Nema sto da se odrekuva.
citaj za narodot Maki na Peloponez,i tie se potvrda za ova.
Kako doslo do Albanizacija?
Pa turskite izmekari,arnautite imale odvrzani race da pravat sto sakaat.
Za zal,nemame podatoci sto se slucuvalo za vreme na turskoto ropstvo vo gejlada,i kolkav e brojot na islamiziranite i albaniziranite.
Verojatno si cital,site,
bukvalno site luge koi ja posetile
ranata gejlada,
zboruvaat za turci,a kazuvaat za romei.
Lugeto bile podlozeni na strasen teror vo tie vreminja (turski).
Popovski kaj nas otvori tema,no nie kako po obicaj-spieme.
Za kakva nacionalna svest ke zboruvame,ako na primer,arnautite kidnapirale nekoj Jovan,dobile otkup,i go vratile Jovan doma-na parcinja isecen,vo vreka?
Ili ako na nekoja devojka i stavile vareno jajce vrelo,vo vaginata?
Ili ako nekoj Kaljus i Riza (taka zapisani i prijaveni) uzivale da DELKAAT COVECKO-KAURSKO MESO ,VRTENO NA ZAR?
Objasni mi,ke ostanes li ti toa sto si,ili ke mu se molis na Alah toa da ne te stigne?
Imame mnogu da si otkrivame,i da gi otkrieme koi se albanizatorite....
Zarem gejlada bez nikakvi pripremi (falsifikatorski) se spremala da se siri na sever?
Kade isceznaa i Epircite?
Bas kaj niv,denes se Camite.
Taka li lesno isceznuvaat narodi?
vo 18 vek gi ima,vo 19 magla.....
p.s...
malku off topic,no povrzano so jazikot....
neznam dali znaes,gejcite imaat peticija protiv nas..vo SAD...
ja ima
ovde...
toa l.noto sto pisuvalo,ne mi odgovori na prasanjeto-odgovor:
What was the language of instruction when Aristotle taught Alexander? MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE.
What language was carried by Alexander with him on his expedition to the East? MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE.
Why do we have ancient inscriptions in Greek in settlements established by Alexander as far away as Afghanistan, and none in Slavic? MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE.
Why did Greek become the lingua franca in Alexander’s empire if he was actually a “Macedonian”?
Why was the New Testament written in Greek rather than Slavic?
Agapw, (agapavw)= GATANJE,PEENJE..."Slavic"
Agoreuvw=GOVOREV,GOVOR,GOVORI.."Slavic"
Adw=ODA (na radosta).."Slavic"
WHO ARE "SAILORS"? "GREEKS"? THEY HAVE SLAVIC PLOIO=PLOVILO.
Go prostudiral li nekoj i jazikot na tie luge Arvaniti,pa da vidime za sto stanuva zbor?
p.s..
bas cudno...
posle postiranje na gejski forum,bas linkovite za
http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/engversion/history/lostvillages.html
i
http://www.oreivatein.com/page/sites/arkadia/e_arkadia.htm
koi se naogaa
ovde
GI NEMA....
go nema i izvestajot za Ezeroto Kerkeni,kade sto pred 2 GODINI,e zapisano deka zitelite zboruvaat Slavjanski a novodojdenite TURSKI,iako veke 100-na god. ziveat i ucat vo gejlada.
Кога сум рекол дека не верувам?
А знаеш дека би имале корист да дадеш и некои записи за тоа, ќе ни користат, а патем нема да оставиме простор за сомнеж.
Целта е да го разбиеме митот за “Грчката“ нација и да ја покажеме вистината за Грција.
The Σουλιώτες (Souliotes), also known as Suliots and anciently as Σελλοί (Selloi), are the inhabitants of Σούλι (Souli) in the mountains of Mourgas in Epirus in northwestern Greece. They are the villagers of the "Τετραχώρι" (Τetrahori -- four villages) who made themselves famous in the 19th century by their resistance to the Ottoman Empire.
