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[enhallon]

Енхалон, браво царе, измисли топла вода. Трк да си ја подигнеш нобеловата.

Тоа што го постираш, е веќе побиено.

Провокацијата ти е неуспешна. Ама баш сакам да направиш вака: Намали го фонтот, и отвори нова тема, специјално за „лагите“...Може? :smir: Таму ќе се разбереме...

Знам дека си ми лут оти ви уочив дека Албанскиот јазик нема трошка сличност со Илирскиот...ама јебига бе друже...:naaa:

не знаев дека книгата на овој мајмун е бест селер во Македонија!!!ја знаете вистината и кутите:nesvest: .
јас сакм само да те потцетувам дека си голем славјанин како бугарите. не сакам да те прам булгар посто е твое право да се нарекувас себеси националноста македонец но од големите славјани корени тоа ми е целта

 

[Sturmgewehr]

Ajax 3 zbora is na[ol i se prajs pameten ia kup da ti dam ja i da zamolcis ko bog da te zamolcil

 

[enhallon]

eve "edna troska slicnost" megu pelasgo-ilirskiot i albanskiot jazik!!uci trne

[FONT=&quot]Pelasgians, ancient people, the ancestors of all the Indo-European people, was people whom it knew to illuminate and it taught the culture to Europe, about they it is known little, or better to say nearly null.
The' alphabet of this mysterious people is called Pelasgic since to that civilization laughed them, DIODORUS SICULUS one informs to us that the PreHomeric poets expressed themselves just with that alphabet, and from the same source, we learn that, at least 10 centuries aC. That same writing was used. Moreover Diodorus reports that they were the first to bring theyr alphabet in Italy, as well as the rest of Europe, practicing opportune adaptations and improvements.
Also Pliny the elder confirms the information of Diodorus.
Virgil (Aeneid, VIII, V. 62-63), writes:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“It is sayd that the first dwellers of our Italy were the Pelasgians”[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
From the ancient authors we have learned that before the arrival of the Greeks, those territories were known as Pelasgia, the several sources inform to us moreover, than the Greeks they learned from the Pelasgians not only the art of the working of the metals, of the construction of walls, but they learned, perfecting it, their way to write and making their divinity own.
Several populations, species the pelasgic one, have given to the country their name
Pausanias (Arcadia, VIII, 1,4,6) reports:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“The Arcadians tell that Pelasgus was the first born in Arcadia. Since Pelasgus became king, the country was called Pelasgia in his honour”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Pindar (Carminia, Fragmenta Selecta, I, 240) tells:
“Bringing a beautifull gift, the earth made the first human being, the "Divine pelasgus", be born in arcadia, long before making the moon”
Pindar's narration could appear as poetically, or even mythically, inspired, thought long later scientists have proved that the moon is formed by fragments separated from our globe.
Homer mentions the Pelasgians between allied with the Troyans, (Iliad, II, 840-843) and narrates that Achille prayed “PELASGIAN ZEUS OF DODONA” (the Iliad, XVI, 223). Homer also mentions them also like “PEOPLE of Crete”, (Odyssey, XIX, 177).
The Eforo historian reports of a book of Esiodo that attests the tradition of people of the Pelasgians in Arcadia and develops the theory that was people of warriors from a “native land” that annexed and had colonized all the regions of the Greece in which the ancient authors they make signal they, from Dodona to Clay to the fine Triade in Italy, where their very recognizable takeovers are anchor in the time of the Elleni and in are tightened relation with the “Tyrrhenian ones”.
The characteristic structure of the masonry of the citadel of Atene has made that all the constructions in squared blocks and without the use of malta have not had the name, of “pelasgian masonry” exactly as sometimes they are said “walls gigant(ciclopiche in italian language)”, that is constructed from the Pelasgians, those who taught to the Greeks the methods of the constructions
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]We could continue to the infinite with citations of the Pelasgians, in order to always finish in any case and that the civilizations in general terms begin with the Pelasgians, but the main question that rises to this point is: They still exist? If yes, who are they today?
Nermin Vlora Falaski, in its book “Linguistic and genetic heredities” (written also in English language), has deciphered to registrations Etruscan and Pelasgic with the today's Albanian language. This would try that the Albanians (Descendants of the Illyrians) are the modern descendants of the Pelasgians, one of most ancient civilizations that lived Europe. Here of continuation we will propose some translations of Falaski.
Therefore, in Italy it exists the locality of the TOSCHI (the Tuscany), therefore as the Toschi lives in the “Toskeria”, in southern Albania.
Note: Many authors support that the Tosk word, or Tok, is the "DHE" synonym, a lot that today in Albanian uses indifferently word "DHE" that that TOK in order to say “earth”.
In Tuscany an ancient city is founded from the Pelasgians, that is Cortona, (Famous is called, in Albanian: COR=harvest, TONA=nostri, that is “our harvests”). From the immense and fertile plain of the Val di Chiana it is approached a fast hill, in top to which a beautifulst castle is found, transformed in archaeological museum. In means to a large epigrafic patrimony, there is also one particularly beautiful registration and interesting, on a sarcophagus bearing the following inscription.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nermin Vlora Falaski simply translated this written pelasgian with the Albanian language:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“The ship is for us pride, courage and liberty”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Ire, ira, in albanian has the positive meaning of "pride", while in english, as well as in latin, italian and in old french stands for "anger". It could make one deduce that ira is a reason of pride in war, becoming negative in peace. However, in albanian the word is rather obsolete. In Sanskrit, latin, spanish, the word ir, ire, means "to go", But with the slight change from ir to iras, in sanskrit means "hostile behavoiur". The several sources inform to us that the Greeks learned from the Pelasgians not only the art of the working of the metals, of the construction of wall, but they learned, perfecting it, their way to write and made their divinity own, like as an example DE-MITRA (Dhe=earth Mitra=womb, that is the GODDESS MOTHER EARTH), let alone AFER-DITA (Afer=near, Dita=day, later call Venus from the Romans).
