Санкции за Иран

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moite prognozi se deka voena akcija ke ima posle pretsedatelskite izbori vo SAD, a dotogas ke go gledame istoto sto i denes se slucuva. inaku ako gi pogledneme odblisku rabotite ke se zabelezi deka oni se vo vojna.

Sega za sega, ekonomski sankcii i spec. vojna, so ponekoj upad na komandosi.

When you can't deal with the devil
By Spengler

A year later than I expected, the drumroll has begun towards a Western attack on Iran's nuclear capability. Despite the best efforts of Western diplomacy, the "moderate" option in Iranian politics expired last week with President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's triumphal consolidation of power.

A combination of economic distress and external threats, Western capitals hoped, would strengthen the position of the loser in Iran's 2006 presidential elections, Hashemi Rafsanjani, and external pressure would undo the decision of the Iranian electorate. At best that would have been a deal with the devil; unfortunately, the devil was not returning phone calls last week.

It never was to be. Iran has only two options: a sickening slide into economic decay and internal weakness as its oil-exporting capacity attenuates, or a regional adventure against the Sunni oligarchs of the Gulf oil-producing states. For the Iranian street, Ahmadinejad's constituency in the slums of Tehran and the Persian hinterland, this is the Shi'ite moment, the once-in-a-millennium opportunity to undo centuries of perceived oppression.

European diplomats woefully concede that Rafsanjani, who maintained close ties to Germany in particular, no longer offers a viable alternative. Arab commentators are watching with alarm developments in Iran, beginning with the dismissal of Iran's nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani.

Elias Harfouche wrote in the Lebanese daily Dal al-Hayat on October 28, "The unease that accompanied the replacement of Ali Larijani with Saeed Jalili as the head of the negotiating nuclear team was exceptional. Its importance was further reinforced by the comment made by Ali Akbar Wilayati, the former foreign minister and counselor to the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, and the statement of Mohamed Hashemi, the brother of Hashemi Rafsanjani on 'narrowing the decision-making circle' in the executive authority as a result of Ahmadinejad's decisions."

As usual, the American media are slow to grasp how profoundly the landscape has shifted during the past week. Writing in the October 27 Washington Post, for example, David Ignatius argued, quite incorrectly, that Ahmadinejad "faces growing resistance, starting with former president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. Sources tell me that Rafsanjani's allies have been advising officials in Europe and the Middle East that Ahmadinejad is weak and vulnerable." I do not know what Rafsanjani's allies have been saying of late, but I am certain that their credibility is exhausted.

Ignatius worries that if the United States or Israel were to strike Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran would retaliate through such proxies as Hezbollah and various terrorist operations under its control.



These fears are well-founded. In February 2006, I argued that a few sorties by American aircraft could put the Iranian problem to rest, but that the window for a clean military operation would not last long.
The longer Washington dallies, the more resources Tehran can put in place, including:​

Upgrading Hezbollah's offensive-weapon capabilities in Lebanon.​
Integrating Hamas into its sphere of influence and military operations.​
Putting in place terrorist capability against the West.​
Preparing its Shi'ite auxiliaries in Iraq for insurrection.[1]​
One might add to this complications on the Turkish-Iraqi border, as Iran and its ally Syria have taken the Turkish side against Kurdish rebels, which Iran claims have the covert assistance of the United States.

In early 2006, I predicted "war with Iran on the worst terms", and that is what the West is likely to get. I warned at the time, "if Washington waits another year to deliver an ultimatum to Iran, the results will be civil war to the death in Iraq, the direct engagement of Israel in a regional war through Hezbollah and Hamas, and extensive terrorist action throughout the West, with extensive loss of American life. There are no good outcomes, only less terrible ones. The West will attack Iran, but only when such an attack will do the least good and the most harm."



Rafsanjani's dialogue with Berlin was the last, best hope of the anti-war faction in the West. One winces at the chagrin of the German partner in this relationship, given that Rafsanjani likes the Germans because he admires what Adolf Hitler did to the Jews of Europe. On October 5, Rafsanjani told Iranian television in a clip posted by MEMRI:
Europe resolved a great problem, the problem of the Zionist danger. The Zionists constituted a strong political party in Europe and caused a lot of disorder there. Since they had a lot of property and controlled an empire of propaganda, they made the European governments helpless. What Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe at that time was partly due to these circumstances with the Jews. They wanted to expel the Zionists from Europe because they were always a pain in the neck for governments there ... Their first goal was to save Europe from the evil of Zionism, and in this they have been relatively successful. [2]​
The leading Iranian "moderate", in short, is just as much the Islamo-Nazi as the Holocaust denier Ahmadinejad. Rather than deny the Holocaust, Rafsanjani applauds it. Reportedly, Rafsanjani believes that the threat of military confrontation of the West makes a bad gamble of Iran's nuclear development program, unlike Ahmadinejad, who is happy to take the risk.

