Нешто за Србите

[goca]

Sinisa...otprilike znam kako i kolku dobro razmisluva.
I za sto se zalaga,i kolku toleranten moze da bide i kolku e nacitan i presmetliv.
Ama znam i drugo (se odnesuva na Goca):
Deka ti ne razmisluvas,ne citas ili barem ne od relevantni izvori i celta ti e da se konfrontiras i da se karas...pritoa uglavnom koristejki false argumenti i ludi `dokazi`.
I kako takva...idi probaj da pisuvas na cetnicki forumi...da vidis kako ke pomines.
Otprilike...isto vi e nivoto na diskusija...
O.K za mene... izvadete si gi ocite ako sakate.
Samo nemoj da probuvas da sikaniras dragi i razbrani lugje...koi sto prvo i osnovno : Te sakaat i te pocituvaat kako makedonka.

Господине, кога руските научници тврдат дека историјата е фалсификат и треба да се објави вистината за потеклото на народите
кога ми се подсмевате мене и се подсмевате на вистината. Aко сакате да допрете до вистината ослободетесе од зенгиите.

Mене лично Cиниша ми е драг, но во неговото согледување и информираност не сакам да навлагам. Jас сум во овој форум, а за фанатици не ме интересира. Cиниша е доволно умен и разбран човек па ако му пречам може и самиот да се изјасни.

P.S. умот вреди за тој што го има.

 

[Dardan-ia]

e ste nasle da zboruvate za Srbija ( mislam za falcifikat) , izgubenite bitki gi isdignuvaat kako da osvoile svet, knezite gi pravat carevi, ajajja , najgolemata masinerija za falcifikati , na se i sesto, da bese poinaku ne ke vojuvaa so celiot balkan, a i so celiot svet , da da (so Nato)

 

[n/a]

e ste nasle da zboruvate za Srbija ( mislam za falcifikat) , izgubenite bitki gi isdignuvaat kako da osvoile svet, knezite gi pravat carevi, ajajja , najgolemata masinerija za falcifikati , na se i sesto, da bese poinaku ne ke vojuvaa so celiot balkan, a i so celiot svet , da da (so Nato)

Da a shmut!
Bitno vie....put pod nogi...i giderim...izbegavte!
Najbrzo sto mozevte.
I svati si go kako generalna proba...ako produzite u istiot duh da `tvorite`...u sto ne sumnjam.

 

[Dardan-ia]

izgubivtte se i sesto , nikogas ne ste pobedile, si slavite izgubeni bitki, site ve pobedija, ke ostane od vas samo Beogradski pasaluk, za toa se sprema USA, a i vi trebase samo ova sto trgnavte kon Rusija, epa vremeto bese da vi platime za se i sesto ,

 

[Serpico]

Mирни само, ќе ве молам

 

[n/a]

izgubivtte se i sesto , nikogas ne ste pobedile, si slavite izgubeni bitki, site ve pobedija, ke ostane od vas samo Beogradski pasaluk, za toa se sprema USA, a i vi trebase samo ova sto trgnavte kon Rusija, epa vremeto bese da vi platime za se i sesto ,

Ako pod site podrazbiras site zaedno preku NATO... ...protiv Srbija...ne si izlazal,taka e.
Belgradski pasaluk nema da ostane...ne se sekiraj (pogotovo ne so sekira).
Neznam dali sega,posle 5 ili posle 50 god....ali znam deka nekoj ke mora da si zamine od Kosovo.Ako ne saka da ja `nahrani` zemjata so nego samiot de...
Specijalno za tebe:
Hriste Boze raspeti i sveti...
srpska zemja kroz oblake leti,
leti preko nebeskih visina
krila su joj Morava i Drina.

Zbogom prvi nerodjeni sine,
zbogom ruzo,zbogom ruzmarine...
Zbogom leto,jeseni i zimo,
odlazimo da se nevratimo...

Na tri sveto i na tri sastavno,
odlazimo na Kosovo ravno,
odlazimo na sudjeno mesto,
zbogom majko sestro i nevesto...

Planino...moja...planino....tugo...
Planino moja...starino
Dosta sam muka podnio tugo...
komitske cete...vodio!

