Wikileaks и Julian Assange (генерална дискусија)

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Уредниците на TIME ќе гласаат утре во TODAY шоуто што се емитува на NBC.

1. Асанж - 382,023 гласа
2. Реџеп - 233,638 гласа

Ваљда нема нивниот глас да вреди 148,385 :)
Официјално ќе дознаеме утре.
 

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Многу луѓе се јавуваат за да ја покријат кауцијата за Асанж да може да се брани од слобода.

2.57pm: Sarah Saunders, a restaurant designer and friend of Assange, signs document offering 150,000 as surety, writes Vikram Dodd from the court. She says it is almost all the money she has.

2.51pm: It looks likely that Assange will be granted bail, Vikram Dodd

He adds: "Over £200,000 offered in surety for bail. Court told ten international public figures also offering surety.


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Потписи молам :)

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Guardian напиша:
3.25pm: Assange has been granted bail, to cheers from inside and outside the court.
Значи, го пуштија на слобода додека да одлучат дали ќе го екстрадираат во Шведска.

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Guardian напиша:
3.36pm: Hang on. Swedish prosecutors plan to launch an appeal against the decision to grant Assange bail. They have two hours to do lodge an appeal. Assange will not be freed until that process is over.
 

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Значи, го пуштија на слобода додека да одлучат дали ќе го екстрадираат во Шведска.
Одлично! Сега кога е „надвор“ ќе може и тој да каже што има. Честитки и за сите интелектуалци и јавни личности кои донираа пари за да се соберат 200 000 фунти за кауцијата на Асанж.
 

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5.26pm: Forget the last half an hour – the decision will be challenged by the Swedish authorities. There's going to be an appeal within 48 hours, Sam reports.
Толку од веселите вести.. утре или задутре шведските обвинители ќе поднесат жалба за одлуката на судот, па дури тогаш ќе биде одлучено дали Асанж ќе биде пуштен во домашен притвор или ќе остане во затвор.
 

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Толку од веселите вести.. утре или задутре шведските обвинители ќе поднесат жалба за одлуката на судот, па дури тогаш ќе биде одлучено дали Асанж ќе биде пуштен во домашен притвор или ќе остане во затвор.
Па добро, нормално дека ќе се жалат. Некој од адвокатите денеска изјавил: престапот заради кој Шведска бара да се екстрадира Асанж, во Британија не е ни престап :)

Енивеј, задолжително четиво од чичко Мајкл Мур во кое многу убаво објаснил одредени поенти. Бидејќи немам време за превод, само ќе болдирам некои работи:
Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail.
Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars.


We were taken to war in Iraq on a lie. Hundreds of thousands are now dead. Just imagine if the men who planned this war crime back in 2002 had had a WikiLeaks to deal with. They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again.

So why is WikiLeaks, after performing such an important public service, under such vicious attack? Because they have outed and embarrassed those who have covered up the truth. The assault on them has been over the top:


They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again.


  • Michael Moore's diary :: ::
**Sen. Joe Lieberman says WikiLeaks "has violated the Espionage Act."

**The New Yorker's George Packer calls Assange "super-secretive, thin-skinned, [and] megalomaniacal."


**Sarah Palin claims he's "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands" whom we should pursue "with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders."

**Democrat Bob Beckel (Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign manager) said about Assange on Fox: "A dead man can't leak stuff ... there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch."

**Republican Mary Matalin says "he's a psychopath, a sociopath ... He's a terrorist."

**Rep. Peter A. King calls WikiLeaks a "terrorist organization."


And indeed they are! They exist to terrorize the liars and warmongers who have brought ruin to our nation and to others. Perhaps the next war won't be so easy because the tables have been turned -- and now it's Big Brother who's being watched ... by us!

WikiLeaks deserves our thanks for shining a huge spotlight on all this. But some in the corporate-owned press have dismissed the importance of WikiLeaks ("they've released little that's new!") or have painted them as simple anarchists ("WikiLeaks just releases everything without any editorial control!"). WikiLeaks exists, in part, because the mainstream media has failed to live up to its responsibility. The corporate owners have decimated newsrooms, making it impossible for good journalists to do their job. There's no time or money anymore for investigative journalism. Simply put, investors don't want those stories exposed. They like their secrets kept ... as secrets.

