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Кај нас останата е изреката уште оддамна од времето на СФРЈ која се користи како референтна точка за најголема задолженост: Дужен е ко грчка
Грција е презадолжена
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Justice for All
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Ваму дужни, младината им беснее по улици, Турциве ги 'рчкаат.... да не испадне иднината на гејците малку понеизвесна од очекуваното
Ја викам иднината им е еден голем од овие:icon_ques
Ја викам иднината им е еден голем од овие:icon_ques
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pa toa be bacillous BRAVO zakon post
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Да знаете само како Nigel Farage ги подиве грчиштата со својот говор во ЕУ-парламентот! :tv:
Полека доаѓа нож до коска: или ЕУ ќе ја извлече Грција (и Италија) или ПОПГ ќе ја напушти евро-зоната. И едната и другата опција се крах за ЕУ.
Најџел им претскажува на ПОПГ дека ќе го напуштат еврото и дека допрва грчиштата ќе се табаат меѓу себе. Ова посебно откако владата на ПОПГ значително ќе ги намали пензиите или ќе ги укине.
Циганиве се закана за целиот банкарски ситем на ЕУ кој може да се сруши! Читајте:
Exactly one year ago, I spoke to an audience of investors at the local money show in Athens, Greece. I told them that, over the next 10 years, there is a big possibility that Greece and Italy would voluntary leave the euro. Everyone's jaw dropped!
My logic was simple. If and when we get a big rescission in Europe, these two economies would not be able to handle it. As a result, there is a big chance that they will leave the euro to be able to print drachmas and liras in order to meet their obligations… mostly to their citizens.
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Well here we are one year later and already Greece and Italy are in great financial pain (if not on the verge of an economic collapse).[/FONT]
While the euro is a great currency and offers many benefits to those economies that have it, the euro also requires fiscal responsibility and other obligations. For one thing, you can't be part of a strong currency block of nations when you are not competitive.
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]So far the EU (did anybody say Germany) has washed its hands and has sent the message that every country must clean up its own mess. Greece has responded by announcing a bank package to help its local banks. Basically Greece will issue government bonds and give them to the banks and then the banks can post them as collateral to get funding.[/FONT]
However, as much as €40 billion of Greek government debt comes up for renewal in 2009. Will Greece (and Italy) be able to refinance this debt? Chances are they will, but at what price?
Already the CDS spreads that measure the possibility of country default are about 250 for Greece, leaving even Italy far behind! Even if Greece is able to find the money it needs in 2009, what will that do to its public finances and its ability to meet its social obligations?
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]You probably all saw the riots in the streets of Athens the past month. That's nothing compared to what will happen when (not if) the government announces that retirement benefits for the Greek public sector will have to be axed at some point.[/FONT]
If Germany and the EU insist that Greece and Italy handle this market turmoil by their own, then chances are that at some point in the future, these economies will break down and (reluctantly) be forced to exit the euro in order to be able to print money and meet obligations.
Like I said, so far the EU is playing hard ball and will not help Greece (or Italy) in any way. You all know how the game of chicken is played don't you? It goes like this.
Two cars at great speed race towards each other in a head on collision. The one who gets out of the way looses. The winner is the one who had the nerve and the lack of self preservation and carried the game to the end.
Now let's say that Greece and Italy struggle on their own and this recession continues for more than we all bargained for. Chances are that Greece and Italy, at some point in the future, will voluntary leave the euro to print their own money to meet obligations.
What does that mean for European banks?
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Well European banks have at least €800 million of Italian and Greek debt on their books. If these two countries leave the euro, you can bet that their bonds will lose at least 60% of their value. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]This means you can say goodbye to the European banking system (what's left of it) and say goodbye to the euro.[/FONT]
So the question is this: Will Germany and the EU let Greece handle the financial crisis by itself, only to be forced out of the euro in several years, or will they step in and help, in order for Greece (and Italy) to overcome this very difficult period?