 

[jamajka]

Serv-servus-servant или слугаСрбин или Србија нема значение за народ, не за џабе Душан се крунисал како Македонски цар. Додека народот се нарекувал слуги. Слично како и словен.Slav, slavus, slave - робЗначи одеднаш народот на балканот од слави се нарекува во серви, дали можеби тоа не е смена на општесвтеното уредување(од робовладетелско во феудално), па луѓето од робови станале феудални слуги.

 

[shkendia]

Ako pod site podrazbiras site zaedno preku NATO... ...protiv Srbija...ne si izlazal,taka e.
Belgradski pasaluk nema da ostane...ne se sekiraj (pogotovo ne so sekira).
Neznam dali sega,posle 5 ili posle 50 god....ali znam deka nekoj ke mora da si zamine od Kosovo.Ako ne saka da ja `nahrani` zemjata so nego samiot de...
Specijalno za tebe:
Hriste Boze raspeti i sveti...
srpska zemja kroz oblake leti,
leti preko nebeskih visina
krila su joj Morava i Drina.

Zbogom prvi nerodjeni sine,
zbogom ruzo,zbogom ruzmarine...
Zbogom leto,jeseni i zimo,
odlazimo da se nevratimo...

Na tri sveto i na tri sastavno,
odlazimo na Kosovo ravno,
odlazimo na sudjeno mesto,
zbogom majko sestro i nevesto...

Planino...moja...planino....tugo...
Planino moja...starino
Dosta sam muka podnio tugo...
komitske cete...vodio!

tie sto trebaa da zaminat si zaminaa, i nema da se vratat a zosto neznam

ti makedonec si ili srbin ne mi e jasno gi branis srbite a pisuvas makedonski!?

 

[n/a]

tie sto trebaa da zaminat si zaminaa, i nema da se vratat a zosto neznam

ti makedonec si ili srbin ne mi e jasno gi branis srbite a pisuvas makedonski!?

Lele be....aman...100-ti put.
I takov i takov sum.
(i ne sum shizofrenicar :pos2: )
I nikoj ne spori deka albanci ima na Kosovo.
Ama tie ne smee da gi brkaat srbite od tamu...
nitu pak da im gi palat crkvite prosledeno so aplaus...
nitu pak da ubivaat i da siluvaat.
Toa se dejstvija...koi sto ne se zaboravaat.Nikogas.

I peki...da baraat najsiroka avtonomija.
I svoja vlast (pokrainska,avtonomna,neznam kako ke go resat da se vika zborot) Vecina se na Kosovo momentalno.
Ama drzava Kosovo?
Toa drugar Shkendija...znaci nesto sosema drugo i e grubo krsenje na celoto poznato megjunarodno pravo.I kako takvo...e neprifatlivo.
Zosto?
Aj vaka da ti objasnam.
Drac (Durresh) e albanski grad od sekogas.Na nekoi drugi im se bendisuva da ziveat tamu.Po edno vreme tie drugite...si gi vikaat site rodnini i prijateli...posto im e dobro i im se svigja zemjata...i stanuvaat golemo malcinstvo.
I hop...pazi belja...pocnuvaat da brkaat albanci koi sto se mnozinstvo...da pravat zulumi...da gi brkaat albancite i da gi primoruvaat da im ja prodavaat zemjata i kukjite inace ke gi palele zivi...koga ovie se zalat na policijata i ona intervenira onie dojdencite vikaat...a ne...policijata nas namerno ne tepa posto ne sme albanci (mada...raka na srce sigurno imalo i takvi primeri)...i naj na kraj stanuvaat mnozinstvo i sakaat da proglasuvaat drzava Durresh.
Epa toa nema nigde...
Ili jas gresam,a?

 

[shkendia]

Lele be....aman...100-ti put.
I takov i takov sum.
(i ne sum shizofrenicar :pos2: )
I nikoj ne spori deka albanci ima na Kosovo.
Ama tie ne smee da gi brkaat srbite od tamu...
nitu pak da im gi palat crkvite prosledeno so aplaus...
nitu pak da ubivaat i da siluvaat.
Toa se dejstvija...koi sto ne se zaboravaat.Nikogas.