Deals with the devil simply do not work, even in the ethically challenged world of foreign policy. The devil will act according to his nature, whatever bargain one attempts to make with him.

My proposed mantra for President George W Bush, is, "There are no good options." To be precise, there are options that are considerably worse for others than for the United States. The use of force against Iran without doubt will make the Iraqi mess completely unmanageable. It will have spillover effects in Turkey, where the electoral majority that supported the Islamists in this year's elections will rise in outrage against the United States and Israel. It may reignite the war between Israel and Hezbollah. Nor should we have any illusions about Iran's terrorist capacities. Western civilians well may pay a heavy price for the excision of Iran's nuclear program in the form of terror attacks. The price may be steep, but it's worth it.

The West has no choice but to attack Iran, because Iran believes that it has no choice but to develop nuclear weapons. Make no mistake: this attack will destabilize the entire region, past the capacity of the king's horses and king's men to reassemble it. The agenda will shift from how best to promote stability, to how best to turn instability to advantage.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ30Ak09.html


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gospodine Misirkov jas pak ostanuvam na stavot deka vojnata ke bide posle pretsedatelskite izbori vo SAD. koj e vasiot stav ke ima, ke nema a ako ima koga?
so pocit
 
malesh: ne znam. I da znae nekoj, ne bi smeel da kazhe. Toa pretpostavuvam e strogo chuvana tajna.

Samo znam deka sekoj den sme se' poblisku do vojna zaradi provokaciite na Iran. Ahmadinedzad denes javno obznani deka Iran poseduva 3000 centrifugi (koi funkcioniraat) za proizvodstvo na uranijum. Toa e dovolno za edna nuklearna boeva glava. Na Ahmadinezdad namerata mu e da udara prst vo oko. Ete denes izjavi deke kje go zgolemat proizvodstvoto na 54.000 centrifugi. No Izrael vekje se podgotvuva za vojna. Eve od londonski "Times" denes:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2827787.ece
 
Neka ripa Iran kolku saka, ima edno pravilo:
...the use of weapons of mass destructions, against a nation or country, warrants an equal or greater response by that nation, or their friends...!

Neka mu ja misli. G.W. Bush edvaj ceka da podzafrli nekoja nuklearna. A Izrael e de facto nuclear power, albeit in the region, but a power nevertheless.
 
Amerite....amerite se precenuvaat!
Pomina vremeto koga imaa generali od tipot na Paton sto resavaat kompleksni situacii so direkten udar i u nula vreme.
Ovie novive nivni....se nekoi svileni tipci sto neznaat prosta strategija da napravat na zemja i se apsolutna nula bez bombarderite sto isfrlaat `kilimi` bombi.
A irancite...irancite se poznati po persiskite kilimi!:vozbud:
Ke im postelat oni...mnogu kilimi...samo neka se zaletaat jenkite pak...drs ne daj...daj da begame u.p.m ke bide naslovot na najnoviot film na repertoarot na kinoto UN...
koj i onaka stana vise dosaden i prepoznatliv....:toe::pos2:
p.s Umorni turcin izazvao sudar....:wink:
 
A irancite...irancite se poznati po persiskite kilimi!

No poznati se i po definitivno razviena programa za proizvodstvo za hemisko i bioloshko oruzhje. Novina e deka Iran vekje testira Shahab-3 raketi za polnenje so hemisko i bioloshko oruzhje. Ova e jak poteg na Iran zaradi koj sega kje ima glavobolki i kje se shpekulira mnogu vo Amerika.

Shahab-3
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http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Iran_Chemical,_Bio_Weapon/2007/11/07/47636.html
 
Neka ripa Iran kolku saka, ima edno pravilo:
...the use of weapons of mass destructions, against a nation or country, warrants an equal or greater response by that nation, or their friends...!

Neka mu ja misli. G.W. Bush edvaj ceka da podzafrli nekoja nuklearna. A Izrael e de facto nuclear power, albeit in the region, but a power nevertheless.


Denes ON potvrdija deka Iran ima 3000 centrifugi i mozhe da proizvede atomska za godina dena. Toa ja pravi situacijata ushte pozategnata. Znachi se blizhi vremeto za odluka vo Bushovata administracija.

