иди бегај таму, ненормален, замисли оправдува ракети што расфрлаат сечила и сечат луѓе на парчиња.
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иди бегај таму, ненормален, замисли оправдува ракети што расфрлаат сечила и сечат луѓе на парчиња.
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Ааа значи треба како твоите, сечилото рачно да се држи кога се сече главата на каурот… така ти било халал, така оџата ти кажа.
Машала. Кажи што толку те допре, па за првпат во дискусија наметнуваш работи кои не се вистинити?
Сум го бранел исламот
Јасно ми е дека си соработувал или соработуваш со евреи, но не ми е јасно која е поентата да лажеш дека сум го бранел исламот
.Да веруваш дека козојебачи, туку така успеале да пробијат најдобро технолошки чувана граница, дека 6ч им било потребна реакција на израелците, а претходно за 20мин се појавувал хеликоптер на локацијата каде сензорот се активирал дека има некое движење, без да има некоја позадина, ептен треба да се имаш продадено, оти знам дека си интелигентен. Поретардирано сценарио е и од ковид глупостите.
Не е проблемот што си ја продал душата, туку што глумиш православен. Спремен за нов крстоносен поход, но најверојатно позади тастатура со белгиска ајпи адреса. Ама и таму муслите ќе ги искористат за да се пролее крв.
Затоа по не знам кој пат, вратете си се во мајка Македониа, една е, а и вечна е, за разлика од ЕУ.
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Главната заебанција на ефордот што го давам е токму таа реченица што ка кажуваш „Главното е дека не бркаме историски моменти во минискулно мали детали“ и тоа што викаш „Историјата се пишува од повеќе изводи а еден од нив е дека...(твојата верзија на настанот)“. Јас како Македонец, сум и тоа како свесен дека историјата не е све тоа што официјалната историја како „наука“ го тврди. Нели свесни сме што се случува со нашата историја. Но токму од таму се водам за да ти ги предочам бајките кои се толку раширени што тоа што ни се прави нас е гола вода во споредба со теориите на заговор, смислени за самоцензура на здравата мисла.
Ќе го ставам ова во спојлер, пак кој сака нека чита.
Пак ќе почнам со приказната за прифаќањето на верата од страна на Хазарите. Хазарите се Туркски народ, Хазарскиот Каганат е една од 16те Турски империи и се втор Турски народ, после Хуните, кои ја допреле Европа. Како и сите Турци тие владееле така што го потурчувале го локалното население (Азербејџан) и малтене денешни наследници на таа империја е Азербејџан кои уствари се потурчени Персијци (Иранци). Во империјата била забранета јавна практика на еврејството, христијанството и муслиманстовото. Луѓето не биле принудувани да променат вера, но само била забранета јавно. Мнозинството нативно население било муслимани и православни, а некој мал дел имало евреи.
Визанската историографија и црковните книги, кои во дадениот период биле најрелевантен извор на информации, кажуваат дека Хазарскиот Каган во даден момент, решил да практикува еднобожна религија, Па побарал од Византија и од Арапите да им пратат учени луѓе да им ја презентираат нивната религија. Од страна на Византија биле пратени св. Кирил и Методиј кои со своите аргументи го победиле Арапскиот имам и така според овие книги, Хазарите (Само Турците и Потурците, не нативното население) ја примиле православната вера и меѓу другото дале верска слобода во својата империја. Па така муслиманите, христијаните и евреите почнале да ја практикуваат верата јавно. За овој подвиг, заедно со покрстувањето на словените и Вулгарите, св. Кирил и Методиј не само што се светци, туку ја носат титулата рамноапостоли.
Долго време, дури и после падот на Хазарската империја Турците биле православни. Православните Турци сочинувале добар дел од Византиската армија 9, 10 век. Се до појавата на Селџуците, кои почнале да го примаат исламот, најверојатно за полесна пенетрација во Арапските земји. Земи го на пример легендарниот крал на Селџуците Килиџ Арслан, тој бил роден како православен, но ја земал исламската вера. Татко му и браќата умреле како православни.
Е сега од другата страна, приказната на Лучиќ е ваква:
Во Ватикан постои некоја книга која е забранета, и се вика Хазарски речник. Толку е забранета книгата, што страниците и се премачкани со отров (Умберто Еко, али приказната не е за луѓе кои читаат книги). Не е објаснето како и што и кој ја прочитал таа книга, но Лучиќ и компанија, викаат дека во таа книга пишува дека Хазарите ја примиле Еврејската вера. Хазарскиот Каган имал некој слуга, што ги надмудрил имамот и рамноапостолите и ги прелажал да прејдат во Ислам.
Е сега го имаш тоа тврдење, наспроти официјални Византиски и црковни написи. Како и ред други докази.
Како се развива приказната ...
Визанската историографија и црковните книги, кои во дадениот период биле најрелевантен извор на информации, кажуваат дека Хазарскиот Каган во даден момент, решил да практикува еднобожна религија, Па побарал од Византија и од Арапите да им пратат учени луѓе да им ја презентираат нивната религија. Од страна на Византија биле пратени св. Кирил и Методиј кои со своите аргументи го победиле Арапскиот имам и така според овие книги, Хазарите (Само Турците и Потурците, не нативното население) ја примиле православната вера и меѓу другото дале верска слобода во својата империја. Па така муслиманите, христијаните и евреите почнале да ја практикуваат верата јавно. За овој подвиг, заедно со покрстувањето на словените и Вулгарите, св. Кирил и Методиј не само што се светци, туку ја носат титулата рамноапостоли.