My bets are that they will do whatever is possible to help. When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. Greece and Italy at this point have nothing left to lose. The EU and the German hardliners however have everything to lose, if they allow the situation in Greece and Italy to get out of control.
So getting back to the game of chicken, I think a head on collision will be averted, because Germany and all the other EU hardliners will come to their senses and realize that, they have a lot more to lose by a head on collision then they would by averting one.
In either case, the EU hardliners will lose anyway, but by stepping aside and letting Greece and Italy win, they simply lose less.:salut:
Полека доаѓа нож до коска: или ЕУ ќе ја извлече Грција (и Италија) или ПОПГ ќе ја напушти евро-зоната. И едната и другата опција се крах за ЕУ.
Најџел им претскажува на ПОПГ дека ќе го напуштат еврото и дека допрва грчиштата ќе се табаат меѓу себе. Ова посебно откако владата на ПОПГ значително ќе ги намали пензиите или ќе ги укине.
Циганиве се закана за целиот банкарски ситем на ЕУ кој може да се сруши! Читајте:
Exactly one year ago, I spoke to an audience of investors at the local money show in Athens, Greece. I told them that, over the next 10 years, there is a big possibility that Greece and Italy would voluntary leave the euro. Everyone's jaw dropped!
My logic was simple. If and when we get a big rescission in Europe, these two economies would not be able to handle it. As a result, there is a big chance that they will leave the euro to be able to print drachmas and liras in order to meet their obligations… mostly to their citizens.
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Well here we are one year later and already Greece and Italy are in great financial pain (if not on the verge of an economic collapse).[/FONT]
While the euro is a great currency and offers many benefits to those economies that have it, the euro also requires fiscal responsibility and other obligations. For one thing, you can't be part of a strong currency block of nations when you are not competitive.
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]So far the EU (did anybody say Germany) has washed its hands and has sent the message that every country must clean up its own mess. Greece has responded by announcing a bank package to help its local banks. Basically Greece will issue government bonds and give them to the banks and then the banks can post them as collateral to get funding.[/FONT]
However, as much as €40 billion of Greek government debt comes up for renewal in 2009. Will Greece (and Italy) be able to refinance this debt? Chances are they will, but at what price?
Already the CDS spreads that measure the possibility of country default are about 250 for Greece, leaving even Italy far behind! Even if Greece is able to find the money it needs in 2009, what will that do to its public finances and its ability to meet its social obligations?
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]You probably all saw the riots in the streets of Athens the past month. That's nothing compared to what will happen when (not if) the government announces that retirement benefits for the Greek public sector will have to be axed at some point.[/FONT]
If Germany and the EU insist that Greece and Italy handle this market turmoil by their own, then chances are that at some point in the future, these economies will break down and (reluctantly) be forced to exit the euro in order to be able to print money and meet obligations.
Like I said, so far the EU is playing hard ball and will not help Greece (or Italy) in any way. You all know how the game of chicken is played don't you? It goes like this.
Two cars at great speed race towards each other in a head on collision. The one who gets out of the way looses. The winner is the one who had the nerve and the lack of self preservation and carried the game to the end.
Now let's say that Greece and Italy struggle on their own and this recession continues for more than we all bargained for. Chances are that Greece and Italy, at some point in the future, will voluntary leave the euro to print their own money to meet obligations.
What does that mean for European banks?
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Well European banks have at least €800 million of Italian and Greek debt on their books. If these two countries leave the euro, you can bet that their bonds will lose at least 60% of their value. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]This means you can say goodbye to the European banking system (what's left of it) and say goodbye to the euro.[/FONT]
So the question is this: Will Germany and the EU let Greece handle the financial crisis by itself, only to be forced out of the euro in several years, or will they step in and help, in order for Greece (and Italy) to overcome this very difficult period?
My bets are that they will do whatever is possible to help. When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. Greece and Italy at this point have nothing left to lose. The EU and the German hardliners however have everything to lose, if they allow the situation in Greece and Italy to get out of control.