UN nuclear report heightens tension

Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
Friday November 16, 2007
The Guardian

Iran has installed 3,000 centrifuges for enriching uranium - enough to begin industrial-scale production of nuclear fuel and build a warhead within a year, the UN's nuclear watchdog reported last night.

The report by Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), will intensify US and European pressure for tighter sanctions and increase speculation of a potential military conflict.

The installation of 3,000 fully-functioning centrifuges at Iran's enrichment plant at Natanz is a "red line" drawn by the US across which Washington had said it would not let Iran pass. When spinning at full speed they are capable of producing sufficient weapons-grade uranium (enriched to over 90% purity) for a nuclear weapon within a year.
 
Војна со Иран е веројатно сценаријо, пред се затоа што Иран со моќно нуклеарно вооружување е најголемиот страв за САД. А САД во последно време е во се понезавидна положба.
Заглави во Ирак затоа што не сметаше на бројното ирачко шиитско население и неговата моќ за дејствување.Тоа ги зголеми иранските шанси за акција, и го натера да го прошири внатрешниот фронт во Ирак. А контролата врз Хезболак и Хамас, како и врз шиитите, само му ја зголемуваат моќтта на Иран.
Има тука и трет играч, односно Русија, која е скоро единствениот снабдувач на Иран со нуклеарна технологија. Истовремено е и членка во Советот за безбедност со право на вето, па стапува во улога на главен посредник меѓу САД и Иран.
Уште нешто кое ги носи САД во шкрипац,е фактот дека поради зголемување на цената на енергијата по нападот на Ирак, голем дел од крупниот капитал се префрли во рацете на други земји извознички на нафта како што е Иран.
Поради сево ова САД е притеснет кон ѕид, и ќе мора да превземе порадикални мерки за да го запре своето паѓање. Сега за сега, врши единствено дипломатски притисок врз Иран. Но, ако Иран не попушти(што е малку веројатно) не би ме чудело ако САД одговорат со војна. И тоа во брзо време.
 
По нетов има некои информации дека Изрел гради огромен бункер како засолниште од евентуален нуклеарен напад, бункерот неофицијално е наречен Ноевата Арка ..симболика убија а?хехе

Знае ли некој нешто повише за ова?


Американ ворлд :tv:

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Znam samo deka "barkata" e pod zgolemen pritisok od iranskite mini podmornici koi mozhat da go gagjaat Tel Aviv.

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Iran Extends Submarine Range to Hit Tel Aviv and US Mediterranean Targets

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly Updated by DEBKAfile's Exclusive Sources

November 27, 2007, 1:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

Iranian mini-submarine for Persian Gulf targets

DEBKAfile’s military sources report the Iranian Navy is in the process of deploying two submarine fleets – mini-subs in Persian Gulf waters for attacks on US shipping and Gulf oil facilities, and the long-range Kilo class sub of Russian, Chinese and home manufacture, for long-range targets in the Mediterranean, such as the US Sixth Fleet and Israel coastal towns, primarily Tel Aviv.

Iran’s defense minister Mostafa Najiar announced Tuesday, Nov. 27, that a new Iranian-built submarine would be delivered to the navy Wednesday. He offered no details of the new item. However, two days earlier, Iran’s navy chief. Adm. Habibollah Sayyari disclosed that the new submarine would operate in Persian Gulf waters in the Strait of Hormuz area. He also declared that Tehran has no intention of blocking the Strait in a flare-up with the US military.

DEBKAfile’s military sources note that Iran’s strategic thinking has undergone a change. Hitherto, the rulers of Tehran viewed the blockage of the narrow waterway to shipping that carries one-third of the world’s oil needs, as its most effective reprisal for a military attack. They have revised their thinking for two reasons: First, Iran has made great strides in expanding its influence in Gulf oil states and an assault on their sole source of revenue would win more enemies than friends.

Second, as DEBKA-Net-Weekly 326 revealed Nov. 16, Tehran has developed a new capability to deploy in the Mediterranean Kilo class submarines armed with the Russian-made “Sizzler” Klub-S (3M54) missile. This missile can be shot from underwater at a range of 300 kilometers and has a powerful 450-kilogram warhead. It is launched from the submarine’s 533mm (21 inch) torpedo tubes.

This possibility was outlined by an authoritative Iranian security figure, the spokesman-cum-commentator at Iran’s defense ministry, Gen. Reza Naghdi, on Nov. 12. He said that if Iran were attacked, its navy – and its submarine fleet in particular – could come close enough to “reach an Israeli coastal target” from the sea.