Долго време, дури и после падот на Хазарската империја Турците биле православни. Православните Турци сочинувале добар дел од Византиската армија 9, 10 век. Се до појавата на Селџуците, кои почнале да го примаат исламот, најверојатно за полесна пенетрација во Арапските земји. Земи го на пример легендарниот крал на Селџуците Килиџ Арслан, тој бил роден како православен, но ја земал исламската вера. Татко му и браќата умреле како православни.
Е сега од другата страна, приказната на Лучиќ е ваква:
Во Ватикан постои некоја книга која е забранета, и се вика Хазарски речник. Толку е забранета книгата, што страниците и се премачкани со отров (Умберто Еко, али приказната не е за луѓе кои читаат книги). Не е објаснето како и што и кој ја прочитал таа книга, но Лучиќ и компанија, викаат дека во таа книга пишува дека Хазарите ја примиле Еврејската вера. Хазарскиот Каган имал некој слуга, што ги надмудрил имамот и рамноапостолите и ги прелажал да прејдат во Ислам.
Е сега го имаш тоа тврдење, наспроти официјални Византиски и црковни написи. Како и ред други докази.
Како се развива приказната ...
Приказната е измислена во втората половина на 20 век (80ти). Најверојатно е измислена од католици, пошто има има антипротестатнски примеси и е насочена директно против Советскиот Сојуз во дадениот момент. Приказната гласи дека Ленин, Сталин све се тоа Евреи Хазари и дека нивна била таа црвена револуција која донела патња на Русите. Во тоа време теоријава е највеќе раширена во источните земји и луѓе попут Лучиќ ја филуваат по свои потреби, па така Косово требаше да биде резервна татковина на Хазарите, па Албанците всушност беа Хазарите. Па истата приказна се водеше за Македонија и сега за Украина.
Е сега развојот на приказната во 21 век, не верувам дека ќе ти се свиди, ама нема да можеш да го игнорираш пошто изворот е ист.
Имено дедо му на Путин, бил единствениот пријател на Сталин и единствен на којшто му верувал. Уште повеќе, му бил близок роднина на Сталин. Сталин му го избришал Еврејското потекло. Учествувал во револуцијата уште од почетокот и после поради тоа што не бил на исто интелектуално ниво му бил личен кувар на Сталин. Сталин со него посветувал највеќе време.
Татко му на Путин се оженил за Мариа Шаломова, Еврејка, конвертит, исто така со Хазарско потекло. Путин има личен Рабин и има неверојатно голема подршка од Еврејските олигарси во Русија.
Војната во Украина, тоа е Хазарска конспирација на Зеленски и Путин, да се исчисти Украина и да се населат Хазарите таму.
Имено дедо му на Путин, бил единствениот пријател на Сталин и единствен на којшто му верувал. Уште повеќе, му бил близок роднина на Сталин. Сталин му го избришал Еврејското потекло. Учествувал во револуцијата уште од почетокот и после поради тоа што не бил на исто интелектуално ниво му бил личен кувар на Сталин. Сталин со него посветувал највеќе време.
Татко му на Путин се оженил за Мариа Шаломова, Еврејка, конвертит, исто така со Хазарско потекло. Путин има личен Рабин и има неверојатно голема подршка од Еврејските олигарси во Русија.
Војната во Украина, тоа е Хазарска конспирација на Зеленски и Путин, да се исчисти Украина и да се населат Хазарите таму.
Па сега види ти.
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The Evolving Battle Lines In The Middle East
The biggest stumbling block to analyzing what’s happening between Israel and the rest of the Middle East is dispensing with our biases and ignorance about pretty much the entire affair. I will be the first to admit to having profound ignorance about so much of the history between Israel and the Palestinians.
I really wish everyone else having opinions right now would at least admit that up front versus trying to sound like another incarnation of the Newly-Minted Subject Matter Expert of the Week thanks to having read a couple of articles in the New York Times.
And that’s the thing I believe we are fighting more than anything else at this point: the profound amount of propaganda and outright bullshit being slung around about every event of any significance.
All it does is create confusion and cognitive dissonance. That confusion is, by the way, the goal of the propaganda, from all sides.
That said, what’s abundantly clear is that this conflict has unleashed pent-up frustrations and simmering anger from all of the major players, not just the obvious ones like Hamas, the Israeli hardliners led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his echo chamber on K-Street, Capitol Hill and GCHQ.
The latter have clearly dusted off “Plan R” and pulled it from the shelf and are now executing it. This Plan R looks like the one that Dick Cheney and company ran after 9/11; shift the focus away from the ones who did the deed onto the ones you need an excuse to go to war with.
So, 19 Saudis flew planes into the World Trade Center but we went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Today “Hamas” slaughters a lot of jews and the first people threatened is Iran.
Even though there is good evidence that “Hamas” wasn’t the only one involved in this attack, have closer ties to Sunni organizations than Shia, and are financed out of Qatar and the UK.