So getting back to the game of chicken, I think a head on collision will be averted, because Germany and all the other EU hardliners will come to their senses and realize that, they have a lot more to lose by a head on collision then they would by averting one.
In either case, the EU hardliners will lose anyway, but by stepping aside and letting Greece and Italy win, they simply lose less.:salut:
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anaveno
Гостин
Idejata EU e pregolem vlog za da propadne.
Politicarite od zapad sto ne ke kazat,no EU e predvodena od profitot.
Samata struktura na EU e izgradena da kolku-tolku se zastiti od naplivot roba odstrana.
Sekoj koj gi poznava rabotite ekonomski vo gejlada,znae na primer deka vo Belomorskiot ni del,Madzirite imaat da receme lozja.
Grozjeto sto im go kupuvaat Svabite,ima(se) 5-8 pati poniska cena od cenata koja ja postignuvaa vo Frankfurt ili Hamburg (ih..hamburg grozje)....
Tie nema taka lesno da se otkazat od tie profiti.
Ako e samo do ekonomskata kriza vo gejlada,ke pomine.
Imaa i vo 70-te golema kriza,imaa i mnogu drugi drzavi,pa opstanaa...
Gejskata drzava moze da bide seriozno raznisana od ksenofobijata koja ke raste so tek na vreme kon emigrantite,koi ke gi ima se poveke i poveke,od edna strana bidejki gejskiot rabotodavec bara poevtina rabotna sila,a emigrantot podobra idnina (kako i sekade).
Gejskata drzava e vo sprega so Crkvata,i rabotata koga i da e ke pukne na emigrantite...
Gejlada (jugot i ostrovite) e seuste vazna i za NATO,i ke opstoi....im treba...
Politicarite od zapad sto ne ke kazat,no EU e predvodena od profitot.
Samata struktura na EU e izgradena da kolku-tolku se zastiti od naplivot roba odstrana.
Sekoj koj gi poznava rabotite ekonomski vo gejlada,znae na primer deka vo Belomorskiot ni del,Madzirite imaat da receme lozja.
Grozjeto sto im go kupuvaat Svabite,ima(se) 5-8 pati poniska cena od cenata koja ja postignuvaa vo Frankfurt ili Hamburg (ih..hamburg grozje)....
Tie nema taka lesno da se otkazat od tie profiti.
Ako e samo do ekonomskata kriza vo gejlada,ke pomine.
Imaa i vo 70-te golema kriza,imaa i mnogu drugi drzavi,pa opstanaa...
Gejskata drzava moze da bide seriozno raznisana od ksenofobijata koja ke raste so tek na vreme kon emigrantite,koi ke gi ima se poveke i poveke,od edna strana bidejki gejskiot rabotodavec bara poevtina rabotna sila,a emigrantot podobra idnina (kako i sekade).
Gejskata drzava e vo sprega so Crkvata,i rabotata koga i da e ke pukne na emigrantite...
Gejlada (jugot i ostrovite) e seuste vazna i za NATO,i ke opstoi....im treba...
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anaveno: sko reshat da ja spasuvaat EU, shto e normalno so ogled na investicijata, kje mora da gi vadat juzhnive paraziti. Arno ama, mnogu visoka e cenata:
Tough Credit Threatening EU Companies
16 January 2009, 16:50 CET
(BRUSSELS) - European companies could increasingly be driven into bankruptcy unless it becomes easier to get credit, the European employers association BusinessEurope warned on Friday.
"We really need to concentrate attention on this ... because at some point we might lack financing and the companies stop (and) they are bankrupt," BusinessEurope president Ernest-Antoine Seilliere told reporters.
European companies face a crunch year in 2009 as they try to refinance debt accumulated over the past years at a time when the credit markets have all but dried up due to the global financial crisis.
BusinessEurope economics director Marc Stocker said the situation "will intensify in the coming months if we don't see (normal) financing conditions being restored.