The Pelasgians, that were called also “The Sea People”, since was skillful and free navigators, they called ILLYRIA (ILLYRIA for the Romans) their homeland: witch meant the country of the free people (lir=free), as a land spanning from the mediterranean to the Danube.
The Root of the word lir can be traced in the following languages: Pelasgo-illyrian (Liri), Etruscan (Liri), Albanian (Liri), Italian (libertа), French (Liberte), Latin (libertas), English (liberty), Spanish (libertad), Rumanian (libertade), Portuguese (liberdade).
In Italy, and precisely in the Lazio, it exists the Liri mount, let alone the Liri river, and Liri Fountain. This name has been conserved during the centuries in several the Mediterranean European countries, a lot probably through the “irradiation” of the several illiric tribes, like the Etruscans, the Messapi, the Dauni, the Veneti, the Piceni, etj, Everyone of these names has meaning in the Albanian language: ETRURIA (E=of, TRURIA= Brain, country of intelligent people), MESSAPI (MES=center, HAPI=open, country of open people), DAUNI (dauni, separated), to VENETI (name to you deriving from the goddess VEND, native land, place for excellence), PICENI (PI=to drink, KENI=you have, place with abundant water).
The "Pelasgian" name can be reported to Albanian word PELLG (deep sea), like in Italian “pelago”.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This is a illiyric registration, dated between the III-II century a.C, than currently it is found in the archaeological museum of Durres, in Albania:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Underego your pain and weep, if that helps you anguish, but entrust him to the warm earth, to the Heavenly Grace and to the Supreme Good”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is important to notice that the language of this registration is so similar to the today's Albanian, than with difficulty can be thought that it goes back more than two thousand years ago.
Normally, the more ancient inscriptionsare written from right to left, sometimes continuing alternately from left to right, namely in a bustrophedic way, often without interru[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ption between each word. the Durres documents we have just seen, is formulated from left to right, revealing a relatively recent engraving and the writing always went from left to right.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The word "ZI" (or "SI") appears also in this inscription, very short but remarkable for tenor, found at Feltre[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]We suffer grief without end"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It must hold always present that the linguistic wealth of the people is the only incontestable archives documentary, species when other tests lack, but is above all the main testimony of the human creativity.
Several scholars uphold the thesis of the monogenesis of the languages, particularly during these last 2 centuries, when the progress of the communications has given to the persons the possibility to move with facility and of having contacts also with populations in remote zones much fastly.
Alfredo Trombetti, Elia Lattes and Francisco have been cited the Italian students Disgust which is valid supporters of this thesis, beyond that to the illyric origin of the italian populations. Beyond to cited authors, there are other scholars, let alone German, Austrians, French and English who assert the illyrica origin of the italian populations. A particular merit goes to prof the Zacharie Mayani, teacher to the Sorbona, which in years 1970 has published 3 large volumes, in order to support that the Etruscan language it can be understand only through the Albanian language. In order to verify the truth of its discovery, it has studied the Albanian, before to Paris, therefore one has oed in Albania, in order to perfect itself. The three volumes publish to you from Mayani are entitled: “Les Etrusques Commencent a Parler”, “Les Etrusques Parlent” and “La fin du Mystиre Etrousque”.
In any case, he who for first has launch and diffused the idea of the monogenesis of the languages it was Sir William Jones (1746-1794), famous orientalist that to the end of its intense life knew 28 languages. However, in our days, the valid supporter of this thesis is prof. the Colin Renfrew of the university of Cambridge, who in his work “Archeaology and Linguistics” published in 1989, he writes:
“The main reason of the publication of this my job is in order to put in evidence that the archeologists of these last years, in order to recompose the past has not taken in the due consideration the witness of linguistics”.
in our globe, there is always a horizon, beyond which it is not possible to see. Therefore, as far as the antiquity, our Divine horizon are the Pelasgians. Being be they the first inventors of the phonetic writing, we cannot deny that the true culture begins with the Pelasgi, as however we have learned from several authors of the antiquity.
For the time being, let us put aside the linguistic correspondences and let us read some inscription found from the Aegean to the Atlantic with the samewords with a common meaning, such as Yj, Arno, Reze etc.
We may begin with words found in Albania, all pelasgo-Illyrian origin. On this little temple of the III century B.C found and kept in the city-state of Apollonia (west-Albania) we can read:[/FONT]

