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abe kaj odis ti tolku daleku misirkov eve po svez dokaz...

Quotes Made by the Leaders of F.Y.R.O.M. that Contradict their Efforts
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
Quote from FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov.
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.)
"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century."

Quote from FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov.
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)

(after these comments, there was a terrorist attack on the ex-president of the F.Y.R.O.M. Kiro Gligorov. It nearly cost him his life)



22 January 1999: FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. At the end of her speech answering questions Mrs. Acevshka said:

"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great." "Greece is FYROM'S second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nimitz."

In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated:

"we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."


24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted,

"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian."

He also commented
"there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

OUU thnx brother, ovoj e odlicen dokaz, ova da se stavi nasekade , da se gleda sto veli ovoj golem nivni pocituvan politicar i intelektualec, a da da i pretsedatel im bese , a od koga vaka pocnaa da se mislat stari makedonci ??
 
OUU thnx brother, ovoj e odlicen dokaz, ova da se stavi nasekade , da se gleda sto veli ovoj golem nivni pocituvan politicar i intelektualec, a da da i pretsedatel im bese , a od koga vaka pocnaa da se mislat stari makedonci ??

Dr. Kaplan Resuli:

On the territory of today's Albania, as has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some,
first settled the Slavs. In 548 A.D., they enter also in Durrachium. The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X century. In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names.

When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today¹s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with Serbian and Macedonian toponyms. Just as an example, I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Kor?a (Korcha), (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad, Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others.
 
Lets mention, as well, at this opportune time only Georgi Kastriot Skenderbeg, of an undeniable Slavic ancestry, Naim Frasheri (a Vlach, an Albanian national poet) or Fan Noli (a Greek, whose real name is Theophanous Mavromatis), Petar Bogdan, a Serb, or Ismail Kemali, a Turk who was proclaiming the Albanian independence in 1912

Kaplan Resuli
famous Albanian dissident and historian

http://alb-net.com
 
The great Illyrologist Hans Krahe himself was no supporter of the Illyrian theory about the origin of Albanians. In his late years he came to understand that most of his paleolinguistic theories were generally wrong. Krahe started by finding Illyrian traces everywhere in Europe, but then it was made clear that all he had found were Indo-European traces -- and nobody had any doubt that Indo-European tribes had been in Europe for a long many years.

Onomastics is of no great help in settling linguistic and ethnogenetic issues.
Let's have a look at some important place names in Albanian territories, like Dajti, Shkodra, Durresi, Vlora, Burreli, Drini, Shkumbini, Tirana, etc. Are they Albanian? We can't say that, for there are no Albanian words that would explain them (as we explain, for example, Kruja with "krue" - fountain).

This might well be true, but seems pathetic in front of the fact that we can't explain through Albanian words the place names we currently use, let alone the Illyrian ones. So what?

Let's move up in time, and reach the Middle Ages. In the Middle Ages the Albanians were somewhere there, though their first mention is in the 11th century (or 12th, I'm not sure). Where were they living? Where are the places they have named after their common words (technically called appellatives)? The south is full -- literally full -- of Slavic place names, especially the areas of Vlora, Tepelena, Skrapar, Mallakaster, Gramsh, Cermenike, Moker, Korce, Erseke.

My personal opinion is that the issue of Albanians descending or not from Illyrians doesn't deserve the interest it has traditionally aroused. There is absolutely NO Illyrian cultural legacy among Albanians today. In a certain sense, Illyrians (with their less fortunate fellows, the Pelasgians) are a pure creation of Albanian romanticism.

Ardian Vebiu
famous Albanian historian

Taken from Dr. Ardian Vebiu's personal Website
 
pa ova e sramota samo da se pisuva, za najgolemite albaci vika deka bile od drugi nacii, pa ne gi znaes ti voopsto nivnite dela , ali copy, paste covek si , i si se zapnal za eden covek i po 10 pati gi pastiras istite raboti , eden od najgolemi albanski patrioti , da go nareces Grk onoj koj sto ja oformil albanskata pravoslavna crkva , navistina sramota

Born in Thrace, as a young man Noli wandered throughout the Mediterranean Basin, living in Athens, Greece, and Alexandria, Egypt and supporting himself as an actor and translator. He knew 13 foreign languages. Through his contacts with the Albanian expatriate movement, he became an ardent supporter of the country's nationalist movement, and moved to Boston in 1906 in order to mobilize the Albanian emigrant community. At that time, Albanian Christians were part of the Greek Orthodox Church, which was vehemently opposed to the nationalist cause. When a Greek Orthodox priest refused to perform the burial rites for a member of the Albanian community because of his nationalist activity, Noli and a group of nationalists in New England created the independent Albanian Orthodox Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_Noli
 