I peki...da baraat najsiroka avtonomija.
I svoja vlast (pokrainska,avtonomna,neznam kako ke go resat da se vika zborot) Vecina se na Kosovo momentalno.
Ama drzava Kosovo?
Toa drugar Shkendija...znaci nesto sosema drugo i e grubo krsenje na celoto poznato megjunarodno pravo.I kako takvo...e neprifatlivo.
Zosto?
Aj vaka da ti objasnam.
Drac (Durresh) e albanski grad od sekogas.Na nekoi drugi im se bendisuva da ziveat tamu.Po edno vreme tie drugite...si gi vikaat site rodnini i prijateli...posto im e dobro i im se svigja zemjata...i stanuvaat golemo malcinstvo.
I hop...pazi belja...pocnuvaat da brkaat albanci koi sto se mnozinstvo...da pravat zulumi...da gi brkaat albancite i da gi primoruvaat da im ja prodavaat zemjata i kukjite inace ke gi palele zivi...koga ovie se zalat na policijata i ona intervenira onie dojdencite vikaat...a ne...policijata nas namerno ne tepa posto ne sme albanci (mada...raka na srce sigurno imalo i takvi primeri)...i naj na kraj stanuvaat mnozinstvo i sakaat da proglasuvaat drzava Durresh.
Epa toa nema nigde...
Ili jas gresam,a?

kako prvo tie srbi sto bea cisti(mislam na tie sto ne im se pridruzia na paramilitarnite vojski i sto bea cesni luge i bea za sozivot) tie se vrateni no tie sto im se racete isprleni so krv i ucevstvuvale vo etnickoto cistenje i masakri tie nemozat da se vratat...


kako drugo ubo vikas ti pravo? srbija pravoto nad kosovo go zagubi zosto? pa proceni si sam dobro znaes sto napravija vo kosovo taka sto toa pravo megunarodno sto go vikas odamna e izgubeno i kako prvo ne e pocituvano od samite srbi...

a ova sto go boldirav so zeleno sakas nesto drugo da kazes no vo red e mislam znam kade ciljas hehe samo kratko ke ti odgovoram gresis i toa mnogu...

 

[ристе]

Ako pod site podrazbiras site zaedno preku NATO... ...protiv Srbija...ne si izlazal,taka e.
Belgradski pasaluk nema da ostane...ne se sekiraj (pogotovo ne so sekira).
Neznam dali sega,posle 5 ili posle 50 god....ali znam deka nekoj ke mora da si zamine od Kosovo.Ako ne saka da ja `nahrani` zemjata so nego samiot de...
Specijalno za tebe:
Hriste Boze raspeti i sveti...
srpska zemja kroz oblake leti,
leti preko nebeskih visina
krila su joj Morava i Drina.

Zbogom prvi nerodjeni sine,
zbogom ruzo,zbogom ruzmarine...
Zbogom leto,jeseni i zimo,
odlazimo da se nevratimo...

Na tri sveto i na tri sastavno,
odlazimo na Kosovo ravno,
odlazimo na sudjeno mesto,
zbogom majko sestro i nevesto...

Planino...moja...planino....tugo...
Planino moja...starino
Dosta sam muka podnio tugo...
komitske cete...vodio!

Абе србино с овие глупости кои направихте прз последните 100-150 години заслужихте да останете само у Београдскиа пашал'к. Да си спомниш кој Западните покрајнини населени с б'лгари през 1918г, кој нападна Бугариа през 1885г. Скоро сичките тиа злини ке се стоварат на вашата глава. Требвапросто да си признаете глупостите и лакомијата за земи која сте вршеле

 

[ристе]

Абе србино с овие глупости кои направихте прз последните 100-150 години заслужихте да останете само у Београдскиа пашал'к. Да си спомниш кој отне Западните покрајнини населени с б'лгари през 1918г, кој нападна Бугариа през 1885г. Скоро сичките тиа злини ке се стоварат на вашата глава. Требвапросто да си признаете глупостите и лакомијата за земи која сте вршеле