Ptolemy (Geographica, 3, 15) calls Epirus "primordial Hellas" and Aristotle (Meteorologica, I.352a) reports that an ancient cataclysm was most severe "in ancient Hellas, in between Dodona and the Achelous river [...], the land occupied by Selloi (or Helloi) and Graeci who later came to be known as Hellenes." The Souli were addressed by the Greek poet Andreas Kalvos (1792 – 1869) as the modern descendants of the Selloi, in his ode "Eis Souli" or "To the Souli". In support of the poet's belief, a Greek historian, Constantine Pantazi proved that the area that is currently Epirus in northwestern Greece was populated by one of the first ancient Hellenic tribes, the Selloi since 800 BC. The area was called Thesprotia by the Selloi. About 1600 A.D., the Souli migrated from the plains of Thesprotia up into the mountains of Mourgas, where a confederacy of clans presented a united front to the Ottomans [1].
The Ottoman Turks attempted numerous times to conquer the territories of the Souliot Confederacy. In 1731, Hatzi Achmet, pasha of Ioannina, received orders from the Sultan to subdue the Souliots. He lost his army of 8000 men. In 1754, Mustapha Pasha lost his army to the Souliotes too. In the following years, Mustapha Kokka came in with 4000 soldiers and Bekir Pasha with 5000. Both failed to defeat the Souliotes. In 1759, Dost Bey, commander of Dhelvinou, was defeated by the Souliotes. Maxoud Aga of Margariti, the governor of Arta, suffered the same fate in 1762. In 1772, Suleiman Tsapari attacked the Souliotes with his army of 9000 men and was defeated. In 1775, an expedition of Kurt Pasha failed.
When in 1788 the notorious Ali became pasha of Ioannina, he tried for 15 years to destroy the Souliotes.
In 1792, his army of 3000 Turko-Albanians was eliminated.
GLEDAME,ALBANCI (ARNAUTI) SE TEPAAT SO
ARVANITI (SULIOTI ILI SELENI,NASELENIETO OD DODONA,EPIR,KOE SO MAKEDONCITE USTE OD VREMETO NA FILIP 2,ZBORUVALO BEZ PREVEDUVACI.GEGITE I TOSKITE DO 20 VEK SE RAZBIRAA SO PREVEDUVACI)
Although he had hostages (such as Fotos Tzavellas who was the son of Lambros Tzavellas), Suliotes under the command of Georgios Botsaris, Lambros Tzavellas, and Dimos Drakos fought very bravely. Even women under the command of Moscho (Lambros Tzavellas' wife) participated in the battle.
Eventually, 2000 Turko-Albanians and 74 Souliots were killed [2].
While the Arvanitic language was commonly called Albanian in Greece until the 20th century, the wish of Arvanites to express their ethnic identification as Greeks has led to a stance of rejecting the identification of the language with Albanian as well. Breu (1985: 424) reported that many Arvanites had only very imprecise notions about how related or unrelated their language was to Albanian. Today, many Arvanites prefer to regard Arvanitic as a separate language. As Arvanitic is almost exclusively a spoken language, Arvanites also have no practical affiliation with the Standard Albanian language used in Albania, as they do not use this form in writing or in media.
The question of linguistic closeness or distance between Arvanitic and Albanian has come to the forefront especially since the early 1990s, when a large number of immigrants from Albania began to enter Greece and came into contact with local Arvanitic communities (cf. Botsi 2003, Athanassopoulou 2005).
i za Ristevski Koljo,kogo shqipot mnogu go saka i najavuva....
Aristeides Kollias
Kollias, a
lawyer by profession,...
promotes the Pelasgian theory that identifies the Pelasgians with the Arvanites.
His rejection of the Indo-European theory and his theory that Arvanitika is very close (if not identical)
to the Homeric Greek have been criticized, however his work on Arvanitic culture is generally accepted.
samo vie zaedno razbivajte mitovi....
Medieval Mani (greska,ne se Maki,..od brzanje)
According to Greenhalgh and Eliopoulos, the Eurasian Avars (along with the
Slavs...mnogu perfidno,Avarite demek)) attacked and occupied most of the western Peloponnese in 590.[19] However, there is no archaeological evidence for any Slavic (or Avar) penetration of imperial Byzantine territory before the end of the 6th century. Overall, traces of Slavic culture in Greece are very rare.
traces of Slavic culture in Greece are very rare,i cudno,a na net se pojavi informacija za negejci vo gejlada,
Maniots at the Struggle for Macedonia, linkovite gi snemuva.....