I’m not saying Iran has no role to play here. It did, according to Theirry Meyssan at Voltairenet (linked above), it was Iran, earlier this year, that brought all of the Palestinian factions together to reconcile their differences.
But, in Neocon-speak this meeting was the equivalent of having masterminded the entire attack. Again, I’m not naïve here. Of course the simple narrative of “whatever is bad for Israel is good for Iran” holds water, but that doesn’t immediately elevate to “Iran did it!” as the South Carolinian hyenas Lindsay Graham and Nimrata Haley want you to believe.
Benefitting from something is not masterminding it or funding it.
Meyssan also explains that the operational goal of the operation was the taking of hostages to effect a prisoner swap with Israel. Is he whitewashing some of this? Probably. But no more than anyone else is whitewashing what Israel and the US are doing in response, using what happened as a casus belli to go on an extermination campaign while demanding everyone around the world to pick the right side of this conflict and for everyone else to shut the fuck up.
I have vivid memories of how I was treated being anti-war post-9/11. The same post-event propaganda operation has been in full swing for a month. Thankfully, this time this issue is more of a wedge between Western powers than the GWOT that ensued twenty years ago.
Even I, early on, fell for this simplification of reducing this to Israel v. Iran trying to tease out the broader geopolitical moves on the chessboard.
I’m not here to discuss how this situation can go sideways. It already has. My goal today is to look at some of the supposedly secondary actors in this conflict to try to get a sense of what their moves may be now that the usual suspects in D.C., Tel Aviv and London have decided to up the stakes.
For the record, none of the potential outcomes here are good for the US, save everyone walking back from the brink of all-out war. I know there are a lot of anti-US empire folks hoping for a bad end to the US, but as I’ve tried to lay out for a few years now, the winners from that scenario are the very colonialists that fomented this crisis in the first place.
Mark Wauck over at Meaning in History had a great post from last week that went into one of the angles I’m going to discuss later, the British role in toppling the Ottoman Empire after World War I and setting up Israel to secure the Suez Canal.
Because, today, Turkey re-emerges as one of the pivotal players that will determine the outcome of this conflict.
But, that said I want to start in Egypt because what I can add to the story behind the violence is, as always, about money, debt and the collateral (or lack thereof) backing it.
Egypt’s Play
I want to stress that I’m not shocked one whit that war breaks out in Israel after the confluence of events from this past summer — the failed offensive in Ukraine and the BRICS gobbling up the trade routes of the Arabian Peninsula.
Earlier this year I wrote a piece for my patrons (now public) about Egypt’s debt situation and the pressure that China and Russia were placing on the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to negotiate some sort of write-down.
The fundamental problem is that the IMF lending model is one of the major pillars of the Empire, no matter how you define it. As such, the US military exists as the leg-breaker of the loan shark cartel of Western banking interests.
That was always another bullshit narrative.
In fact, it is hard to argue that the decision-makers in London, Brussels and D.C. didn’t know what was really going to happen at the BRICS Summit and made flowcharts of potential responses for later in the year.
That flowchart had to include a response to an attack by “Hamas” they knew was in the works.
This is why it is difficult for me to shake the feeling that the attack by Hamas was intentionally allowed to bring us to this moment. I have tried my very best not to fall into the potentially false ‘false flag’ narrative.
This thing could have been a Stand Alone Complex; a thing that burbled up out of the collective unconscious of the ‘oppressed factions’ in the Middle East. It’s a rational way of looking at it. But there is no denying the potential ‘hand of fate’ pushing things to their crisis point, especially knowing that aspects of this were known to be in preparation months previously.
And that ‘hand of fate’ reveals itself by degrees with every move made. The pressure on the IMF was a sign of support for Egypt who was just about to join the BRICS alliance in August.
The IMF, of course, said no. Restructuring only. Not one dollar of write-downs. As I said earlier, this is IMF S.O.P. Moreover, agreeing to any write down of any debt, is the proverbial camel’s nose under the loan shark’s tent. So, the message stays, “We own you and you owe us.”
It’s not about the money it’s about the leverage. The money flows from the leverage.
But, Egypt is a real fork for the BRICS vs. Davos. And that fork made itself plain this week when Israel offered to forgive Egypt’s IMF debt if it took every Palestinian in as a refugee. Now, I’m not sure how Israel can make that offer on behalf of the IMF in the first place. And I’m further unsure why they thought offering to Egypt the very thing they are going to do anyway (default with Russia and China’s support) would work.
I guess they had to try.
That offer was simply the standard tactic of creating a crisis, taking something from someone else and then offering it back in exchange for what you really want. Davos and the Neocons do this all the time.
It’s pathetic.
Egypt, of course, told them to pound sand. So, they are now committed to the fight, if only metaphorically. It means that any plans to relocate all 3 million Palestinians in Gaza will not go through Egypt. It also means the probability of them defaulting on the IMF rises with civilian killed in Gaza.
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Поврзано:
www.voltairenet.org
www.voltairenet.org
meaninginhistory.substack.com
www.middleeasteye.net
www.cfr.org
The biggest stumbling block to analyzing what’s happening between Israel and the rest of the Middle East is dispensing with our biases and ignorance about pretty much the entire affair. I will be the first to admit to having profound ignorance about so much of the history between Israel and the Palestinians.
