Патолошката потреба на нетуркиските источнобалкански народи по секоја цена да се идентификувaат како огурски (туркиски) Бугари

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Автоматски споено мислење:

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Споредбена генетска анализа на населението на Монголија и Бугарија.

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Монголски црти имале и заеднички родословни корени?:facepalm:

Па да видиме дали е така.

Монголски пеги кај новороденчиња:

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Забна морфологија кај луѓето. Споредете Западна Евроазија и Западна Европа со Сино-Америка и Кина-Монголија.

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Central Asian type that inhabits a large, sparsely populated area from the Gobi Desert to the Siberian Taiga and Tundra. Developed during the Neolithic after the retreat of the ice in nomads of the steppes. Several later expansions brought it to West Asia. The body is thickset, limbs short, skull often short and low, face broad and roundish, very flat, Mongolian folds very strong, skin light yellowish-brown, hair straight and black, body hair scarce.


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Description:
Tungid variety of the vast Central Asian deserts and steppes, e.g. the Gobi and Southern Siberia. Developed in ancient stock-farming nomads and was found in Huns, Avars, and Mongols, who migrated West and produced Aralids, etc. Today most typical in the Buryat, Mongolians, Tuvins. Also in Yakut, South Altaians, even some Kazakhs, Evenk, Orochs, Japanese, Chinese, Miao, and Tibetans. During the 17th century Kalmyks brought it West to the Caspian Sea.

Physical traits:
Light yellowish-brown skin, coarse straight, rarely wavy hair. Medium height, macroskelic, endomorph. (Hyper)brachycephalic, chamaecranic, rather large-headed. Mildly leptorrhine. Flat, large and broad face, lips medium thick. Epicanthus and cheekbones strong, body hair rather weak.


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Description:
West Tungid variety of the vast Central Asian steppes, influenced by Turanid. Developed in ancient times when Hunnic, Avar, and Chasar expansions replaced older Turanid, Mediterranid, and Nordid populations. Today most common in Kazakhs, but also in other Turkic people like Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, and Tatars. In lower frequencies in Yakuts, Nenets, Uyghurs, Mongols, and many others.

Physical traits:
Light yellowish-brown skin, straight, sometimes wavy hair. Medium height, macroskelic, endomorph. Mildly leptorrhine, sometimes concave nose. (Hyper-)brachycephalic, chamae- orthocranic. Cheek bones very prominent, face and jaw broad, forehead slanted, eyebrows thick. Mongolian fold and facial flatness moderate.


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Description:
Tungid variety, weakly influenced by Turanid. Usually united with Aralid, but more Mongoloid. Native to the Tian Shan mountains of Kyrgyzstan and Western China. Particularly common among Kyrgyz. Sporadically in Kazakhs, Yakuts, Uyghurs, Mongols, and related groups.

Physical traits:
Light brown skin, straight, often black, sometimes light hair, and dark, sometimes mixed eyes. Medium height, macroskelic, endomorph. Mildly leptorrhine nose. Brachycephalic, chamae- orthocranic. Cheekbones very prominent, face broad, forehead often sloping. Epicanthus as strong as in Gobid, but face more profiled and body hair stronger.


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Description:
North Sinid type, named after the Huang Ho (Yellow) river in Northern China. Developed from loess and millet farmers. Usually regarded as the Sinid proper, associated with the Xia dynasty and the beginning of the Chinese empire. Typical in Liaoning, Kirin, Heilungkiang and Jehol, sometimes Hoklo in Fuijan. Ancient colonisation and trading dispersed it across China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Korea, and more sporadically, Japan.

Physical traits:
Pale yellow to dusky yellow-brown skin, straight hair. Medium height to rather tall, macroskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Mesocephalic, sometimes dolichocephalic, mildly hypsicranic with a leptorrhine, relatively long and straight, sometimes aquiline nose. The face is relatively high, oblong and square, 口-shaped. Cheek-bones relatively weak. Lips thin, epicanthic folds pronounced, body hair scant.

 
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Продолжуваме понатаму. Одиме со хипотезата дека Бугарите биле турко-татарски народ.