Iran’s submarine fleet consists of 6 Kilo class craft, of which only three or four are serviceable. Another 12 submarines of the same class are on order from China, but there is no information that any of them has entered service or even been delivered.

Western naval experts say that Iran will need to keep all of its three or four operational subs close at hand, in case of an American attack.

The Iranian navy has none to spare for other arenas, unless a strategic decision is taken in Tehran to send a sub or two to the Mediterranean to hit American or Israeli naval shipping or the Israeli coast, even at the expense of its Gulf resources.

The Revolutionary Guards Corps is known to have built a large fleet of mini-subs and special marine units equipped with fast boats for deployment in the Persian Gulf. They might partly free up the larger Kilo subs for this option.

It may be recalled that Iran’s first intervention in the Israel-Hizballah war in South Lebanon last year was by sea. On July 14, 2006, Iranian naval officers helped Hizballah shoot a shore-to-ship C-802 missile from a Lebanese army base, crippling the Israeli Hanit missile ship. The incident is still considered the most damaging suffered by Israel in that war.

A month later, Iran began experimenting with firing the Sizzler missiles from its Kilo-class submarines.

The Kilo class submarine’s displacement is up to 4,000 tons submerged. It is 74 meters long, has a maximum speed of up to 30 knots surfaced, diving depth of 300 meters and range of more than 12,100 km. The Kilo carries a crew of 52 sailors and, depending on the type, is armed with six to eight 533 mm torpedo tubes, 24 mines and air defense missiles. The Kilo submarines’ quiet engines enable them to appear and disappear like wraiths, winning them the name of Black Hole from the US Navy.

http://debka.com/article.php?aid=1317
 
Војна со Иран е веројатно сценаријо, пред се затоа што Иран со моќно нуклеарно вооружување е најголемиот страв за САД. А САД во последно време е во се понезавидна положба.
Заглави во Ирак затоа што не сметаше на бројното ирачко шиитско население и неговата моќ за дејствување.Тоа ги зголеми иранските шанси за акција, и го натера да го прошири внатрешниот фронт во Ирак. А контролата врз Хезболак и Хамас, како и врз шиитите, само му ја зголемуваат моќтта на Иран.
Има тука и трет играч, односно Русија, која е скоро единствениот снабдувач на Иран со нуклеарна технологија. Истовремено е и членка во Советот за безбедност со право на вето, па стапува во улога на главен посредник меѓу САД и Иран.
Уште нешто кое ги носи САД во шкрипац,е фактот дека поради зголемување на цената на енергијата по нападот на Ирак, голем дел од крупниот капитал се префрли во рацете на други земји извознички на нафта како што е Иран.
Поради сево ова САД е притеснет кон ѕид, и ќе мора да превземе порадикални мерки за да го запре своето паѓање. Сега за сега, врши единствено дипломатски притисок врз Иран. Но, ако Иран не попушти(што е малку веројатно) не би ме чудело ако САД одговорат со војна. И тоа во брзо време.

Засега нема да има воjна. Американските служби обjавиjа извештаj тнр. NIE во коj се вели дека Иран нема намера да произведе нуклеарно оружjе. Сем ако не блефираат, со ова Америка става до знаењае дека нема да нападне.

Jасно, Иран е вон себе од радост, а Израел држи до тезата дека Иран прави нуклеарка.

Американскиот амбасадор Болтон оштро го криткува извештаjот како исполитизиран:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../12/05/AR2007120502234.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
 
Абе јас мислам дека ова е сето намешталка како што беше и за Ирак демек имало нуклеарно оружје па ништо не најдоа. Но на нив ги привлекува други работи, таму има големи количества на нафта а веке дизелот е 1 евро се е пари и војната е пари .
 
Засега нема да има воjна. Американските служби обjавиjа извештаj тнр. NIE во коj се вели дека Иран нема намера да произведе нуклеарно оружjе. Сем ако не блефираат, со ова Америка става до знаењае дека нема да нападне.

Jасно, Иран е вон себе од радост, а Израел држи до тезата дека Иран прави нуклеарка.

Американскиот амбасадор Болтон оштро го криткува извештаjот како исполитизиран:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../12/05/AR2007120502234.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Точно. Дури минатата недела дознав за постоењето на тој извештај, а истото драстично ја менува ситуацијата, односно индицира дека САД пополека си трасира пат за повлекување од Иран.
 
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