Кој е вашиот господ?

[The Mad Doc]

Сонцето,Месечината,Ветрот и Земјата.Само тие нешто ми даваат и си ја заслужиле титулата Господ.

 

[smart ass]

кој барал одговори ке ги добие инаку имате порција сирење и ви велат торта е и вие веривате
I don't know where to start: this video is a complete lie.

First off, the video is full of misinformation about Horus. He was baptized? Oh really! I would love to see a source for that!

Most of the supposed parallels are completely untrue!

Actually, Muslim apologists have been trying to do this for centuries--to say that Christianity is really just another form of paganism. But that's a lie.

Most of the information in this video seems to come from Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy (1999), which is a sensationalist book which has zero academic credibility. If you want to learn about Horus you can рead the ancient myths about him--
Egyptian Mythology: Horus
Encyclopedia Mythica: Horus
The Eye Of Horus
Tektonics: Horus, Isis, Osirisr

Let's go over just some of the data:

1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.

That's just off the top of my head. That should give you some indication though about the reliability of this film. In short, its claims are lies that are told to sell books. But no scholar in the world would accept this stuff--only the ignorant. Anybody can get a book published or a video made and say whatever they want. That doesn't make it true.

Moreover, to think that Jesus didn't exist is absolutely, positively unfounded, unhistorical, and unrealistic.

Those who opposed Chrstianity from the very beginning never asserted that Jesus didn't exist--in fact, they made all kinds of slanderous claims against Jesus. But they never asserted he was a myth.

In fact, there's more evidence Jesus existed than virtually any one else in antiquity.

... and there isn't a single respectable scholar today--Christian or secular--who would make such a claim. Only those who haven't studied the issue seriously could say such a thing.

Hope that helps...

***UPDATE***

I just want to add a few things here to address some of the comments made below.

For example, when John Allegro attempted to publish a translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, fourteen Oxford scholars wrote to the publisher and demanded it be pulled--it was an absolutely inaccurate translation! The book was pulled and the publisher even apologized! A critique was written by John Strugnell, which meticulously revealed in a line-by-line treatment the errors and which was longer than Allegro's book itself! [See "Notes en marge du volume V des 'Discoveries in the Judaean Desert of Jordon'" in Revue de Qumran 7 (1963): 163-76. For more on the debacle see, James VanderKam and Peter Flint, The Meaning of the Dead See Scrolls (San Francisco: HaperCollins, 2002), 381-403.]

The fact is, no scholar takes Allegro's work seriously. You will only see his name mentioned in academic journals such as the Journal for the Historical Jesus (not a particularly conservative journal!) in articles listing the most outrageous examples of poor scholarship.

Of course, you won't find scholars quoting from S's book either.

Again, read the ancient sources themselves and see what they say about Horus--he was not baptized, crucified, etc. It may sell movies and it may appeal to those who already want to dismiss Christianity, but the Jesus-Horus comparison has really no academic value whatsoever


Information of the average person on the Internet is like this. Someone hands you a piece of cheese and calls it cake. One person says it isn't cake and another insults you for it. Then that someone comes up with a well thought out plot as to why he thinks its cake and that words are meaningless. How did we come up with the word cheese instead of cake? Therefore he has all rights to call it cake. One person sees the point and spreads the idea saying how fantastic and wonderful it is. It spreads like wildfire and people are now calling cheese "cake". When in fact it is still a fucking block of cheese.

Now immediately I noticed the problem with Zeitgeist was the fact that the maker of this "documentary" has the religious knowledge of a poodle. He took many religious figures and gave them basic parables to Jesus Christ despite the fact the most of those aren't looked in depth or are just grossly inaccurate.

Take for example Jesus's Birthday. If you have common knowledge you will now that Jesus's birthday was set on December 25th to replace that of Bacchus. Jesus's birthday was not, in fact, on December 25th. Yet, he states throughout the film that his Birthday IS on December 25th. When in fact it says in the Bible that there were "shepherds in the field". This would indicate that Jesus was most likely born during the spring as well all should know that in that period Sheep did not graze in the winter.

Another example is the God Horus. Horus's story is pretty much inaccurate to hell other than the fact that he died and came to life again. You should all know that, in fact, there are many religious figures out there who have died and come back to life. Jesus wasn't the one who started the trend. Horus's story, if you ask any college professor or do...I dunno...basic Internet fact checking is not like he had said. Horus's mother was not a virgin as she had sex with a disembodied penis from Hours's father. He was never crucified. He had followers, but they were never called Disciples nor were there a specific numbers. It never really said he was born on December 25th.