"Companies will have more difficulty in financing their investment and this is a major source of concern," he added.
Corporations are on average paying close to six percentage points more in interest on euro-denominated bonds compared to low-risk government bonds, well above the more usual one percentage point spread, Stocker said.
Seilliere said BusinessEurope was considering a number of proposals to ease financing conditions, including the possibility of calling on the European Central Bank to buy up short-term corporate bonds as the US Federal Reserve is already doing.
"Obviously we envy those countries where the central bank has decided to take commercial paper," he said.
By buying such paper the US Fed will effectively be putting more cash into circulation at a time when it has cut its main lending rate to virtually zero in an effort to ease the worst US slowdown since perhaps the 1930s.
Tough Credit Threatening EU Companies
16 January 2009, 16:50 CET
(BRUSSELS) - European companies could increasingly be driven into bankruptcy unless it becomes easier to get credit, the European employers association BusinessEurope warned on Friday.
"We really need to concentrate attention on this ... because at some point we might lack financing and the companies stop (and) they are bankrupt," BusinessEurope president Ernest-Antoine Seilliere told reporters.
European companies face a crunch year in 2009 as they try to refinance debt accumulated over the past years at a time when the credit markets have all but dried up due to the global financial crisis.
BusinessEurope economics director Marc Stocker said the situation "will intensify in the coming months if we don't see (normal) financing conditions being restored.
"Companies will have more difficulty in financing their investment and this is a major source of concern," he added.
Corporations are on average paying close to six percentage points more in interest on euro-denominated bonds compared to low-risk government bonds, well above the more usual one percentage point spread, Stocker said.
Seilliere said BusinessEurope was considering a number of proposals to ease financing conditions, including the possibility of calling on the European Central Bank to buy up short-term corporate bonds as the US Federal Reserve is already doing.
"Obviously we envy those countries where the central bank has decided to take commercial paper," he said.
By buying such paper the US Fed will effectively be putting more cash into circulation at a time when it has cut its main lending rate to virtually zero in an effort to ease the worst US slowdown since perhaps the 1930s.
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Cenata e navidum golema.
Denes,so razvojot na tehnologiite,kompaniite mnogu pobrgu si gi vrakaat vlozenite sredstva za otvaranje na biznisot.
Prostata matematika dava smetka deka mnogu biznisi X 10% profit (?) e podobro dodeka odi biznisot,otkolku zemanje kredit so 6% da se krpat dupkite koga neodi.
Ovaa firma vo bankrot,na drugiot kraj od gradot (svetot) nova firma.
Tuka vrabotenite na biro,tamu od biro.
Taka e vo EU.
Vo gejlada e golem procentot na semejni biznisi i tuka rabotata e poinakva.
Ako proizvodite od gejlada imaat niska cena (kvalitetot e veke so vtorostepeno znacenje),ke si najdat pazar i ke...opstanat....
Gejlada e silno raznisana od biznisot na emigrantite,toj verojatno dostignuva i do 40% od BDP,sto e katastrofalno za edna ekonomija.
Istoto e i vo MK,nema emigranti (?),ama crn,siv biznis,kolku sakas....
SAD mozebi ke imaat inflacija so pustanje vo optek golemi sredstva, no ako na ekonomijata ne i ide, moze da se javi i deflacija (sto e poneverojatno)....
Krizata kako od od 30-te nemoze da ima takvi posledici po vrabotenite,bidejki togas nemalo roboti (mozebi robovi?) po fabrikite i razni cuda i gavoli od masini i alati,mozno e samo nekoj budza da se frli od sprat ......
Mozebi i toa ne e mozno,denesnive prozori ne se otvaraat (?)....
Za SAD e pogubno toa sto Ford razmislil i smislil cenata na eden avtomobil da bide 1 god. plata na rabotnik.
Togas kolite gi pravele luge so cekani.
Situacijata i denes e ista,cenata e pak ednogodisna plata,a kolite gi pravat roboti.
Amerite,se generalno cuknati.