 

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[FONT=&quot]The Child entrusted to this temple, now is deified. Let it be for the Good!"[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]After to have read this illyric registration, than, without a doubt, it corresponds to the Modern Albanian, concentrated the essence of just meant, hour we read of it an equally beautiful other, of Durres, than as the previous one narrates of Deification (YJNERIM) and that it belongs to III the century a.C:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Oh, (Lord) deify her and make her belong to Thou. Let it be for the good!"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Herodotus has explained to us that, before the arrival of the Greeks, that territory was called PELASGIA. Also it has told to us that the Greeks learned from the Pelasgians the art of the working of the metals, the construction of walls, the writing that refined and that until the discovery of the Latin, was the only divulgative writing. Still today, in the several museums of Albania are epigraphs written up with the Greek alphabet, whose contained it is comprised however not with the Greek language, but with that Albanian, with the exceptions ofa few neologism. We shall have later the opportunity to examine some of these inscriptions.
Hour we were dealing the registrations that contain words YJ (stars) like already seen, let alone those with ARNO (Creator) and REZE (beams).
Since we speak about the monogenesis of the languages, we return to this river of the Adriatic and read in the archaeological museum of Siena this registration that is found on a wonderful one sarcophagus, where moreover all and the three words are found with that we mean to deal (YJ, REZE and ARNO).
From the relief shown in front of the sarcophags with personages in a state of meditation and with the Godness Vend in the middle it is easy to deduce a cosmonogiv meaning of the inscription:[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]As we know, the Etruscans called themselves Resa. Let us now recompose this inscription in its dynamic modern form
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Arno, (Creator), as you for us are in the stars, you deserve be commemorate by all the Etruscans (Resa)”.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The word “ARNO” today we find it alone in the Albanian language with declassed meaning of “restorer”, but, to restore one damaged what, means “to recreate it”, therefore the interpretation of the word very many ARNO in this and other registrations of the Etruria task is valid.
Moreover, there is the very famous river ARNO who bathes, between others, the flourishing city of Florence: and we know that the civilizations always are been born close to important rivers.
YJ (stars): neanche this word has been found in other languages, unless the Albanian, also being much common one in epigrafici documents of the antiquity, from the Aegean to the Atlantic. YJ, YJNOR, HYJNERON are coming from terms from the pelasgo-illirico-Etruscan. In fact, they are found some in abundance in their registrations, but today they are used alone in the Albanian language. From this it can be deduced that the several shapes of YJ could be of origin proto-Indo-European. And it can be arrived to this conclusion taking in consideration all the other Indo-European languages that do not call “YJE” the stars, but: Sanscrito (Astra), Italian (astro, stella), Spanish (Estrella), Portuguese (Estrela), English (Stars), Greek (Aster) Persian (Setareh), German (Stern).
In the Iberian Peninsula registrations much similar to those of the Illiria are found and of the Etruria, recorded with the pelagic alphabet and are always interpreted through the Albanian.
We have mentioned the registrations with word YJE and derivatives. Now, in order to remain in the topic, between the other registrations of the Portugal of the South, discoveries to first of XVIII the century and up to now never deciphered, we see this epigrafe that it appears on the stele n.22:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“I have dedicated It to the divinity when I was still while still alive”[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who had interesting material in order to help the planning of the website or to signal imperfections is the welcome, remember the email: PelasgicMoon@hotmail.it[/FONT]

