."

And not only this -- sooner or later: "I am the pain" begins, happens, starts to be the feeling. "I am pain; I am in pain; I am aware of the pain" -- these are three different, very different states. The rishi says: "I am aware of the pain." This much can be allowed, because then you transcend pain. The awareness transcends -- you are different from the pain, and there is a deep separation.

Really, there has never been any relation; the relation begins to appear only because of the nearness, because of the intimate nearness of your consciousness and all that happens around. Consciousness is so near when you are in pain -- it is just there by the side, very near. It has to be; otherwise, the pain cannot be cured. It has to be just near to feel it, to know it, to be aware about it. But because of this nearness, you become identified, and one. This is a safety measure again; this is a security measure, a natural security.

When there is pain you must be near; when there is pain your consciousness must go in a rush towards the pain -- to feel it, to do something about it. You are on the street and suddenly you feel a snake there -- then your whole consciousness just becomes a jump. No moment can be lost, not even in thinking what to do. There is no gap between being aware and the action. You must be very near; only then this can happen. When your body is suffering pain, disease, illness, you must be near; otherwise, life cannot survive.

If you are far off and the pain is not felt, then you will die. The pain must be felt immediately -- there should be no gap. The message must be received immediately, and your consciousness must go to the spot to do something. That's why nearness is a necessity. But because of this necessity, the other phenomenon happens: so near, you become one; so near, you begin to feel: "This is me -- this pain, this pleasure." Because of nearness there is identification: you become anger, you become love, you become pain, you become happiness.

The rishi says that there are two ways to disassociate yourself from these false identities. You are not what you have been thinking, feeling, imagining, projecting; what you are is simply the fact of being aware. Whatsoever happens, you remain just the awareness. You are awareness -- that identity cannot be broken, that identity cannot be negated. All else can be negated and thrown; awareness remains the ultimate substratum, the ultimate base. You cannot deny it, you cannot negate it, you cannot disassociate yourself from it.

So this is the process: That which cannot be thrown, that which cannot be made separate from you, is you; that which can be separated, you are not. The pain is there; a moment later it may not be there -- but you will be. Happiness has come, and it will go; it has been, and it will not be -- but you will be. The body is young, then the body becomes old. All else comes and goes -- guests come and go -- but the host remains the same. So the Zen mystics say: Do not be lost in the crowd of the guests. Remember your host-ness. That host-ness is awareness.

That host-ness is the witnessing consciousness. What is the basic element that remains always the same in you? Only be that, and disidentify yourself from all that comes and goes. But we become identified with the guest. Really the host is so occupied with the guest, he forgets.

Mulla Nasruddin has given a party for some friends and some strangers. The party is very boring, and half the night is just lost and it goes on. So one stranger, not knowing that Mulla is the host, says to him: "I have never seen such a party, such nonsense. It seems never-ending, and I am so bored that I would like to leave."

Mulla says: "You have said what I was going to say to you. I myself have never seen such a boring and nonsense party before, but I was not so courageous as you are. I was also thinking to leave it and just run away." So they both run.

Then, in the street Mulla remembers and says: "Something has gone wrong, because now I remember: I am the host! So please excuse me, I have to go back."

This is happening to us all. The host is lost, the host is forgotten every moment. The host is your witnessing self. Pain comes and pleasure follows; there is happiness, and there is misery. And each moment, whatsoever comes you are identified with it, you become the guest.

Remember the host. When the guest is there, remember the host. And there are so many types of guests: pleasurable, painful; guests you would like, guests you would not like to be your guests; guests you would like to live with, guests you would like to avoid -- but all guests. Remember the host. Constantly remember the host. Be centered in the host. Remain in your host-ness; then there is a separation.

Then there is a gap, an interval -- the bridge is broken. The moment this bridge is broken, the phenomenon of renunciation happens. Then you are in it, and not of it. Then you are there in the guest, and still a host. You need not escape from the guest - there is no need.

Source: from book "From Medication to Meditation" by Osho

--- надополнето ---

In meditation, the distraction is often physical pain. Would you talk about meditating on pain while pain is happening?

This is what I was talking about. If you feel pain be attentive to it, don’t do anything. Attention is the great sword – it cuts everything. You simply pay attention to the pain.

For example, you are sitting silently in the last part of the meditation, unmoving, and you feel many problems in the body. You feel the leg is going dead, there is some itching in the hand, you feel ants are creeping on the body and you have looked many times – there are no ants. The creeping is inside, not outside. What should you do? You feel the leg is going dead – be watchful, just pay total attention to it. You feel itching – don’t scratch, that will not help. Just pay attention. Don’t even open your eyes. Just pay attention inwardly and just wait and watch, and within seconds the itching will disappear. Whatsoever happens – even if you feel pain, severe pain in the stomach or in the head… It is possible, because in meditation the whole body changes. It changes its chemistry. New things start happening; the body is in a chaos. Sometimes the stomach will be affected because in the stomach you have suppressed many emotions, and they are all stirred. Sometimes you will feel like vomiting, nausea. Sometimes you will feel a severe pain in the head because the meditation is changing the inner structure of your brain. You are really in a chaos passing through meditation. Soon things will settle. But, for the time being, everything will be unsettled.

