Народната носија фустанела и опинци

[TpH_Bo_OkO]

Не знам. Мене ова Сотир ми го кажа.

Инаку КАПА и КАПАР е тука...

 

[anaveno]

he..he...
nie i SANSKRITOT SME VAKA "V"....
kausIda loan
kausIdya=loan,usury =usury=vrakanje kusuri
Kausida zensko ime

deka ne e slucajno kausija,imame uste eden zbor:
abam=trosam,se potrosuva

abam=loan, debt

kakvi gejci,kakvi turci,kakvi slavsi....

za inat,kaj imale slavsite pari,moneti,pa i borcovi....

ejjj...borch?

borc=bor=debt

повеќе дара него мера (poveke trosis odosto imas)
dara=dhAra=debt

RADODAJKA..OPA..toa e...AMA NE E TOA (zensko)...
od deya so prefiks rAdho+daya=giving , gift , to be given or presented or granted or shown

sorry serbs....

 

[Bratot]

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[anaveno]

Site go zemaat nasiot V(f)USTA_NELI?
pogana USTA?
a nikoj neznae sto zema.
neznaeme od kade se narekuva taka.
aj da probame uste ednas.

slavsive,site imaat usti,ama nemaat etimologija,sto e toa USTA?
ke trgnam od toa,sto e usta.

uccairghuSTa=making a loud noise
udghuSTa=sounded out....
uduSTamukha=having a red mouth (as a horse)

aha..red=crveno

uduSTa=red-hot ; red.

red po red...

uSTa=mfn. burnt
pruSTa=mfn. burnt L. (zagoren,potemen od crveno)
pluSTa=Pluska,pluskavec=mfn. burned (crven,pa rozikav?)
i sega?

Carskata Boja...OBLEKATA na Makedonskite kralevi-carevi bila PURPURNA=USTA.
Nea,V(F)USTA-ta ja zemale i Rimskite Carevi(google),pa potoa i "Bizant".....
znaci,USTA opstoila niz vekovite.

ete zatoa najnapred napomnav,Site go zemaat nasiot V(f)USTA_NELI?

zborot USTA e uste eden od serijata zborovi,koi na prv pogled lazhat.....

imame nie uste mnogu zborovi,koi se samo nasa osobenost....

Cufki,Drlki,Bemka,Trtka,ree,lina,.......Gvacka,evlad..Aber...sekna...

 

[@cool@]

Ги најдов овие две фотографии Macedonian woman- 17th century, но поупатените ако можат да ги подобјаснат(поготово околу обувките)

 

[anaveno]

napisav za v(f)USTAN E...
dale toa slucajno,ili ima serija takvi raboti?
gledame deka usta=burnt go ima poobemno,uste od ANTIKATA...

prilepcani vikaat za prestilka okolu pojasot
Utare-Утаре
1.uTar ; 2.utaram=1.body ; 2. stomach, belly, abdomen

nekoi vikaat deka okolu pojas,na oblinite, se opasuva
Skutina-Скутина
kuTi=a curvature , curve ; the body

toa ni potvrduva deka,ete,delovite od oblekata gi dobile iminjata od delot na teloto kade se nosele,boite....

jademe i Zelnik,ama toj ne e zelen,tuku od zeleniloto (zeljeto) vo nego...

zatoa i Fustanot ne moze da bide ni na shqipot,ni na gejceto,tie samo go prifatile od nas,kako sto gi prifatile i uste mnogu drugi raboti,adeti,jazikot (zborovi).....

 

[Picasso`]

Aj sea git...

 

[anaveno]

Ги најдов овие две фотографии Macedonian woman- 17th century, но поупатените ако можат да ги подобјаснат(поготово околу обувките)
...

mene mi lici deka oblekata e od Zapadno poteklo (Venecija,Avstrija...)..

 

[f91]

http://www.trypillya.kiev.ua/rekon_kost_eng.htm

 

[Кариес]

Фустан си се вика така, оти можело слободно да се луфтира после фуштењето (за разлика од бечвите каде што се си се задржува во нив).

Фустан си доаѓа од пустан = пуштен. Облеката била пуштена слободно на долу, за разлика од панталоните (бечвите) кои биле припоени за нозете.

 

[anaveno]

оти можело слободно да се луфтира после ..

aha...
zatoa se i liftovite na slikata so modata...liftirana dama...
ljumf...luftttt...lift....
samo ovoj F-91 da ni objasni kako opstoila modata od neolitskite mocursta se do Venecija i Avstrija,francija (?),bidejki takva moda se nosela togas (17-18 vek) tamu,i ja nosele Solunjankite-EVREJKI....

vo MK ziveele,da ne zaboravime i Evrei,uste od Risteta navamu....