 

[TpH_Bo_OkO]

Постираше, ок. Ајде објасни. Што е проблемот? Илирите пишувале од десно на лево, или од лево на десно? Местата, каде се пронајдени инскрипциите?

И немој да мислиш дека не проверувам што и како е преведно на инскрипциите...

RO(Илирски) - RO(Aлбански) - превод: Живот?!? A „jetе“ што е?!

APA - JAPA - Dedicated....Посветен...На албански се вика kushtuem

CUME - kumtime - commemoration....Комеморација...на албански се вика komemorativ

ARNO - Arno - Creator....Создавач...На албански се вика krijues


Да продолжам треба ли?

Реков јас...Ни трошка...ни трошче....:ples:

 

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Ова личи на се друго, ама не и на серозна лигвистичка работа.

“The word “ARNO” today we find it alone in the Albanian language with declassed meaning of “restorer”“

Јас мислам дека например тој збор може да се пронајде и во македонскиот јазик...

“The "Pelasgian" name can be reported to Albanian word PELLG (deep sea), like in Italian “pelago”.“

Нели веќе се кажа од каде доаѓа тоа албанско-романска поврзаност. По истат логика ако се споредат сите романски зборови во албанскиот ќе “откриеме“ дека и латинците се всушност албанци и дека романците позајмувале од нив !

Инаку , ако не се лажам Хезихиус, беше напишал дека “пела“ е македонски збор со значење “камен“.

Sturmgewehr, дај да видиме што имаш повеќе. Инаку ти се допаѓаат зборчињата ?

 

[Sturmgewehr]

Грешка суи пиле Јапа = има истотака мислење на Посветување по Албански

пример:

UN DO TA JAP JETEN TIME PER TY

иа исто Значење јас ке го посветам мојот живот на тебе

ај Приодолжи да те виам што ке се исфантазираш :baeh: :baeh:

Пукни сега којзане по што веб Страници барш ад се одмазиш си мислиш во себе ЛЕЛЕ ОВИЈЕ Албанци МЕ ЗАЕБА ММММММММ МОРА МОРААА ДА СЕ ОДМАЗДАМ ај не се уорвај добро ти е објаснето таму и тоа го има преведено некој со подобро знаење од тебе така шшто ти тешко ке дајш критики

 

[TpH_Bo_OkO]

Не сум јас прост човек како тебе па така да мислам мило. Читам анализирам и реагирам. И не се нервирај толку, сепак ова е дискусија.

Во мојот пост, има и прашања. Зошто не се одговорени?

 

[enhallon]

prvo nemas nekoe drudo popametno prasanje posto jas ne sum arkeolog,kriptolog naumizmolog i ne znam sto ima drugo;
vtoro gradite kade sto se najdeni i drugi nesta za se ti e objasnato gore samo citaj malce
treto: izbrisi go posledniot post posto katastrofa ti e hghgh:pos2::pos2::pos2:

 

[Sturmgewehr]

Ова личи на се друго, ама не и на серозна лигвистичка работа.

“The word “ARNO” today we find it alone in the Albanian language with declassed meaning of “restorer”“

Јас мислам дека например тој збор може да се пронајде и во македонскиот јазик...

“The "Pelasgian" name can be reported to Albanian word PELLG (deep sea), like in Italian “pelago”.“

Нели веќе се кажа од каде доаѓа тоа албанско-романска поврзаност. По истат логика ако се споредат сите романски зборови во албанскиот ќе “откриеме“ дека и латинците се всушност албанци и дека романците позајмувале од нив !