I ask you to imagine how much different our world would be if WikiLeaks had existed 10 years ago. Take a look at this photo. That's Mr. Bush about to be handed a "secret" document on August 6th, 2001. Its heading read: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US." And on those pages it said the FBI had discovered "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Mr. Bush decided to ignore it and went fishing for the next four weeks.
But if that document had been leaked, how would you or I have reacted? What would Congress or the FAA have done?
Was there not a greater chance that someone, somewhere would have done something if all of us knew about bin Laden's impending attack using hijacked planes?

But back then only a few people had access to that document. Because the secret was kept, a flight school instructor in San Diego who noticed that two Saudi students took no interest in takeoffs or landings, did nothing. Had he read about the bin Laden threat in the paper, might he have called the FBI?

(Please read this essay by former FBI Agent Coleen Rowley, Time's 2002 co-Person of the Year, about her belief that had WikiLeaks been around in 2001, 9/11 might have been prevented.)

Or what if the public in 2003 had been able to read "secret" memos from Dick Cheney as he pressured the CIA to give him the "facts" he wanted in order to build his false case for war? If a WikiLeaks had revealed at that time that there were, in fact, no weapons of mass destruction, do you think that the war would have been launched -- or rather, wouldn't there have been calls for Cheney's arrest?

Openness, transparency -- these are among the few weapons the citizenry has to protect itself from the powerful and the corrupt. What if within days of August 4th, 1964 -- after the Pentagon had made up the lie that our ship was attacked by the North Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin -- there had been a WikiLeaks to tell the American people that the whole thing was made up? I guess 58,000 of our soldiers (and 2 million Vietnamese) might be alive today.
Instead, secrets killed them.

For those of you who think it's wrong to support Julian Assange because of the sexual assault allegations he's being held for, all I ask is that you not be naive about how the government works when it decides to go after its prey. Please -- never, ever believe the "official story." And regardless of Assange's guilt or innocence (see the strange nature of the allegations here), this man has the right to have bail posted and to defend himself. I have joined with filmmakers Ken Loach and John Pilger and writer Jemima Khan in putting up the bail money -- and we hope the judge will accept this and grant his release today.

Might WikiLeaks cause some unintended harm to diplomatic negotiations and U.S. interests around the world? Perhaps. But that's the price you pay when you and your government take us into a war based on a lie. Your punishment for misbehaving is that someone has to turn on all the lights in the room so that we can see what you're up to. You simply can't be trusted. So every cable, every email you write is now fair game. Sorry, but you brought this upon yourself. No one can hide from the truth now. No one can plot the next Big Lie if they know that they might be exposed.

And that is the best thing that WikiLeaks has done. WikiLeaks, God bless them, will save lives as a result of their actions. And any of you who join me in supporting them are committing a true act of patriotism. Period.


I stand today in absentia with Julian Assange in London and I ask the judge to grant him his release. I am willing to guarantee his return to court with the bail money I have wired to said court. I will not allow this injustice to continue unchallenged.

P.S. You can read the statement I filed today in the London court here.

P.P.S. If you're reading this in London, please go support Julian Assange and WikiLeaks at a demonstration at 1 PM today, Tuesday the 14th, in front of the Westminster court.
Задолжително четиво, лектира! Браво за Мајкл Мур кој беше критикуван дека ги критикува само републиканците во САД. Иако отворено признава дека е демократ, не му пречеше да ги построи. „Никогаш не верувајте на официјалната приказна.“ Кратко и јасно.

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Go sakam asanz ... edinstveniot najsilen najsmel heroj na denesnicava.Izleguva so fakti, ne se plase i prodolzuva da trese korporacii.Nemozat nisto da mu napravat .. ne smeat da go pipnat veruvajte.Asanz ne moze da umre.Ako asanz umre, umira i "demokratijata" i duri togas kje videte kako obicniot smrtnik (homo sapiens) kje se bori za svoeto pravo t.e. DA JA OSOZNAE VISTINATA !
Abe mnogu go sakam ... kako e samo taka krotok, taka mirno izgleda a kolku silno drma.Prosto e strasno fenomenalno kako covekot ima informacija za se i od se, ZAREM ne vi e malku cudno ????? ;) ....
 