 

[shkendia]

Memorandum of United Committees of Unliberated Albanians, signed by Hasan Prishtina, Bajram Curri and others, on massacres committed on Albanians, that was sent to the Presidency of the League of Nations
Geneva, 26 September, 1924
"Mr President,

Since the first days of the establishment of Serbian regime in Kosova, Macedonia and Montenegro (15-30 October, 1918), our committees have addressed letters to the Peace Conference, Ambassadorial Conference, the League of Nations and the public opinion of the civilised world to protest against this regime and the fact that the Serbian-Croatian-Slovenian state did not show its willing to respect the rights of minorities, but it has reached that far as to deny the right of the Albanians to their existence.
The enclosing documents present a picture of the Serbian attitude towards the Albanians in the provinces mentioned above.

1. Organisation of armed bands:
Under the name of national organisations, the Serbian-Croatian-Slovenian state has organised armed bands that have terrorised Albanian regions, massacred Albanian villagers after they have plundered the Albanians and burned down their houses.

2. Organisation of periodical massacres:
Under the pretext of the pressure of в€˜kaГ§aks' (deserters), Serbian regular military forces have destroyed many villages in the districts of Prishtina, Vushtria, Mitrovica and Peja (Ipek), massacring thousands of peasants, not saving the women, children and old people, either.

3. Colonisation at destroyed villages and in abandoned houses:
Every attack for destroying the Albanians is followed by an operation of settling Russian, Serbian and Montenegrin colonists. These colonists terrorise the neighbouring villages systematically, forcing their inhabitants to abandon their hearths, which are confiscated and colonised immediately afterwards. It is precisely a part of the victims of these tragic manoeuvres that go around their hearths and are called ′kaзaks′.

4. Legal plundering:
Kosova, mainly an agricultural region..., now is suffering of a dreadful misery: the villagers and citizens of the Albanians nationality, chiefly farmers, have been deprived of their land under the pretext of implementation of the agrarian reform.

5. Mass emigration of the Albanians of Kosova:
This regime of iron, fire and plunder, constitutes the main factor of emigration in mass of the Albanian population to Turkey, that is being carried out in dreadful conditions; hundreds of families paying it by their lives, and the other part being punished in an indescribable misery.

6. Constitutional liberties:
The Serbian Constitution, as far as the Albanians of Kosova, Macedonia and Montenegro are concerned, has only the value of a card overlaid with gold to mislead the public opinion of the civilised world. To Albanians it is the same as the Constitution of Jeunes Turques of 1908-1918 was to Armenians.

7. ′Serbian justice′:
To have a clear idea about the в€˜Serbian justice', it suffices to know that no Serbian has ever been sent to court for thousands and thousands of crimes committed on the daylight: it is the sole country in the world where killing is executed in the presence of judges that keep silent.

All that we have declared above is in contradiction to the norms defined in articles 1-8 of the first chapter of the Treaty on the rights of national minorities, that was signed in Saint Germain on 10 September, 1919 by the great powers and the Serbian-Croatian-Slovenian state.

Signed by: Bajram Curri, Hasan Prishtina...
Representatives of united committees of the unliberated Albanians."

 

[shkendia]