I really wish everyone else having opinions right now would at least admit that up front versus trying to sound like another incarnation of the Newly-Minted Subject Matter Expert of the Week thanks to having read a couple of articles in the New York Times.
And that’s the thing I believe we are fighting more than anything else at this point: the profound amount of propaganda and outright bullshit being slung around about every event of any significance.
All it does is create confusion and cognitive dissonance. That confusion is, by the way, the goal of the propaganda, from all sides.
That said, what’s abundantly clear is that this conflict has unleashed pent-up frustrations and simmering anger from all of the major players, not just the obvious ones like Hamas, the Israeli hardliners led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his echo chamber on K-Street, Capitol Hill and GCHQ.
The latter have clearly dusted off “Plan R” and pulled it from the shelf and are now executing it. This Plan R looks like the one that Dick Cheney and company ran after 9/11; shift the focus away from the ones who did the deed onto the ones you need an excuse to go to war with.
So, 19 Saudis flew planes into the World Trade Center but we went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Today “Hamas” slaughters a lot of jews and the first people threatened is Iran.
Even though there is good evidence that “Hamas” wasn’t the only one involved in this attack, have closer ties to Sunni organizations than Shia, and are financed out of Qatar and the UK.
I’m not saying Iran has no role to play here. It did, according to Theirry Meyssan at Voltairenet (linked above), it was Iran, earlier this year, that brought all of the Palestinian factions together to reconcile their differences.
So, let’s dispense with the fiction that Bibi and company in Tel Aviv didn’t know about this operation beforehand. It’s preparation was made public knowledge in May.
But, in Neocon-speak this meeting was the equivalent of having masterminded the entire attack. Again, I’m not naïve here. Of course the simple narrative of “whatever is bad for Israel is good for Iran” holds water, but that doesn’t immediately elevate to “Iran did it!” as the South Carolinian hyenas Lindsay Graham and Nimrata Haley want you to believe.
Benefitting from something is not masterminding it or funding it.
Meyssan also explains that the operational goal of the operation was the taking of hostages to effect a prisoner swap with Israel. Is he whitewashing some of this? Probably. But no more than anyone else is whitewashing what Israel and the US are doing in response, using what happened as a casus belli to go on an extermination campaign while demanding everyone around the world to pick the right side of this conflict and for everyone else to shut the fuck up.
I have vivid memories of how I was treated being anti-war post-9/11. The same post-event propaganda operation has been in full swing for a month. Thankfully, this time this issue is more of a wedge between Western powers than the GWOT that ensued twenty years ago.
Even I, early on, fell for this simplification of reducing this to Israel v. Iran trying to tease out the broader geopolitical moves on the chessboard.
I’m not here to discuss how this situation can go sideways. It already has. My goal today is to look at some of the supposedly secondary actors in this conflict to try to get a sense of what their moves may be now that the usual suspects in D.C., Tel Aviv and London have decided to up the stakes.
For the record, none of the potential outcomes here are good for the US, save everyone walking back from the brink of all-out war. I know there are a lot of anti-US empire folks hoping for a bad end to the US, but as I’ve tried to lay out for a few years now, the winners from that scenario are the very colonialists that fomented this crisis in the first place.
Mark Wauck over at Meaning in History had a great post from last week that went into one of the angles I’m going to discuss later, the British role in toppling the Ottoman Empire after World War I and setting up Israel to secure the Suez Canal.
Because, today, Turkey re-emerges as one of the pivotal players that will determine the outcome of this conflict.
But, that said I want to start in Egypt because what I can add to the story behind the violence is, as always, about money, debt and the collateral (or lack thereof) backing it.
Egypt’s Play
I want to stress that I’m not shocked one whit that war breaks out in Israel after the confluence of events from this past summer — the failed offensive in Ukraine and the BRICS gobbling up the trade routes of the Arabian Peninsula.
Earlier this year I wrote a piece for my patrons (now public) about Egypt’s debt situation and the pressure that China and Russia were placing on the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to negotiate some sort of write-down.
The fundamental problem is that the IMF lending model is one of the major pillars of the Empire, no matter how you define it. As such, the US military exists as the leg-breaker of the loan shark cartel of Western banking interests.
So, with that in hand, and the open knowledge of the planned attack by “Hamas” for later this year, think about the accession of Egypt and five others into the BRICS Alliance this past August, where I posited was all about controlling the flow of global trade, not the declaration of monetary independence with some gold-backed BRICS coin.
That was always another bullshit narrative.
In fact, it is hard to argue that the decision-makers in London, Brussels and D.C. didn’t know what was really going to happen at the BRICS Summit and made flowcharts of potential responses for later in the year.
That flowchart had to include a response to an attack by “Hamas” they knew was in the works.
This is why it is difficult for me to shake the feeling that the attack by Hamas was intentionally allowed to bring us to this moment. I have tried my very best not to fall into the potentially false ‘false flag’ narrative.
This thing could have been a Stand Alone Complex; a thing that burbled up out of the collective unconscious of the ‘oppressed factions’ in the Middle East. It’s a rational way of looking at it. But there is no denying the potential ‘hand of fate’ pushing things to their crisis point, especially knowing that aspects of this were known to be in preparation months previously.