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The homeland of Turkic peoples is difficult to pinpoint based on scarce samples through wide temporal transects, due to the multiple population replacements in the central and eastern Asian steppes, forest-steppes, and forests, and to the linguistic data and complex ethnogenesis legends pointing to a composite grouping of diverse elements since the reconstructible stage of the language (Golden 1992).

Based on Indo-European (Iranian and Tocharian) and Uralic influences, Proto-Turkic is supposed to have been spoken ca. 1000 BC in some area from the Trans-Urals area to the Altai, with the forest zones of West Siberia being the most likely candidate based on the Indo-Iranian expansions through the steppes, as well as the Uralic expansions through the forest-steppe and forest regions. From there, the ancestors of the Turks migrated east into the Baikal area, where the Xiongnu confederation eventually emerged, and Huns later migrated to West Eurasia (Golden 1992).

The Huns, likely representatives of the earliest Turkic-speaking groups in Eurasia, emerged following minor male-driven East Asian gene flow into the preceding Sakas that they invaded, ca. 2,000 years ago. They displaced Iranian-speaking groups (ancestors of the Wusun and Kangju) to the south-east of the Tian Shan mountains, where they became isolated.


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If we collect together the ethnonyms of the tribes that historically were included in any one Türkic population, we shall see that almost half of them are present in the ethnogenesis of other Türkic peoples. Take for example the ethnonyms that historically designated certain parts of the Bulgaro-Tatars: Kypchak [Rus. Polovets, Arab. Sakaliba, Armenian. Khartesh, Italian. Kuman, Hun. Kun (Syn) or Paloch (from Slavic), Czech-Pol. Plavts, German. Faven or Falon, etc.], Saryman, Skyly (Skithe > Scyth), Sün (Bashkir. Hön, Rus. Gun), Alan, As, the Khazar, Lokhyr, Bersuly (Bersudy > Bersut), Chalmat (Chalmady), Sabakul, Temtuz, Biger (Biar, Bilyar), Baylar, Iyirk, Kuruk, Türk, Bulgar, Suar, Misher (Mijgar), Kashan (Kushan), Kazan, Kazan Keshese, Kazanly, Suas, Bortas, Apas, Kaepych, Karagas, Nogay, Mangot, Ürmi, Gyaynya, Bashkort, Ishtyak, Kungur, Nagaybak, Bardy (Pardy > Parthy), etc. The tribes carrying these ethnonyms were consolidated into an ethnicity within the framework of the Itil Bulgaria, Golden Horde, Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberian, Kasim Khanates and Russian state, and also entered, in addition to the Bulgaro-Tatars, into such Türkic peoples as Bashkirs, Nogays, Karachay-Balkars, Kumyks, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Turkmens, Kyrgyzes, and even Khakases and Altaians.

In the study of the Türkic ethnic roots should also be considered that some part of the Türkic tribes took part in the formation of non-Türkic-speaking peoples, for example, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Chinese, Iranians, etc. Besermyans which are a part of Udmurts, did not forget to present that they once were Bulgars.
 
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A sample of the Mongolian Rouran Khaganate from Khermen Tal shows the continuation of haplogroup C2a1a-F4032 in the region (Li et al. 2018), probably expanding with Mongolian-speaking peoples in the eastern steppes. Samples from Baiyin Huangwan Han dynasty tombs from a north-western Chinese farming area near the Xiongnu states, spanning from the Western Han Dynasty (202 BC – AD 8) to the Eastern Han Dynasty (AD 25–220), show significant genetic contribution from the northern Eurasian populations, as well as an accommodation to the nomadic lifestyle, which supports the acculturation of the Xiongnu population to the Han culture (Li, Ma, and Wen 2018).

After the defeat of the Xiongnu (ca. AD 552), a part of their population migrated to Pannonia, where they became known as the Avars and allied with the Longobards to defeat the Gepids, creating the Avar Khaganate (AD 567-805).