Ako bil turcin , zosto bi rabotel na standardizacija na albanskiot alfabet

He was born in Vlora to a noble family. Having finished the primary education in his hometown, and the gymnasium "Zosimea" in Janina, in 1859 he moved to Istanbul where he participated in the efforts for the standardization of the Albanian alphabet and the establishment of an Albanian cultural association

He was a principal figure in the Declaration of Independence and the formation of an independent government of Albania in November 28, 1912

covekot sto ja proglasi nezavisnosta na Albanija i se otcepi od Turcite, leeleee ej sto ne slusnav ovde
 
јас не користам Википедија..тоа е за ментални..
туку Кавказки извори..
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Albanci Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria

не преведувај..се разбира..
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Frasheri
ehehe site dela mu se na albanski, a zamislete nekoj VLAS musliman, Naim Frasheri bil musliman
замислуваме...
In reality, Serbs and Albanians are brothers. The Albanian tribe Berishe are related to all Serbs who venerate saint Nicholas, while all Albanians from the Gashi tribe are related to Serbs who venerate Saint John. These tribes were mixed Serbo-albanian before the comming of the Turks. Also, the great Albanian heroe, Skenderbeg was from the serbo-albanian Kastrioti clan and his mother was Serbian! Also many Serb nobles ruled Albanian tribes. For example, the Serb noble tomas Preljubovic ruled southern Albania in Skenderbeg"s own time. Also, the Albanian tribe Midriti wanted Karadjordje to rule over them. They participated in the Serbian revolt of 1803 and were in Karadjordje's personal guard. They are realted to all Serbs who venerate Saint Clement. After the Turks took northern Montenegro, a son of the Ivan-beg Crnojevic, the prince of the Serbian kingdom of Zeta, converted to Islam and was given Northern Albania to govern. He settled in the Albanian village of Bushati from which sprang the "Albanian" Bushati clan sprung. In Montenegro, the tribe Drekalovici is to this day mixed Serbo-albanian and the tribe Serbian tribe Piperi are blood relatives of the Albanian tribe, Hoti.

замислете...
 
Znaci seuste pisuvas nesto sto nikako ne go kazuvas izvorot za toa sto go pisuvas, od kaj da znam jas deka ne go pisuvas toa ti so tvojot ... um
Za tie kavkazcite sto vikas, ako nie sme nivna krv , togas oni bi trebalo da obelodenat deka od nivniot narod vo nekoe vreme se preselile vo balkanot, i deka bile tolku jaki, sto uspeale celosno da gi unistat site iliri , i se stacionirale vo naj strateskite pozicii na balkanot izlez na jadransko i jonsko more, i zazemale del od centralniot balkan, navistina bi trebale mnogu jaki da bidat za da vlezat vo balkanot, posto ti spomna deka albancite za prv pat se spomnuvaat vo 11 vek, a vo toa vreme nemalo turci za da gi donesat,
Abe sve e jasno tuka, se fakas samiot sebesi vo stapica,
Nikade vo istorijata ne se spomnuva za nekoe doagjanje na Kavkazci na balkanot, a bogami za golem broj kavkazci ,i mnogu slina vojska, uff komu mu objasnuvam i jas, isperen mu e mozokot od srpskata akademija, i se zamisluva za istoricar
 
прво треба да се созре , а потоа да се собере

и кога беа свесни БОГ
се материјализира
 
Za tie kavkazcite sto vikas, ako nie sme nivna krv , togas oni bi trebalo da obelodenat deka od nivniot narod vo nekoe vreme se preselile vo balkanot, i deka bile tolku jaki, sto uspeale celosno da gi unistat site iliri , i se stacionirale vo naj strateskite pozicii na balkanot izlez na jadransko i jonsko more, i zazemale del od centralniot balkan, navistina bi trebale mnogu jaki da bidat za da vlezat vo balkanot, posto ti spomna deka albancite za prv pat se spomnuvaat vo 11 vek, a vo toa vreme nemalo turci za da gi donesat,
Abe sve e jasno tuka, se fakas samiot sebesi vo stapica,
Nikade vo istorijata ne se spomnuva za nekoe doagjanje na Kavkazci na balkanot, a bogami za golem broj kavkazci ,i mnogu slina vojska,
КАВКАЗ Е ИЗВОРОТ НА АЛБАНЦИТЕ
 


sto ti e ova, zaebancija ?
Dokazi mi deka vo nekoe vreme, si dosle nekoi kavkazci vo balkanot, si napravile nekoja golema bitka, pa gi ubile ili gi isterale Ilirite , i se namestile na odlicna polozba vo balkanot, znaci za da dojdat od kavkaz do ovde, morale i turcite da gi pobedile, pa bugarite , makedoncite, i ilirite na kraj .... nikade ne mi e poznato ovaa vo istorijata, ti kako istoricar moze da mi objasnis , kako dosle, so helikopteri , ili preku nekoj bog na neboto ? ajde sega baraj vo srpskata akademija
 

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