And that ‘hand of fate’ reveals itself by degrees with every move made. The pressure on the IMF was a sign of support for Egypt who was just about to join the BRICS alliance in August.
The IMF, of course, said no. Restructuring only. Not one dollar of write-downs. As I said earlier, this is IMF S.O.P. Moreover, agreeing to any write down of any debt, is the proverbial camel’s nose under the loan shark’s tent. So, the message stays, “We own you and you owe us.”
It’s not about the money it’s about the leverage. The money flows from the leverage.
But, Egypt is a real fork for the BRICS vs. Davos. And that fork made itself plain this week when Israel offered to forgive Egypt’s IMF debt if it took every Palestinian in as a refugee. Now, I’m not sure how Israel can make that offer on behalf of the IMF in the first place. And I’m further unsure why they thought offering to Egypt the very thing they are going to do anyway (default with Russia and China’s support) would work.
I guess they had to try.
That offer was simply the standard tactic of creating a crisis, taking something from someone else and then offering it back in exchange for what you really want. Davos and the Neocons do this all the time.
It’s pathetic.
Egypt, of course, told them to pound sand. So, they are now committed to the fight, if only metaphorically. It means that any plans to relocate all 3 million Palestinians in Gaza will not go through Egypt. It also means the probability of them defaulting on the IMF rises with civilian killed in Gaza.
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Поврзано:
Paradigm shift in Palestine, by Thierry Meyssan
The bloody conflict in geographic Palestine comes after 75 years of equally murderous injustice. Under international law, Palestinians have the right and duty to resist Israeli occupation, just as Israelis have the right and duty to respond to the attack on them. It is everyone’s responsibility...
www.voltairenet.org
Israeli military censorship hides the truth from you , by Thierry Meyssan
This was the most important information of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, yet it had escaped us. The attack on Israel was not carried out by Hamas jihadists, but by four united armed groups. This is the first time in fifty years that the Palestinians of Gaza have united. Like it or not, the long years...
www.voltairenet.org
Big Picture Historical Background Re Palestine War
My impression is that for most Westerners the current war in Palestine—which pits the Israeli government, with its plans for the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian controlled areas, against Hamas fighters, but also targeting the civilian Palestinian population—dates back to around 1948.
meaninginhistory.substack.com
Israel reportedly proposed writing off Egypt's debts for hosting Gaza refugees
An Israeli news report claims that the Netanyahu government has offered a raft of proposals to entice Egypt to open its doors to two million displaced Palestinians, despite Cairo's rejection
www.middleeasteye.net
Turkey’s Increasing Balance Sheet Risks
Turkey is heading for a classic currency crisis. All of its reserves and then some are borrowed.
www.cfr.org
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The Evolving Battle Lines In The Middle East
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Turkey’s Big Move
The bigger issue is what’s happening with Erdogan in Turkey. Erdogan is trying to rebuild the Ottoman Empire. We’ve already established one way to view World War I was as an operation to destroy the Ottoman Empire.
I’m not arguing for its return, mind you, just laying out the perspectives.
So, Erdogan’s reactions to Netanyahu’s campaign in Gaza needs to be looked at from this frame. Moreover, he sees himself as the new Sultan, the leader of the Sunni world.
Turkey, however, is in a very difficult position being a member of NATO, which puts Erdogan in a difficult position if he wants to maintain his carefully-crafted leverage over both NATO and the BRICS thanks to Turkey’s geographic, economic, cultural, and military influence in the region.
A point made by col. Doug MacGregor is that Turkey is just one part of the Turkic world and the Turkish-speaking world. At the recent 10th Summit of Organization of Turkic States (OTS) in Astana, Kazakhstan, Erdogan’s influence was felt in their collective statement:
If Erdogan wants to lead the Sunni world then he has to take a maximalist hardline against Israel’s bombing of Gaza.
But, Turkey as a member of NATO is a signal to the OTS that Russia is still weak, because Turkey doesn’t dare really anger the US.
However, if Turkey leaves NATO because of Israel’s behavior that signal reverses. Turkey then stands with Russia in their minds and, in effect, declares Sunni Independence from the old European Colonial remnant.
So, Erdogan has a very unique and powerful opportunity ahead of him. He gets to define the Sunni world’s legacy as either butchers of Jews or arbiters of the peace. This is why he’s been trying to broker peace deals while at the same time making very aggressive territorial moves in the Eastern Mediterranean, Syria, and in the Caucuses.
Because of this, he has a delicate balancing act here. He has to commit the Sunni world to a fight against Israel and the US, the way Hassan Nasrallah did in his speech for Hezbollah representing the Shia. But, at the same time his economic position is very weak after years of attacks not only on him personally as Turkey’s president but the country’s economy as multiple attacks against the country’s financial imbalances have seen the lira hyperinflate against the US dollar from just under 1.8 ten years ago to 28 recently.
As I’ve covered before, Turkey’s Achilles’ heel has been its net foreign-currency debt position, which has been, at times, more than 34% of the country’s GDP. With the dollar in a new bull market the value of that debt keeps rising.
So, for Erdogan, the goal is to get Israel to come to the negotiating table offering Ankara as the site for which a grand peace can be brokered that puts a start date on a new Ottoman Empire.