Kako moze toa?
Denes,so razvojot na tehnologiite,kompaniite mnogu pobrgu si gi vrakaat vlozenite sredstva za otvaranje na biznisot.
Prostata matematika dava smetka deka mnogu biznisi X 10% profit (?) e podobro dodeka odi biznisot,otkolku zemanje kredit so 6% da se krpat dupkite koga neodi.
Ovaa firma vo bankrot,na drugiot kraj od gradot (svetot) nova firma.
Tuka vrabotenite na biro,tamu od biro.
Taka e vo EU.
Vo gejlada e golem procentot na semejni biznisi i tuka rabotata e poinakva.
Ako proizvodite od gejlada imaat niska cena (kvalitetot e veke so vtorostepeno znacenje),ke si najdat pazar i ke...opstanat....
Gejlada e silno raznisana od biznisot na emigrantite,toj verojatno dostignuva i do 40% od BDP,sto e katastrofalno za edna ekonomija.
Istoto e i vo MK,nema emigranti (?),ama crn,siv biznis,kolku sakas....
SAD mozebi ke imaat inflacija so pustanje vo optek golemi sredstva, no ako na ekonomijata ne i ide, moze da se javi i deflacija (sto e poneverojatno)....
Krizata kako od od 30-te nemoze da ima takvi posledici po vrabotenite,bidejki togas nemalo roboti (mozebi robovi?) po fabrikite i razni cuda i gavoli od masini i alati,mozno e samo nekoj budza da se frli od sprat ......
Mozebi i toa ne e mozno,denesnive prozori ne se otvaraat (?)....
Za SAD e pogubno toa sto Ford razmislil i smislil cenata na eden avtomobil da bide 1 god. plata na rabotnik.
Togas kolite gi pravele luge so cekani.
Situacijata i denes e ista,cenata e pak ednogodisna plata,a kolite gi pravat roboti.
Amerite,se generalno cuknati.
Kako moze toa?
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тука лежи зајакот
Грција е една огромна перална на пари море
а западот не е ко нас старите перални да ги фрла во вардар, ке ги рециклираат и пак ке си ги користат
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Е сега уште и ова да го видам ко капак за гејциве. :pos2:
Остај што се банкрот - гејците наоѓаат виновници во Бугарите, кои им го празнеле пензискиот фонд (62 бугарки и 20 бугари ги олесниле гејциве за само 1 година со 3 и пол милиони евра). Па паа пааа- УБО ИМ НАПРАИЛЕ.
Наводно сега полицијата ја разоткрила добро уиграната криминална група која им давала работа на бугарки во Атина и Солун, но основен услов за вработувањето било жените да се околу пензиската возраст, т.е 53-54 годишни.
Во Гејлада бугарките биле вработувани на различни работни места - но обично како чистачки во хотели, ресторани и приватни фирмички. Им ставале лажни осигурителни таксени марки (откриена е и мрежата, која ги разпространувала) и под едногодишен престој во гејлада, ги враќале назад во БГ.
За секоја доведена во Гејлада бугарска граѓанка бирото за вработување добивале процент од 10% од платата, којашто жената ја земала.
Со 14 години работен стаж во БГ, кога бугарките навршвувале 55 години, тие подавале документи за 500 евра пензија со мотив, дека работеле во Гејлада и имаат таму постојано живеалиште.
Не оти нешто биле многу многу паметни гејциве па да ја разоткријат оваа далавера, туку случајно кога еден инспектор ја запрашал бугарката да му објасни на кој начин таа се осигурила у гејлада.
Но, ИНТЕРЕСНОТО Е што гејциве за оваа тнр, измама ги известиле претставниците на ЕУ, Европската централна банка и ММФ, кои и без тоа се во Атина, за да ја проверат финаниската состојба на Гејлада.
http://www.tovima.gr/default.asp?pid=2&ct=32&artid=367870&dt=18/11/2010
Остај што се банкрот - гејците наоѓаат виновници во Бугарите, кои им го празнеле пензискиот фонд (62 бугарки и 20 бугари ги олесниле гејциве за само 1 година со 3 и пол милиони евра). Па паа пааа- УБО ИМ НАПРАИЛЕ.