Still you could look for basic rock hard parables to many religious figures, but if you look down at the stories and how detailed and different they are you learn that each one of them are unique in their own way and in others are not alike at all.

The movie rambles on about this while people soak it up like a sponge.

Сонцето,Месечината,Ветрот и Земјата.Само тие нешто ми даваат и си ја заслужиле титулата Господ.

ке може да добијам објаснуваље зошто мислиш така?

 

[The Mad Doc]

ке може да добијам објаснуваље зошто мислиш така?

Па сонцето ни дава физичка енергија(светлина и топлина),месечината ни дава психичка енергија(магнетно поле окулу земјата),без воздух(ветрот настанува од кружење на воздухот па затоа мене ми се исти да не се буни некој) не можеме да дишеме,а без земја се знае.Не зависам од ниеден друг туку само од нив и затоа они ми се Господ.

 

[Io Sono Interista]

Сега конечно кога некој пиша на темата, да се надоврзам:

Клипот погоре е навистина најблаго речено неверодостоен. Вториот и третиот дел од клипот околу Религијата во Zeitgеist (мислам на youtube клиповите, иначе е една целина) ја погодуваат темата и даваат многу за размислување.

За првиот дел, навистина нема доволно факти, барем не на Интернет, да ја поткрепат приказната за сличностите на Хорус и Исус. Незнам како е со останатите, веројатно сите тие се по нешто слични, но не комплетно. Филмот во целина го ценам, но овој дел е многу спорен.

 

[kaskus3]

За мене лично бог сум јас.

Зошто?

Затоа што јас сум тој кој што одлучува за моите постапки, уште од најмали нозе кога човекот почнува да цица, ако сака ќе почне да плаче и мајката ќе го надои. Подоцна, ако плаче нешто не чини, ако падне не газело како што треба....
Се свое со себе си носам, ако се грижам за себеси ќе бидам здрав прав, ако не се грижам ќе ми тече носот како сега.
Нема господ, буда, алах, овој или оној. Само ЈАС. Не зборам за сите и несакам сега коментари Точкест ти си бил бог, ау...муабет за на бања. ЈАС сум БОГ за МЕНЕ лично, не за тебе или тебе...

Za toa se veli deka si napraven po bozji lik, ne zaradi fizickiot lik, tuku po duhovniot.

Pozdrav

 

[Точкест]

Za toa se veli deka si napraven po bozji lik, ne zaradi fizickiot lik, tuku po duhovniot.

Pozdrav

Па и тој дух кој што го имам јас си го создавам, негувам и возвишувам :wink: Значи сепак е мое дело, не на некојси фиктивен лик

 

[kaskus3]

Па и тој дух кој што го имам јас си го создавам, негувам и возвишувам :wink: Значи сепак е мое дело, не на некојси фиктивен лик

Da, toa se vika slobodna volja, a toa sto go napisav pogore se odnesuvase na tvoeto pogorno napisano deka si bog na sebe pa zatoa analogijata so biblijata.

 

[Let 3]

Витез на чесниот ред на чуварите на влакното од песот кој за малку ќе го каснел свети Петар.

 

[Аеродром]

Бог,т.е њот не е лош пример.

 

[JellyBean]

Има само еден и единствен Бог.

 

[проф.]

Во Бог седржателот и се - создателот

 

[spiros]

Нема друг бог освен БОГА
Во Исус се отелотвори Неговата Совршена Волја, Чудесна Мудрост, Вечно Слово
Тоа е Негово надприродно Семе, Негова Рака, Негова Нога
Преку Него БОГ сè создал и ќе преку Него БОГ, ќе направи сè ново!

 

[exlexmk]

Нема друг бог освен БОГА
Во Исус се отелотвори Неговата Совршена Волја, Чудесна Мудрост, Вечно Слово
Тоа е Негово надприродно Семе, Негова Рака, Негова Нога
Преку Него БОГ сè создал и ќе преку Него БОГ, ќе направи сè ново!

Абе алал да му е
:pos2:

 

[spiros]

Абе алал да му е
...

Така е exlexmk. Алал да Му е за сё што создал и ќе создаде, а пред сё алал да Му е за Она преку што сё создава и во Исус за сите Го даде и Го дава. Милоста!

 

[DartWader]

Јас сум си бог самиот на себе