How does he do that given that Netanyahu is unmoved by any offers from to back down on his plans to wipe out the Palestinians as he assumes full support is always coming from the US.
The way I think Erdogan can achieve this is not with tanks and infantry, frankly. He blows open the wound which lays at the heart of Turkey’s economy and is the backbone of the empire, the debt. So, similar to what I expect from Egypt, Erdogan will unilaterally cancel all Turkish US dollar- and euro-denominated debt, swapping it out for Turkish lira debt.
In essence, defaulting on the debt and paying back bondholders at pennies on the dollar.
He’ll do this by first declaring a USD/TRY exchange rate far below the current market price of ~28 to 1, say 12:1 or even 6:1, then declare force majeure and revalue the debt at that rate in lira.
This would be the nice way of doing this. He could just cancel the debt at current exchange rates and declare the debts paid because of the massive attack on Turkey’s forex reserves which drove the lira into the ground anyway.
In effect, debt jubilee for domestic Turkish corporates.
His speeches this week tell us that he’s preparing for something big. He’s done taking body blows from the US now that he’s past re-election.
If he does this, which would be his strongest move across all of the big vectors, and leaves NATO at the same time, he would force the US out of his country. The protests we saw at Incirlik last week would intensify, if not become a real threat.
I suspect/hope the US nukes stationed there previously are long gone.
The Turkish military could then become the physical guarantors of any peace process with Israel. Erdogan and Putin hold those cards. The US doesn’t because we have lost all credibility in the region with everyone, even Israel with “Biden” at the helm.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s tour of the region is proof of that. The confused foreign policy of the “Biden” administration lies at the heart of the conflict between Davos and the Neoconservatives that pushed us into not only this war but the one in Ukraine.
The World’s Choice
I don’t present these scenarios as prediction rather as discussion points. What’s obvious is that the world is reaching a critical moment where we have a stark choice in front of us: Global war stemming from uncorking the old wounds in the Middle East or accepting the limitations of the policies which led us to this moment.
What I do not want to see is a kind of Thucydides’ Trap that the US is led into blindly by a mixture of maneuvering by colonial forces in Europe, old ethnic grudges held by people placed in powerful positions (the Nuland/Kristol Axis in the US and the Shia Clerics in Iran), and good ol’ fashioned greed by those who would profit from the chaos.
But, one thing is certain in these uncertain times, every angle has to be explored when discussing these issues, not just our preferred outcome based on our own limited knowledge of both recent and older history.
Поврзано:
www.voltairenet.org
www.voltairenet.org
meaninginhistory.substack.com
www.middleeasteye.net
www.cfr.org
The Evolving Battle Lines In The Middle East
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Turkey’s Big Move
The bigger issue is what’s happening with Erdogan in Turkey. Erdogan is trying to rebuild the Ottoman Empire. We’ve already established one way to view World War I was as an operation to destroy the Ottoman Empire.
I’m not arguing for its return, mind you, just laying out the perspectives.
So, Erdogan’s reactions to Netanyahu’s campaign in Gaza needs to be looked at from this frame. Moreover, he sees himself as the new Sultan, the leader of the Sunni world.
Turkey, however, is in a very difficult position being a member of NATO, which puts Erdogan in a difficult position if he wants to maintain his carefully-crafted leverage over both NATO and the BRICS thanks to Turkey’s geographic, economic, cultural, and military influence in the region.
A point made by col. Doug MacGregor is that Turkey is just one part of the Turkic world and the Turkish-speaking world. At the recent 10th Summit of Organization of Turkic States (OTS) in Astana, Kazakhstan, Erdogan’s influence was felt in their collective statement:
Erdogan’s influence is massive in this respect. And if he makes the decision to finally and definitively break with the West, which circumstances alone would force on him if he were reluctant, then he leads the entire region with him.
If Erdogan wants to lead the Sunni world then he has to take a maximalist hardline against Israel’s bombing of Gaza.
But, Turkey as a member of NATO is a signal to the OTS that Russia is still weak, because Turkey doesn’t dare really anger the US.
However, if Turkey leaves NATO because of Israel’s behavior that signal reverses. Turkey then stands with Russia in their minds and, in effect, declares Sunni Independence from the old European Colonial remnant.
So, Erdogan has a very unique and powerful opportunity ahead of him. He gets to define the Sunni world’s legacy as either butchers of Jews or arbiters of the peace. This is why he’s been trying to broker peace deals while at the same time making very aggressive territorial moves in the Eastern Mediterranean, Syria, and in the Caucuses.
Because of this, he has a delicate balancing act here. He has to commit the Sunni world to a fight against Israel and the US, the way Hassan Nasrallah did in his speech for Hezbollah representing the Shia. But, at the same time his economic position is very weak after years of attacks not only on him personally as Turkey’s president but the country’s economy as multiple attacks against the country’s financial imbalances have seen the lira hyperinflate against the US dollar from just under 1.8 ten years ago to 28 recently.
As I’ve covered before, Turkey’s Achilles’ heel has been its net foreign-currency debt position, which has been, at times, more than 34% of the country’s GDP. With the dollar in a new bull market the value of that debt keeps rising.