Colonisation and Serbianisation of Kosova
by Kosta Novakovic
"By the end of April I happened to be in DurrГ«s, when the Serbian soldiers got on ships and left for Serbia. Albanian small boys saw off the columns of Serbian soldiers, singing the popular national song:
"We aren't Serbs, nor Bulgarians,
We're courageous Albanians...".
Instead of the word ′Greeks′ the boys put the word ′Serbs′.
Serbian villagers who constituted the Serbian soldiery, got on ships singing gladly, that finally ended the expedition against Albania, an expedition that they did not understand why it took place. The scolding words of the Albanian boys were not taken badly by Serbian soldiers at all, as they knew quite well they deserved them, and they were quite a weak revenge for their barbarism they had displayed to the Albanian population during six months of Serbian occupation. But behind these Serbian peasants, tired of the war and illnesses, it was the official Serbia that was leaving Albania gnashing its teeth of anger and only because they were forced to by the Ultimatum of the Great Powers and the guns opposite the port of DurrГ«s on the Austria-Hungarian and Italian ships. War operations were finished some time ago. Crushing Albania by the Serbian military was an attempt of Serbian imperialism to take the ports of Shkodra, DurrГ«s and ShГ«n-Gjin. Even though Serbian imperialists were forced to draw back from Albania, the conquest of Shkodra and North Albania is still one of the principal goals of their imperialistic programme. In the Serbian book of military instructions "What must I know as a soldier?", appreciated and praised by the Ministry of War by decree I.P., No. 1161, on 23 August, 1912, it reads, "All our provinces have not yet been united in our kingdom,... Shkodra, and part of North Albania..." The rural Serbia did not exist any more. It lost itself in several tens of years, and in 1912 it disappeared completely. Instead of it, an imperialist Serbia, pan-Serbian, showed up, with its pan-Serbian dynasty and pan-Serbian militarism. This new imperialism, crude, brutal, merciless, dreams of the return of King Duzan's kingdom, and tries to reach within next ten years the imperialist powers that have existed for hundreds of years. The Serbian farmer has been a blind tool of pan-Serbian imperialism, flesh for a gun, an animal without its tail - as the Serbian officers called him - that was forced under the cudgel of the officers to attack with bayonets... and burn and harass the occupied regions.
Serbian imperialist government did not leave anything undone to the Albanians during the occupation. It ordered the rope to rise in dozen of regions of Albania. It massacred, killed and plundered the poor population. It bothered only the poor. The rich, beys, landowners and their property were protected by soldiers, so that farmers could not rise up, and it shared the land with beys and agas...
The first victims of Serbian imperialism were Macedonia and Kosova. However, pan-Serbian imperialists, although forced by the more powerful imperialists to draw back from the Albanian coast, have kept the best and more fertile place of Albania: Kosova. We call Kosova the whole region inhabited by Albanians: Kosova, Metohia and the south part of the old Sanjak to Novi Pazar. More than 500,000 Albanians became slaves of a new ruler. Besides them, there are aditional 150-200 thousand Albanians in Macedonia. That is, there are altogether 650-700 thousand Albanians in Yugoslavia.
Serbianisation of Kosova is the wildest example of a nation in the time of the Balkan War and the Second World War. The wildest terroristic and inquisition methods that were used in Kosova have not been seen either in Eastern Ukraine, or in Bjelorussia that are under Poland, or in Besarabia and Dobrudza that are under Rumania... Only Macedonia can be close to Kosova from this aspect.
When Serbian imperialists invaded Kosova, they informed the world that they would return again their historical rights they had in 1389 (before the battle of Kosova). Basing themselves on these ′historical rights′, either Italy, or France, or Greece, or Turkey could rise and request to get half of Europe, as they had once these regions in their hands. Furthermore, France could request a part of Russia, as Napoleon went once to Moscow in 1812.
But the ′historical rights′ of Serbia on Kosova are still stranger. When the Turkish military in the middle ages arrived to the borders of Austria, the Serbian patriarch Cernojevic and Serbian landowners went on their expense to fight to the benefit of Austria and to defend the rivers of the Danube and Sava. The landowner patriarch had taken with him 170,000 Serbian families from Kosova, mostly farmers and settled them on the land given Austria in Banat and Backa. The place in Kosova that had remained vacant, was gradually occupied by the Albanians that had lived there around, and together with a small number of the Serbs that had remained they worked out the land and made it fertile again! Now after so many hundred years, pan-Serbian imperialists claim that they have their ′historical rights′, both in Backa and Banat where the Serbs of Kosova live, and also in Kosova, which they left that time. This is called historical right! On the basis of such ′historical rights′, Serbian imperialists want to take ′pan-Serbian Kosova′ without Serbs. Kosova is a merely Albanian region, and has only 10 to 15% Serbs settled there in older times. The first means that Serbian imperialists put in effect were medieval military means, or means of colonial invaders: extermination of population, military operations, disarmament of population, crushing the armed resistance, etc.