Инаку , ако не се лажам Хезихиус, беше напишал дека “пела“ е македонски збор со значење “камен“.

Sturmgewehr, дај да видиме што имаш повеќе. Инаку ти се допаѓаат зборчињата ?

да бе Пелг Камен Значело а кај го користие тој Збвор вие или е изумрен.

Македонскли немало имало Старо Словенски коа словените дошле од Карпатите и после се створиа друфите јазици ко Србски и Бугарски и Хрвтски Македноскиот е деривт на Старословенскиот.

Дај докази каде е споната акедонија пред Авној 1943 .

 

[TpH_Bo_OkO]

Ајјј.... Ти незнаеш авној која година било заседанието, па ќе прашуваш понатака...

prvo nemas nekoe drudo popametno prasanje posto jas ne sum arkeolog,kriptolog naumizmolog i ne znam sto ima drugo

Значи ти друшкане, благо речено поима немаш што постираш на темава....

 

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да бе Пелг Камен Значело а кај го користие тој Збвор вие или е изумрен.

Македонскли немало имало Старо Словенски коа словените дошле од Карпатите и после се створиа друфите јазици ко Србски и Бугарски и Хрвтски Македноскиот е деривт на Старословенскиот.

Дај докази каде е споната акедонија пред Авној 1943 .

Па не сум држел раката на Хесихиј кога напишал “пела-камен“ , тоа е факт. Ама си доволно помешан со јазиците, ништо не тие јасно, само ќе ти кажам дека античкиот македонски е од пред новата ера, а старословенскиот од пети век нова ера натаму.

А ова за АВНОЈ ти е баш наместо - па имаше едни будали што прогласиа Македонска република во 1903 година. Имаше и едни други уште поголеми будали кои пак во 1878 година прогласиа Автономна Македонија .

 

[Sturmgewehr]

Епа ти сега Зборувш Македонски Старословенскли и се декларираш Антички Макеоднец значи автоматски си Фалц Макеоднец цим тие во 5 век дошле ако си ти македонец ке зборуваш Старо Макеонски али се знае кој е стро Македонскиот тој е Илирскиот јазик и Грчкиот Старо МК биле Илири и Грци и Траци не треси.

Дај Докуенти кога се случило тоа во 18хх ад видам ко што два Енхалон за Буигарските Брака миладиновци јасно пишува таму Бугарски народни Песни.

Уште Еднаш Дај да видам факти дека Старословенскиот Потекнува од Макеоднскиот по тие Црковни записи и 100 чуда али знам дека не можеш едно треба да ти е јасно не сме слепи се знае дека Македонскиот потекнува од Старословенскиот тоа е UNDENIABLE FACT

 

[anaveno]

“The "Pelasgian" name can be reported to Albanian word PELLG (deep sea), like in Italian “pelago”.“

ne zameraj,na Popaj mornarite,od spanakot im e "zelenoto"...

 

[TpH_Bo_OkO]

А ова за АВНОЈ ти е баш наместо - па имаше едни будали што прогласиа Македонска република во 1903 година. Имаше и едни други уште поголеми будали кои пак во 1878 година прогласиа Автономна Македонија .

Ама на кого му го кажуваш ова...

Првите школи во Албанија ги отворија Срби и Хрвати...

Првата литература во Албанија...Македонец...


Тоа неможе да се избрише, затоа што е факт, а овој, ем шуто, ем боде...како Козле Бозле, ама далеку поглупава верзија од него....

prvo:jas go imam volkot ne mi trebat tragite.
vtoro:nema da dadam moe mislenje posto mozam da gresam i zatoa treba naucno mislenje.a ti vednas se napravi albanolog i prevedese na albanski a nemas poim za eden zbor na albanski, ne znam kako mozes da postapuvas taka, no ti davam eden sovet u opstp drug pat bez da bides malku siguren ne zboruvaj ke go umres nekoj od smeenje ghghg

Па ако се смеам како тебе „гхгхгхгх“ нормално дека ќе се задавам...баш би сакал да слушам какво е ова смеење...

Останатото, сигурен сум јас секогаш 100% во тоа што го постирам, па затоа луѓето измислиле речници, книги, писанија и научни трудови...тоа додуша за тебе е далеку во вселена ама не ни очекувам да имаш барем нешто прочитано повеќе од знаци на патот...