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Зошто да не се судат тие што направиле злосторства против човештвото, врз НЕГОВИОТ народ!
Зашто? Затоа што можда ВМРО ќе го искористело тоа судењње да ги ојача своите позииции.(???)

Ех, бре и кога ќе си помислам дека не можат да бидат по долни, они одма ме демантираат.

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Зашто за овој факт не се збори во нашава јавност, кога во некоја (ваљда било која) друга држава, ова би предизвикало прилично голем политички земјотрес? Одговорот лежи во структурата на она што го нарекуваме јавност.

Фрапантно е дека справувањето со криминалот на Рамковски бил БЕНЧМАРК за Македонија да биде примена во НАТО!! :icon_eek: :icon_eek:

Ееееј Вељо бил бенчмарк!!

Срамно и бедно однесување на А1 која ја цензурираше оваа вест. За Бучко ја даваат веста, а за Вељо не целосно!!

Што да се каже па за криминалното и предавничко однесување на Бучко?!

Ја лажел државата и сиротите родители на исчезнатите, не лажел сите нас без око да му трепне, а еве и денес не му трепнува. Замислете на целата мака да имате членови на семејство што се исчезнати, додатно да се игра со вас еден будала!? Еееј одел ДА СЕ ПАЗАРИ во Америчка амбасада, барал да нема никаков пишан документ заедно со јавниот обвинител. :twisted: :twisted:

За Ел Масри решил да лаже и да се прави мутав, а сите ние плаќаме за таа љага. И буквално плаќаме.

Ова е поразително за нас како нација и држава!!

Ама барем го лизнале Америте и тоа толку многу што изгледа кретенот на изборите се изгубил во времето и просторот.
И верувајте ми се гади.:pov:

Само се прашувам можат ли семејствата на исчезнатите да го гонат кривично?? :raz::raz:
 

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Добро бе,што е работава.Јунанистан да не ги потплатил и Wikileaks?Како од нив сеуште нема ни еден документ?

Athens Embassy ?
 

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Добро бе,што е работава.Јунанистан да не ги потплатил и Wikileaks?Како од нив сеуште нема ни еден документ?

Athens Embassy ?
Има 600 докумети поврзани со надворешната политика на Грција кои чекаат на објавување. Ама со оглед на целокупната фрка, се знае сега што е приоритет. Ако преживее Викиликс, ќе има што да се прочита.

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In a January 2008 meeting, US and Spain trade officials strategized how to increase acceptance of genetically modified foods in Europe, including inflating food prices on the commodities market, according to a leaked US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks.
During the meeting, Secretary of State for International Trade, Pedro Mejia, and Secretary General Alfredo Bonet “noted that commodity price hikes might spur greater liberalization on biotech imports.”
It seems Wall Street traders got the word. By June 2008, food prices had spiked so severely that “The Economist announced that the real price of food had reached its highest level since 1845, the year the magazine first calculated the number,” reports Fred Kaufman in The Food Bubble: How Wall Street starved millions and got away with it.
The unprecedented high in food prices in 2008 caused an additional 250 million people to go hungry, pushing the global number to over a billion. 2008 is also the first year “since such statistics have been kept, that the proportion of the world’s population without enough to eat ratcheted upward,” said Kaufman.
All to boost acceptance of GM foods, and done via a trading scheme on which Wall Street speculators profited enormously.
Mass food riots in several nations ensued, as did an investigation by the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, resulting in a finding that, yes, unrestricted speculation in food commodities caused soaring prices.
In a comment at the end of the cable, the diplomat also revealed a level of pessimism about Spain’s willingness to help force GM foods on Europe:
“This was a very good substantive discussion. However, it is clear that while Spain will continue sometimes to vote in favor of biotechnology liberalization proposals, the Spaniards will tread warily on this issue given their own domestic sensitivities and other equities Spain has in the EU.”
That pessimism was largely unfounded, as “Spain planted 80 percent of all the Bt maize in the EU in 2009 and maintained its record adoption rate of 22 percent from the previous year,” noted a report by the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications (ISAAA).
The leaked cables, amounting to over 1,300 right now, reveal US obsession with expanding the biotech market:
One leaked cable confirms US concern with promoting GM foods in Africa, which Richard Brenneman described as “a significant item on the State Department’s agenda.”