Наводно сега полицијата ја разоткрила добро уиграната криминална група која им давала работа на бугарки во Атина и Солун, но основен услов за вработувањето било жените да се околу пензиската возраст, т.е 53-54 годишни.
Во Гејлада бугарките биле вработувани на различни работни места - но обично како чистачки во хотели, ресторани и приватни фирмички. Им ставале лажни осигурителни таксени марки (откриена е и мрежата, која ги разпространувала) и под едногодишен престој во гејлада, ги враќале назад во БГ.
За секоја доведена во Гејлада бугарска граѓанка бирото за вработување добивале процент од 10% од платата, којашто жената ја земала.
Со 14 години работен стаж во БГ, кога бугарките навршвувале 55 години, тие подавале документи за 500 евра пензија со мотив, дека работеле во Гејлада и имаат таму постојано живеалиште.
Не оти нешто биле многу многу паметни гејциве па да ја разоткријат оваа далавера, туку случајно кога еден инспектор ја запрашал бугарката да му објасни на кој начин таа се осигурила у гејлада.
Но, ИНТЕРЕСНОТО Е што гејциве за оваа тнр, измама ги известиле претставниците на ЕУ, Европската централна банка и ММФ, кои и без тоа се во Атина, за да ја проверат финаниската состојба на Гејлада.
http://www.tovima.gr/default.asp?pid=2&ct=32&artid=367870&dt=18/11/2010
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gejlada prezadolzhena NO SEPAK ne se otkazhuva od 13-ta i 14-ta plata i delenje vishoci -bonusi na vrabotenite i penzionerite
Na 04.12.2010 zhestoka rasprava vo gejskiot parlament- no, gejcite nema da se gejci ako ne rabotat u svoja korist-pogotovo koga se vo prashanje parite i BITNOTO e se usoglasile okolu gorespomenatoto 500 evra za BOZHIK- 250 za Veligden ...... povekje prochitajte na http://www.lamiareport.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20122&Itemid=4
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samo ko napomena - IMAAT EPTEM JAKI SINDIKATI-
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БОЖИЌНИ, Велигденски подароци http://www.alfavita.gr/artro.php?id=16911
Na 04.12.2010 zhestoka rasprava vo gejskiot parlament- no, gejcite nema da se gejci ako ne rabotat u svoja korist-pogotovo koga se vo prashanje parite i BITNOTO e se usoglasile okolu gorespomenatoto 500 evra za BOZHIK- 250 za Veligden ...... povekje prochitajte na http://www.lamiareport.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20122&Itemid=4
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samo ko napomena - IMAAT EPTEM JAKI SINDIKATI-
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БОЖИЌНИ, Велигденски подароци http://www.alfavita.gr/artro.php?id=16911
@cool@
Η Μακεδονία δεν είναι Ελληνική
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хах, а ... како беше онаа„Товарено магаре, ништо не се сеќава.....Now, in 2010, during the Global Economic Crisis, a new hero is born: Santa's Donkey... It represents Greeks and what the Government and IMF expects from them: To be hard working, low paid, without protesting...:pos2:
Santa's donkey is located on the main square of Fira, the capital of Santorini island, Greece...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-528323
Santa's donkey is located on the main square of Fira, the capital of Santorini island, Greece...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-528323
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Are things going to change only because of the lashes from the IMF?
ко што напишав и погоре-
браво на бугарите
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/312/815/Some_Greek_Pension_Funds_go_to_Bulgarians_illegally.html
ко што напишав и погоре-
браво на бугарите
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/312/815/Some_Greek_Pension_Funds_go_to_Bulgarians_illegally.html
Милојко
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У што убаво би ми дошла 13 и 14 та плата.
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