So what are you to do? Simply see the pain in the head; watch it. Be a watcher. Just forget that you are a doer, and by and by everything subsides and subsides so beautifully and so gracefully that you cannot believe it unless you know it. And it is not only that the pain disappears from the head: if the energy which was creating pain is watched, the pain disappears and the same energy becomes pleasure. The energy is the same. Pain and pleasure are two dimensions of the same energy. If you can remain silently sitting and paying attention to distractions, all distractions disappear. And when all distractions disappear, you will suddenly become aware that the whole body has disappeared.

In fact, what was happening? Why were these things happening? And when you don’t meditate they don’t happen. You are there the whole day and the hand never itches, the head has no pain and the stomach is perfect and the legs are okay. Everything is okay. What was really happening? Why do these things suddenly start in meditation?

The body has remained the master for so long, and in meditation you are throwing the body out of its mastery. You are dethroning it. It clings; it tries in every way to remain the master. It will create many things to distract you so the meditation is lost; you are thrown off balance and the body is again on the throne. Up to now, the body has remained the master and you have been a slave. Through meditation, you are changing the whole thing; it is a great revolution. And, of course, no ruler wants to be thrown out of his power.

The body plays politics – that’s what is happening. When she creates imaginary pain, itching, ants creeping, the body is trying to distract you. And it is natural, because the body has remained in rule for so long, for many lives it has been the emperor and you have been the slave. Now you are changing everything upside down. You are reclaiming your throne, and it is natural the body will try whatsoever it can do to disturb you. If you get disturbed, you are lost. Ordinarily, people suppress these things. They will start chanting a mantra; they will not look at the body.

I am not teaching you any sort of suppression. I teach only awareness. Just watch, pay attention, and because it is false, immediately it will disappear. When all the pains and itches and ants have disappeared and the body has settled in its right place of being a slave, suddenly so much bliss arises you cannot contain it. Suddenly so much celebration arises in the being you cannot express; you are overflowing with a peace that passeth understanding, a bliss which is not of this world.
 
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"Power over others is destructive — always destructive.
In a better world anybody who is ambitious, who wants to be more important than others, ahead of others, should be treated psychologically." Osho
Хахахаххахх
 

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Nikada Rođen
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Samo posjetio
Planetu Zemlju između
11. Decembra 1931. i 19. Januara 1990.
 
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“Live consciously - whatever you are doing- walking, sitting, eating....
or, if you don’t do anything, just breathing, relaxing, laying in the
gras- never forget, that you are the watcher. Make it an ongoing
process….you will be surprised, how your life changes in its entire
quality”
 
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"Meditation is only a methodology to make you aware that your only disease is your ego, and your only health is egolessness." OSHO
 
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Truth cannot be sought - one can simply be receptive, that´s all. One can open the doors and wait. One can say only this much, “If the divine guest comes, you will be received, welcomed. I don´t know who you are, and I don´t know your address and I cannot even send an invitation. But whosoever you are, and whomsoever it concerns, if you come, my doors will be open - you will not find them closed.” That´s all that a seeker can do. And that´s all that is needed to be done. More than that is not possible and is not needed.

So let this posture be your deep attitude. One has to become receptive. The search for truth is not a male search. It is a feminine search - just like feminine energy - receptive. Not like a male - aggressive.

Meditativeness is simply a deep receptivity, a readiness, an open door.
 

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Добро, бе, пишува некој друг на оваа тема освен Сашко и Мали Буда?!?
 
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Не мислете дека вашите мисли се свесни, тоест свесни се и го контролирате во многу мал дел. И се мислиме многу паметни дека на нешто сме се сетиле... Но во огромна мера, мислите не контролираат нас. Со медитација се спречува тој процес да те умараат мислите, да си негативен, секогаш спремен за карање... За ваквата наша состојба не сме ни свесни колку ни било лошо, додека не почнеме да медитираме! Со тоа се постигнува чист ум, а со тоа пак контрола на мислата и емоцијата. Позитивна мисла носи позитивни нешта, и обратно. А тоа обратното го впиваме од сите страни, а најмногу според мене од разни пропаганди- на работа постојан притисок и незадоволство, дома само гледаме телевизија која е скоро сосема негативна...
 
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The experience of meditation is only unique experience in life. Everything else is repetitive. Meditation
is never repeated, because it is forever. Once it happens, it remains -- there is no way to fall out of it. One
can fall on love, one can fall out of love; one can fall in meditation, but one cannot fall out of meditation.
The reason one cannot fall out of it is because the moment you fall in, you disappear -- there is nobody to
fall out, nobody remains to fall out.
 

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