 

[shkendia]

In 1912 and 1913, 120,000 Albanians were exterminated - men, women, boys, old men and women, children - hundreds of villages were shot by heavy guns, a large number of them were burned down, more in Kosova and less in Macedonia.
It is to observe that the representative of Russian imperialist tsarist politics, minister of Russia in Belgrade, Hartvig, blessed this policy of extermination that was carried out by Belgrade. The Russian Orthodox Tsar extended his assistance to the Orthodox Serbian brother, king Petar and his son Aleksandar, to exterminate a whole people and expand the Orthodox religion in the Balkans. At least 50,000 Albanians were forced to emigrate to Turkey and Albania and become immigrants, in order to save their lives.
The extermination of the Albanians rarefied Albanian masses in Kosova to a certain degree, but it could not change the Albanian character that Kosova has had. The intention to exterminate the Albanians in Kosova was to settle Serbs instead of them, to colonise Kosova by Serbs, serbisianation of Kosova. Nevertheless, until the end of 1912, owing to great resistance on the part of the Albanians, colonisation made a relatively slow progress. Only a small number of Serbs were settled in the region of Kosova in the first stages.
Here we shall provide some official statistics of Serbian government, that indicate the Albanian character of Kosova. Out of 25,407 rural houses, only 6,311, i.e., only 17% were Serbs in the province of Kosova in 1919. In KaГ§anik, there were totally 2.5% Serbs in 1924, the rest were Albanians. In the district of Prizren, there were 17% Serbs in 1921. This proportion was similar in the districts of Prishtina, Mitrovica, Gjilan, Peja, and Gjakova, and in some other districts the proportion of the Serbs was even smaller. In 1921, there were mostly 17% Serbs in whole Kosova. The Albanian national resistance was put up in two ways: in the legal way, by the Muslim organisation Cemiyet, and in the revolutionary way, by fighting with arms by Albanian national detachments that are called в€˜kaГ§akГ«' (outlaws). We shall speak of Cemiyet later. The Serbian government attempted to present Albanian в€˜kaГ§aks' as robbers and put them out of the law. Every governmental service and every Serbian fascist has the right to kill them. в€˜KaГ§aks' in fact are not robbers at all, but they are good Albanian guerrillas. There are people that can sacrifice everything, their houses, property and goods, and go to mountains, form guerrilla detachments and fight against the misdeeds and barbarisms of Serbian military and police. в€˜KaГ§aks' believe they can dislodge the Serbian regime from Kosova in that way.
These national warriors have fought a great fight, a fight that ought to be admired, against very big forces of Serbian gendarmerie and military. The names of Bajram Curri, Azem Bejta and hundreds of other brave men that have fallen at that war, have been carved in the hearts of the Albanians of Kosova. In 1920 more than 10,000 в€˜kaГ§aks' were on the mountains of Kosova. There were 2,000 of them in Llab only. In 1920, in the time of the uprising of Llab, the Serbian military, under the command of colonel Radovan Rodovic, bombarded the big Albanian village of Prapashtica, and all the houses were ruined. Similar to Llab, Albanian national movements were organised in many other regions of Kosova, and were crushed by great Serbian forces in 1919 and 1924. We can mention here the movements of Plava, Gucia, Rugova in 1919, of Prishtina in 1921, Drenica in 1923, Mitrovica in 1924 and again of Drenica in 1924. By quelling these uprisings, the Serbian military killed 2,600 Albanians.
National resistance in this way was limited to the fights of detachments of &primekaзaks′. According to an official report of Serbian government, there were 1,200 organised &primekaзaks′ in detachments in 1924. In 1927, the Serbian police published a report: 310 Albanian в€˜kaГ§aks' were killed, 175 caught as prisoners and 626 surrendered.
In 1927, the movement of &primekaзaks′ ceased to act, but the spirit of &primekaзaks′ lives in every village and will never cease to exist until Kosova is free. The pan-Serbian regime knows this quite well. That is why it has decided to denationalise Kosova totally, not only by crushing wildly the Albanian movement, but also by grabbing their land and colonising Kosova by Serbs. I am going to discuss this matter in the next issue of Liria KombГ«tare."