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Tatars are known as Mongolian tribe originally living in the vicinity of the river Kerulen in the territory of the modern Mongolia. In the 206 BC the Mongolian tribes (Ch. Dunhu 东胡) were included in the Eastern Hun state, their Chinese name was Hi or Si (Chinese h/s alternation), Mongol tribes that escaped were eventually named after their mountain refuge places, Syanbi and Uhuan. Thus, the historical departure point are the Hi or Si tribes of the 3rd c. BC, self-name was Kai, i.e. Mong. "Snake", Turk. "Yilan, Djilan, Gilan", and "Uran". Apparently, the Kerulen Kais were intermarried with Huns/Uigurs, because for the next millennia they became a permanent refuge for the Tülrkic tribes during trouble times. In accordance with the dominant tribe nomenclature, Kais accepted Huns, Uigurs, and Onguts (Chuye Huns, Ch. Shato 沙陀), and unknown number of Türkic tribes in between. By the 8th c. AD they numbered 30 tribal subdivisions, most likely each subdivision representing a splinter of originally individual tribe. The exogamy law would keep each tribe as a separate unit, to trace the do's and dont's of the law. Except for a nearly complete wipe-out, of any of which we do not know, this mostly Türkic conglomerate was very Türkic-friendly. By the 7th c. AD they were already known as Tatars (Ch. Ta-ta, Da-da), and they were members of all successor states after the eastern Huns. As allies of Seyanto in their fight with Uiguro-Chinese assault in 648, they suffered along with Seyanto, and a fraction of them evacuated to the Black Irtysh to start a Kimek Kaganate, in which the Kai tribe was a dynastic tribe. At that time, the Tatars were split in two fractions, one growing by further migration of the Tatar tribes in the Kimek Kaganate, and the other remaining in place and known as Otuz Tatars "Thirty Tatars". The Kerulen Tatars were members of the Second Türkic Kaganate, Uigur Kaganate, and Kirgiz Kaganate. With the fall of the Kirgiz Kaganate ended the Türkic era and started a Mongolian era. It is unlikely that there was much of linguistic, ethnical, or demographical change in the period from 840 to 1200, so we can expect that Chingiz-khan inherited the same composition that was left after the Kirgiz Kaganate. In addition to the appellation "Tatar", "Kai", and "Otuz Tatars", we know "White Tatar" appellation , "Black Tatar" appellation, and a few others, apparently collective names applied to ethically distinct groups of tribes. The Onguts, for example, belonged to White Tatars and consisted of three Chuye Hun tribes.

In the 11-12th cc., an advent of the Naiman and Merkit tribes forced westward drift of the tribes belonging to the Kimek confederation. They became known in the Eastern Europe as Kipchaks and Kumans. With the Kimek tribes first Tatar tribes became known and recorded in Eastern Europe. Other Kimek Tatars occupied the "Deshti-Kipchak", the steppes from Balkhash to Itil. That was how Chingiz-khan incorporated Tatars into Mongol realm, the Eastern Tatars around Kerulen, in a hostile action, and the Middle Asia Tatars in the Deshti-Kipchak as submitted tribes of the Kipchaks. The Eastern European Tatars were included with the Eastern European Kipchaks in another hostile action. With the first disintegration of the Mongol Empire, the Western Tatars remained in the Juchi Ulus, and the Еastern Tatars remained in the Mongol domain (home rule) in Mongolia.

The Rus fell into Mongol Empire in the 1240, and the Rus Slavs gave a moniker "Tatar" to the Mongol army, which consisted of various Türkic tribes. That moniker became a common name for all Türkic tribes and any other tribe associated with Türks. From the 16th c. to the 18th c., the Rus princedoms, Russian Kingdom, and then Russian Empire led an unending war of conquest against the "Tatar" states and people. Only in the 18th c., the Russian state learned to discriminate among its new subjects, and to name separately non-Türkic ethnic groups. The Türks captured previously, however, went under their initial moniker of "Tatars", discriminated by the locative or political adjective: Kazan Tatars, Astrakhan Tatars, Nogai Tatars, Uzbek Tatars, etc. In fact, very few of these people were Tatars, every Türkic people had its own ethnonym, and it took centuries to initiate people on using the Russian moniker. In the Middle Age, there were individuals who would call themselves Tatars, for the prestige of the name, or in communications with the Russian-speaking administrations and people, but that had nothing to do with their native ethnonym of the whole people, the ethnonyms lived and survived below the official nomenclature, censuses, and documentation.

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