So, for Erdogan, the goal is to get Israel to come to the negotiating table offering Ankara as the site for which a grand peace can be brokered that puts a start date on a new Ottoman Empire.
How does he do that given that Netanyahu is unmoved by any offers from to back down on his plans to wipe out the Palestinians as he assumes full support is always coming from the US.
The way I think Erdogan can achieve this is not with tanks and infantry, frankly. He blows open the wound which lays at the heart of Turkey’s economy and is the backbone of the empire, the debt. So, similar to what I expect from Egypt, Erdogan will unilaterally cancel all Turkish US dollar- and euro-denominated debt, swapping it out for Turkish lira debt.
In essence, defaulting on the debt and paying back bondholders at pennies on the dollar.
He’ll do this by first declaring a USD/TRY exchange rate far below the current market price of ~28 to 1, say 12:1 or even 6:1, then declare force majeure and revalue the debt at that rate in lira.
This would be the nice way of doing this. He could just cancel the debt at current exchange rates and declare the debts paid because of the massive attack on Turkey’s forex reserves which drove the lira into the ground anyway.
In effect, debt jubilee for domestic Turkish corporates.
His speeches this week tell us that he’s preparing for something big. He’s done taking body blows from the US now that he’s past re-election.
If he does this, which would be his strongest move across all of the big vectors, and leaves NATO at the same time, he would force the US out of his country. The protests we saw at Incirlik last week would intensify, if not become a real threat.
I suspect/hope the US nukes stationed there previously are long gone.
The Turkish military could then become the physical guarantors of any peace process with Israel. Erdogan and Putin hold those cards. The US doesn’t because we have lost all credibility in the region with everyone, even Israel with “Biden” at the helm.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s tour of the region is proof of that. The confused foreign policy of the “Biden” administration lies at the heart of the conflict between Davos and the Neoconservatives that pushed us into not only this war but the one in Ukraine.
The World’s Choice
I don’t present these scenarios as prediction rather as discussion points. What’s obvious is that the world is reaching a critical moment where we have a stark choice in front of us: Global war stemming from uncorking the old wounds in the Middle East or accepting the limitations of the policies which led us to this moment.
What I do not want to see is a kind of Thucydides’ Trap that the US is led into blindly by a mixture of maneuvering by colonial forces in Europe, old ethnic grudges held by people placed in powerful positions (the Nuland/Kristol Axis in the US and the Shia Clerics in Iran), and good ol’ fashioned greed by those who would profit from the chaos.
But, one thing is certain in these uncertain times, every angle has to be explored when discussing these issues, not just our preferred outcome based on our own limited knowledge of both recent and older history.
Поврзано:
Paradigm shift in Palestine, by Thierry Meyssan
The bloody conflict in geographic Palestine comes after 75 years of equally murderous injustice. Under international law, Palestinians have the right and duty to resist Israeli occupation, just as Israelis have the right and duty to respond to the attack on them. It is everyone’s responsibility...
www.voltairenet.org
Israeli military censorship hides the truth from you , by Thierry Meyssan
This was the most important information of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, yet it had escaped us. The attack on Israel was not carried out by Hamas jihadists, but by four united armed groups. This is the first time in fifty years that the Palestinians of Gaza have united. Like it or not, the long years...
www.voltairenet.org
Big Picture Historical Background Re Palestine War
My impression is that for most Westerners the current war in Palestine—which pits the Israeli government, with its plans for the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian controlled areas, against Hamas fighters, but also targeting the civilian Palestinian population—dates back to around 1948.
meaninginhistory.substack.com
Israel reportedly proposed writing off Egypt's debts for hosting Gaza refugees
An Israeli news report claims that the Netanyahu government has offered a raft of proposals to entice Egypt to open its doors to two million displaced Palestinians, despite Cairo's rejection
www.middleeasteye.net
Turkey’s Increasing Balance Sheet Risks
Turkey is heading for a classic currency crisis. All of its reserves and then some are borrowed.
www.cfr.org
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А ти се врати од Норвешка, па да солиш памет на другите ?Машала. Кажи што толку те допре, па за првпат во дискусија наметнуваш работи кои не се вистинити?
Сум го бранел исламот
Јасно ми е дека си соработувал или соработуваш со евреи, но не ми е јасно која е поентата да лажеш дека сум го бранел исламот
Да веруваш дека козојебачи, туку така успеале да пробијат најдобро технолошки чувана граница, дека 6ч им било потребна реакција на израелците, а претходно за 20мин се појавувал хеликоптер на локацијата каде сензорот се активирал дека има некое движење, без да има некоја позадина, ептен треба да се имаш продадено, оти знам дека си интелигентен. Поретардирано сценарио е и од ковид глупостите.
Не е проблемот што си ја продал душата, туку што глумиш православен. Спремен за нов крстоносен поход, но најверојатно позади тастатура со белгиска ајпи адреса. Ама и таму муслите ќе ги искористат за да се пролее крв.
Затоа по не знам кој пат, вратете си се во мајка Македониа, една е, а и вечна е, за разлика од ЕУ.
Автоматски споено мислење:
Оди Кујтим во џамија да ти кажат што да кажеш следно.
Последно уредено:
Се продаде на Биби за многу ефтино јамајка. Шапиро и Биби сега те контролираат у тандем. Утре и сунет ќе направиш само да им покажеш дека си поголем евреин од нив.