  • In another leaked cable describing the potential to expand US interests in “isolationist” Austria, that nation’s ban on GM foods is highlighted.

  • According to a leaked cable from 2007, of concern was French President Sarkozy’s desire to implement a ban on GM foods in line with populist sentiment. According to GM Free Regions, France maintains its opposition to GM foods today.

More may be revealed in the remaining cables.
Profiteering Leaves World open to Future Price Manipulation
Food commodity speculation was enabled in 2000 by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Deregulation handyman Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) introduced the bill, coauthored by financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN), the chairman of the Agriculture Committee.
Mother Jones describes the legislative climate when the bill passed:
“As part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown….
“Gramm’s most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act.”
Not only did that Act enable the subprime meltdown that crashed the economy and put tens of millions into foreclosure, it also enabled Wall Street investors to artificially spike the price of food.
“Bankers had taken control of the world’s food, money chased money, and a billion people went hungry,” Kaufman clarified.
After a year long investigation, he confirmed that price hikes in food from 2005 thru the peak in June 2008 had nothing to do with the supply chain, but instead occurred as a result of a Wall Street investment scheme known as Commodity Investment Funds. The first to develop the idea was Goldman Sachs, which took 18 different food sources, including cattle, coffee, cocoa, corn, hogs and wheat, and created an investment package. Kaufman explains:
“They weighted the investment value of each element, blended and commingled the parts into sums, then reduced what had been a complicated collection of real things into a mathematical formula that could be expressed as a single manifestation, to be known thenceforward as the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index. Then they began to offer shares.”
(Kaufman summarizes his report in this June 2010 interview by interview.)
Kaufman points out that also in 2008, ConAgra Foods was able to sell its trading arm to a hedge fund for $2.8 billion. The world’s largest grain trader and GMO giant, Cargill, recorded an 86% jump in annual profits in the first quarter of 2008, attributed to commodity trading and an expanding biofuels market. The Star Tribune calculated that Cargill earned $471,611 an hour that quarter.
The investment bubble burst in June 2008 and “aggregate commodity prices fell about 60% by mid-November 2008,” notes Steve Suppan of the Institute for Agricultural and Trade Policy. Though the US House of Representatives introduced a regulatory bill, “legislative loopholes will exempt at least 40-45%” of such trades. Supporting the loopholes is Cargill, among other multinational corporations. Suppan concludes:
“The outlook for a sustainable and transparent financial system to underwrite trade dependent food security is not good… [T]he budget for the just launched congressional Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, scheduled to report December 15, [2010] is just $8 million. The Wall Street lobbying budget for defeating financial reform legislation is thus far $344 million…”
The final bill was signed into law in July 2010 (summarized by the New York Times), and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission continues to issue new rules purportedly aimed at regulating financial markets. “But big banks influence the rules governing derivatives through a variety of industry groups,” notes another New York Times piece.
Did the artificial price hike open EU doors to GM foods?
No, in fact ISAAA noted that: “Six European countries planted 94,750 hectares of biotech crops in 2009, down from seven countries and 107,719 hectares in 2008, as Germany discontinued its planting.”
A closer look at EU member state actions on GM foods after June 2008 details some of the GM-free battle in Europe:
In December 2008, after a ten-year hiatus, Italy agreed to open field tests of GM crops.

  • The Czech Republic became the second largest grower of Bt corn in the EU in 2008, nearly doubling the acreage planted in 2007. The USDA characterized it as being an investment target not only in agriculture but also in vaccine development.

  • At the EU level, “In an apparent U-turn in his attitude as one of EU executive’s most GM-wary commissioners, environment chief Stavros Dimas” wrote draft approvals for two more varieties of GM corn, reported Reuters in December 2008.