 

[anaveno]

raznorodni shqipovi

ARNAUTI-KAVKAZKI CEDA

piggasoot KACAKOT e na ignor,pa zatoa sega,za tamu kade sto "ne rabotele" linkovite...
ne ti raboti GLAVATA....
znaete li deka KACACITE GI BRICELE GLAVITE kako i NIVNITE KAVKAZKO AZISKI I ARABSKI BRAKA?

kacchA7di=born in or coming from Kamboja (as horses) R. v , 12 , 36 &c. ;a race who , like the Yavanas (stranci) , shave the whole head....but degraded through its omission of the necessary rite (обичај,церемонија)

rekov jas,KAVKAZKI KONJUSARI

THE CIRCASSIANS, THE ALBANIANS (SHQIPTARS) AND THE BULGARIANS OF VOLGA BULGHAR

The subject of this paper is to introduce, analyse and assess the significance of three medieval ‘Yemenite’ stories, both oral and literary, which have been borrowed and adapted to explain the origin of three Muslim peoples in medieval and post-medieval Eastern Europe; the Circassians, the Albanians (Shqiptars, or Arna’uts) around the city of Elbasan, and the Muslim inhabitants of the city of Bulghar, near Kazan, on the Volga. The Yemenites, who are introduced, vary in two respects. One tribal group were said to have been the Ghassanids, who allegedly emigrated to the area of Golan, in Syria, following the destruction of the Ma’rib dam, in the Yemen. The other tribal group- the Volga Bulgarianssucceeded the pagan ‘Adites, who were mentioned in the Qur’an and who were unbelievers, and a people who were to be replaced by believing Yemenites.
The stories are essentially adapted from the Arabian tradition. Arab blood is a mark of honour and esteem. However, in at least two of the stories, the Quraysh are central to the claim, thus introducing the Prophetic household, and the Quraysh, into the proud lineage, the nasab and the hasab, of diverse indigenous non-Arab peoples of Eastern Europe.
Before presenting my examples, I should like to draw attention to a pioneering article by my Syro-Albanian friend and colleague, Dr Muhammad Mufaku al-Arna’ut, who teaches in Al al-Bayt University, al- Mafraq, Jordan. He entitled his article ‘The Arab origin of some of the Muslim peoples in Europe – history, myth, fantasy and policy, the Circassians’(al-Usul al-‘Arabiyya li-ba‘d al-Shu‘ub al-Muslima fi Urubba – al-Ta’rikh – al-Khayal – al-Siyasa, al-Sharakisa). His article was published in the academic journal al-Manarah and it was issued by his University in Jordan, vol 2, issue 1, Dhu’l-Qa‘da, 1417 AH/1997 AD, pp 65-82. Jordan has a substantial Circassian community and so this enabled Dr Mufaku to obtain first hand comment and information from his Circassian colleagues and friends. I shall draw attention to his article later in my conclusion...
were descendants of the Banu Ghassan .

The Byzantine sources indicate that the Christianized Arab tribe Banu Ghassan led by Jabal bin al-Ayhan called Arna'ut, fled from Syria during Muslim al- futuhat and received from the emperor Constantine II a fief in Macedonia.

During the reign of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid, even the serious Muslim scholars believed that the Arnauts of Albania are Arab Ghassanids from Syria or the Berbers from Afrikiyya

 

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Слободно, генетиката ќе ја ревидираме ако сакаш лајнарче татарско, и ќе праиме после муабет.

Се додека се лајнариш со дела на браќата Грим и Шркспирови сонети, на форум историја, нема нишо да праиме. Ако тоа ти причинува себезадоволување ок, мило ми е, инаку далеку си од вистината.

Шќиптарите го носат најстариот ген балкански, и тоа во најголема количина се наоѓа во Косово, популацијата на Косово е НАЈАВТОХТОНА на овие простори, фустанелата е илирски пронајдок и го носат албанците, после нив го земаат сите останати.

За Лајнар, си лајнар, и никот ти е таков, ама коа ќе отвориш една тема и ќе започнеш муабет од една страна довршиго, во спротивно не отварај оти не ти држи ни газето ни муцката лајнеста.

Уживај во задоволството вистина за себе, оти микрокосмосот е само еден голем макрокосмос, и јас сум субјективец... Ама позади мене стои цел научен свет, а позади тебе, србските историчариња, кој и тебе те негираат како народ и нација... Ебате простак...

ДОКАЗИ, ГЕНЕТСКИ, АКО НЕ НЕ ЈАДИ ЛАЈНА!

Famous Albanian Fustanella
The famous Albanian kilt (or fustanella as it is known in the Albanian language) was common dress for men in the 13th century where it was regularly worn by a tribe of the Dalmatians, one of the Illyrian progenitors of the Albanians. At that time, the kilt was called Dalmatica, however, theories exist that the kilt really had its origin during much earlier times as a long shirt called linja which, when gathered at the waist by a sash, gave the appearance of a knee- or calf-length kilt. Depending on the social status of the wearer, materials used in fabricating the fustanella (thereby defining the number of pleats) ranged fromcoarse linen or woolen cloth for villagers to luxurious silks for the more affluent. Although the kilt was once worn by men throughout Albania, today it is seen only on special occasions in southern Albania, especially in the Gjirokaster area, and in the Albanian regions of Montenegro, Kosova, Serbia, Macedonia, and Greece.