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Тоа можеш ти, ако сакаш да шпиунираш за Исис. сунетисан си од дете, нема ни да се посомневаат во тебе. Башка си Хазар, од балканските Хазари. Има како дома да те прифати Биби, само изрази желба. И нормално прашај го оџата дали може. Ете има и замена за Кујтим на Еврејски ќе бидеш Кехат.
И ти не знаеш веќе кај тераш, бев муслиман сега сум хазар и евреин. Отиде низ пченките со мозокот. Оди излуфтирај се малце.
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Не бе таман си. Балканските Хазари се албанци, муслимани. Ти не за џабе ги браниш исис.
само нормално пошто си неписмен козоебач треба да ти се црта. Реков да ги шпиунираш Евреите, а не дека си Евреин.
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Дај некоја референца за првиот (историски дел).
Инаку ниту знам кој е тој Лучиќ, ниту сум заинтересиран да знам.
Јас не сум историчар, кога се сретнав во теориите за потекло на европските Евреи се водев со лесно достапните историски записи:
The ruling elite of the Khazars was said by Judah Halevi and Abraham ibn Daud to have converted to Rabbinic Judaism in the 8th century,[18] but the scope of the conversion to Judaism within the Khazar Khanate remains uncertain.[19]
Се разбира, не претендирам на никаков статус како познавач и оставам можност дека не сум во право.
Тоа што е важно е дека Ашкенази Евреите се Европејци во секаква генетска и лингвистичка смисла. Јидиш е германски јазик, а генетиката кажува дека од Семитите се далеку скоро колку и Ескимите (се зезам, појма немам колку Ескимите се генетски далеку од Семитите - но сигурно се далеку). За генетиката подетално овде постирав, и според тоа ние на Балканот сме генетски многу поблиску до Семитите отколку Ашкеназите... И пошто ние не сме никакви Евреи/Семити тогаш Ашкеназите се уште помалку. Тие Арапите наокулу а посебно Палестинците (кои како што гледаме и не се Арапи), се миљон пати повеќе Семити од овие колонистиве од Европа што се претставуваат како „Евреи“.
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Geneticists have had access to ancient DNA whole genome sequences from Canaanites, Israelites, Judahites for some time now.
First genetic distances to modern people below. I will be providing lots of information in this thread
Интересно: The reason Christian Levantines are closest the Canaanites, Israelites, Roman-era Jews, etc is because they never relinquished their religion, and therefore never mixed with other groups after the Islamic invasion. Those Christians who converted to Islam now had opportunities to mix with other Muslims, and even slaves from sub-Saharan Africa.
This is what it looks like happened. The Bronze Age inhabitants of the region were Canaanites, Amorites, Eblaites, etc. The ancestors of the Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, etc also came from the BA Levant. A subgroup of Canaanites became Israelites (they are genetically indistinguishable from Canaanites). This subgroup remains largely similar to each other until Alexander conquers the entire Middle East. Then, Greek and Bactrian ancestry start entering the Levant.
At this time, Samaritans split off from the ancestors of Jews, Christians, and Muslims of the Levant. They are the first to split off. This is because they barely mixed with the incoming Greek/Bactrian groups. The new population Roman-era Levantines are almost indistinguishable from modern day Palestinian Christians, Lebanese Christians, etc. They stay like this till the modern period, refusing to mix with Muslim Arabs (they weren't allowed to regardless) and not usually being allowed to own slaves.
This is where Levantine Muslims (Palestinian Muslims, Lebanese Muslims, etc) split off from the Christians - some Christians convert to Islam. They are now allowed to own slaves from Africa, and mix with Arabians and Egyptians and other Muslim groups. They carry some of this foreign ancestry.
Before, during, and after Alexanders invasion you had many other Jewish groups of course, splitting off and going to Europe and North Africa, being forcibly deported to Mesopotamia, etc. They are the only ones who either 1: didnt convert to the Arabian religion 2: didnt convert to the new religion that was formed/evolved through Judaism The truth is, everyone in the Levant is overwhelmingly descended from ancient Jews, or at the very least those genetically indistinguishable from ancient Jews. Lots of Muslims like to exxagerate their relationship to Arabians, since that is where their religion is from, and their prophet was an Arabian. The truth, for better or worse, is that almost none of them carry much Arabian ancestry. Only Negev Bedouins and Yemenite Jews do.
Заклучокот е дека овие новиве „Евреи“ не се Евреи во никаква генетска/етничка смисла на зборот, туку се Европејци кои практикуваат религија Јудеизам. Голем дел ниту тоа - затоа што голем дел од модерните „Евреи“ се атеисти. Историски факт е дека основачите на ционизмот и на државата Израел биле атеисти. Воедно самиот денешен Еврејски јазик бил реконструиран потоа од пишани историски записи.
Значи имаме европски доселеници без еврејско нацинално наследство, кои во Палестина ги колонизираат (и етнички ги чистат) потомците и генетски наследници на вистинските историјски Евреи. И сето тоа во име на „воскреснување“ на библискиот Израел... Што повеќе да се каже? Би линкал извадоци од „Житието на Брајан“ од Монти Пајтон, ама повеќето ионака нема да го разберат хуморот.