  • Though pressured by the European Commission, in January 2009 Hungary refused to lift its ban on GM foods. Its sovereign right to reject GMOs, along with Austria’s, was later upheld by an EU vote with 20 member states supporting such bans.

  • In March 2009, Luxembourg became the fifth EU nation to ban GM foods, following France, Hungary, Greece and Austria.

 

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For updates and a more thorough history of EU actions on GM foods, see GMO-Free Europe. European states handle the issue differently than in the US, allowing regions within a nation to maintain GM-free zones. Each step a nation takes toward GM approval invariably draws regional resistance.
Biotech Crops Expand Globally in 2009
Though the strategy to hike food prices to spur European acceptance of GM foods failed, it worked elsewhere. Globally, biotech crops expanded by 7% in 2009 over 2008 figures, according to this chart by ISAAA:

In fact, ISAAA asserted GM expansion was due to the 2008 price hikes, as noted by chairman and founder Clive James: “With last year’s food crisis, price spikes, and hunger and malnutrition afflicting more than 1 billion people for the first time ever, there has been a global shift from efforts for just food security to food self-sufficiency.”
Poorer nations hardest hit by hunger — in Africa and South America — are more vulnerable to price hikes. But even after the geologically unusual earthquake in January, Haitian farmers rejected Monsanto’s “gift” of GM seeds. However, the big push remains in Africa and China.
A Wary Future
Although it is now widely accepted that Wall Street speculation caused the food bubble, starving hundreds of millions, regulators have so far failed to curb the practices that allow international banksters to manipulate food prices.
Meanwhile, the biotech industry continues to repeat its mantra that GM food can cure world hunger. This claim is not backed by the science and it seems to hold less sway in the GM food debate, especially with the Pope recognizing what many others assert: There is no shortage of food; hunger expanded because of price hikes.


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УТРЕ ЌЕ СЕ ЗНАЕ ОДЛУКАТА ЗА АСАНЖ


Лондонскиот Виш суд утре ќе расправа за жалбата на шведските правосудни власти, по одлуката на судијата на судот во Вестминстер да го ослободи основачот на Викиликс Џулијан Асанж со кауција. Тогаш ќе се знае дали тој ќе остане во затвор до следната судска расправа за екстрадиција во Шведска, што е закажана за 11 јануари, или до конечната одлука на судот во Лондон, ќе може да се брани од слобода, јави дописникот на МИА од Лондон.

Асанж се спротивставува на екстрадицијата тврдејќи дека не се точни обвинувањата за криминалот што му се припишува, како и дека тие се политички мотивирани, за да се одврати интересот на светот од публикувањето на тајните документи на американската дипломатија.

Еден од неговите адвокати изјави денеска дека тие прифатиле да се исплати кауција од 200 илјади фунти на судот и уште два пати по 20 илјади фунти исплата за двајцата гаранти, но инсистираше дека тоа е овозможено благодарејќи на „големата поддршка“ што ја има меѓу активистите за човекови права, како и некои од познатите лондонски јавни личности.

Одбараната на Асанж и понатаму се сомнева во мотивите на шведските правосудни власти, тврдејќи дека обвинувањата се однесуваат за случаи на најнизок степен на силување, според шведскиот кривичен закон, за кои досега не барале екстрадиција. Адвокатите сметаат дека за тие обвинувања Асанж не може да биде екстрадиран, затоа што според британските закони тоа не е силување, не прифаќајќи дека делата се извршени во Шведска и подлежат на одредбите на тамошните закони.

Судот во Вестминстер за Асанж наложи да му биде одземен пасошот до конечното решение, да носи на раката електронска алка и секоја вечер да се јавува на полицијата во Сафолк, каде ќе престојува. Како место на живеалиште е определена куќата на британскиот новинар Ван Смит. Тој претпладнево изјави дека се согласил да му даде засолниште на Асанж, ако Вишиот суд утре го потврди ослободувањето со кауција, затоа што го поддржува, но призна дека не се согласува со сето она што беше јавно публикувано на Викиликс.
 

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