The Hungarian sociologist, Baron Nopcsa, believed that the Albanian, or Illyrian, kilt became the original pattern for the Roman military dress, and, because of its similarity to the Celtic kilt, he also theorized that the Roman legions in Britain, through the presence of its Illyrian element, probably started the fashion among the Celts (it may also be interesting to note that the Celtic word for Scotland is Alban).

Lord Byron, in Childe Harolds Pilgrimage, observed the ...Albanian kirtled to the knee, and T.S. Finlay in his Travels through Greece and Albania states, unequivocally, that It was the fame of the Albanians which induced the modern Greeks to adopt the Albanian kilt as their national costume.
See The Albanians and Their Territories, Pages 164-166, 8 Nentori Publishing House, Tirana, 1985, and Faik Konitzas Albania: Rock Garden of Southeastern Europe , Pages 81-90
From at least the 14th century, a strong cotton cloth called fustan was produced - hence the name of the garment fustan and later the diminutive fustanella. But archeological evidence points to the fustanella as being a more ancient form of clothing. Among the more important (archeological) finds are 1. a small ceramic statue from the 4th century C.E.(AD) found in Durres which depicts a man wearing a long fustanella fastened with two bands across the chest; 2. a gravestone from the 3rd to 4th century C.E.(AD) found in Smokthine, near Vlora, which shows a man dressed in a fustanella; and 3. a much more ancient figurine found in Maribor, Slovenia, which dates from the 5th century B.C.E. (BC) which also shows a fustanella worn with the two bands across the chest.


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The fustanella is typically used from those who spoke arbanian language, and not only the fustanella but the whole look was typically albanian.

Lord Byron:
The Arnauts, or Albanese, struck me forcibly by their resemblance to the Highlanders of Scotland, in dress, figure and manner of living. The kilt, though white; the spare, active form; their dialect, Celtic in sound, and their habits, all carried me back to Motven. No nation are so detested and dreaded by their neigbours as the Albanese; the Greeks hardly regard them as Chrystians, or the Turkd as moslems; and in fact they are a mixture of both, and sometimes neither. Their habits are predatory; all are armed; and the red-shawled Arnauts, the Montenegrins, Chimariots and Gedges are treacherous; the others differ somewhat in garb, and essentially in character.



Memoir of a Campaign with the Ottoman Army in Egypt, from February to July 1800:

The troops which are raised in the Morea, Epirus, Albania, and Macedonia are known under the general apellation of Arnauts. They are warlike people.They retain much of the ferocity of the Spartans, of whom they are said to be the descendants: their dress would favour that supposition, from its resemblance to the the tunic. They wear a breastplate of silver and a species of armour covers their legs; many of them walk in sandals; the fore part of the head, as far as the middle of the crown is shaved, and only a tuft of hair hangs loose on the back part of the head; a red sjull-cap of cloth comes far over their eyebrows, and gives them a fierce look. Their fire-arms are in general beautifully ornamented in silver and gold. The Arnauts have the reputation of being very courageous; they certainly carry with them a very exalted notion of their own prowess; and, as they are commanded by officers from their nation whom they respect.

(He call Albania only the territory of Alpes mountain which I think the name Albanian come from and later got used for all of us. Arbani (Arberesh was the way we called ourself) Arvanites and Arnauts are just the derivates of that name.

Albanians in Scutar for those who says that fustanella is only used from the Tosks.



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Fustanella in North Albania

This is the series of paintings done from Jean Leon Gerome of Arnauts in Egypt in the time when Mohamed Ali of Egypt (Albanian by blood) got the power there and gave freedom to Egypt from the Ottoman invasion. The Arnauts were the main forces Mohamed used to get rid of Ottomans.

And, the arvanites of Greece.
Only them used fustanella but because they were the main factor in creating the new indipendent state of Greece its now used from Greek ceremonial unit of Presidential Guard, the Evzones. They call themself Greek so the fustanella is greek too now but the only one who used it were the Arberesh, or the albanians in Grecce...

Markos Botsaris who created the first Albanian-Greek dictionary. According to Botsaris family tradition their clan descended from soldiers of Skanderbeg


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The Greek King Otto
Wearing garments that are Influenced from Albanians.
By Niko Lyrtas (oil painting)
Hangs in the Greek International bank Lobby in Athens.



Ете вака се докажува!

 

[anaveno]

a be,BanTu Gashi pigasovski,arnautskata nosija ne e fustanela,tuku nesto drugo,ti si postiral sliki od NEARNAUTI.
vie denes ste bozhem site albanci,ama ne ste ist rod.
tie sto se porano dojdeni,imaat fustaneli.
Kavkazcite,Kurdite i Arapite (SHQIPOT),ne nosi fustanela,ama za propaganda,ke gi prikazuvame arvanite za nashi.

shalvari,kako arapite i turkite...

 

[Bratot]

Читај го подвлеченото.