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Bi sakal da vi prilozam eden mnogu interesen i tocen tekst , za momentalniot makedonsko-grcki spor.
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Tekstot e odlicno preveden na angliski jazik i bi trebalo da ja postigne svojata cel , vo ova seuste aktuelno post-Bukurestko vreme.
Blagodaram odnapred do site patrioti!

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Modern Day Holocaust

How does one get rid of a nation without being labeled a fascist, a Hitler, a Nazi, etc…? According to the latest examples put forth by Greece and supported by some NATO members, it can be done!
Three countries were supposed to get a NATO invitation; only two of them did - Albania and Croatia. Macedonia… well, she got an ultimatum; change your country’s name, your nationality, compromise your identity, and we will give you the invitation that you have been long fighting for; "Please sign above the dotted line", because this will make it legit. That is what modern day Holocaust looks like.
Macedonia did not receive the invitation not because she did not meet all the qualifications that NATO members proposed, but because her name is Macedonia and she is a home to a large group of people who are proud to call themselves Macedonian. "We duly recognize the work and efforts of Macedonia on its road to NATO accession", were the words of NATO Secretary General Jaap De Hoop Schaeffer. However, he went on to say, because of the dispute over the country’s name the invitation will have to sit on standby until Macedonia and Greece reach an agreement on a new name.
Greece objected that Macedonia’s name implied territorial claim on the Northern Greek province of the same name. Interesting statement, and allow me to tell you why. During the late 1980’s, when it was clear that the Republic of Macedonia was going to declare its independence from Yugoslavia, Greece renamed its northern territory to "Macedonia"; prior to this, the territory was called "Northern Greece". Furthermore, that northern territory did not belong to Greece before 1913. Greece, along with Serbia, and Bulgaria, annexed Macedonia by force in 1912 and partitioned it in 1913 without the consent of the Macedonian people. This was a forceful act and Greece illegally acquired 51% of Macedonia’s territory. This was not about taking back their "own" territory; if that was the reason, Greece would have fought tooth and nail for the entire land – they would not have agreed to split the land with Serbia and Bulgaria! This was a clear example of greed and theft.
After acquiring the land, the Greek government began to punish those that spoke Macedonian and they did not allow anyone to utter the word Macedonia. If Macedonia is Greek, why did/does Greece implement assimilation policies to forcibly turn Macedonians into Greeks? Why were so many Macedonians expelled from their homes in the late 1940’s if they were supposedly Greek; If Greece felt that these were their people, Greece should have protected them, not expel them or worse yet, execute many of them. And, before 1989, why were people punished for even whispering the "word" Macedonia? This is recent history; the people who suffered this injustice are still alive and they have been fighting for their recognition ever since. There are over 2,000 lawsuits sitting at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg in regards to this genocide.
As recently as this past February, a dual citizen of the United States of America and the Republic of Macedonia was denied entry to Greece because he said he was Macedonian. In October of 2007 another Macedonian with a dual citizenship (Australia and Republic of Macedonia) was denied entry because he told border patrol he was coming into Greece so he could visit his family in Lerin. For the reason that he said Lerin and not Florina, Greek border patrol did not let him in and he was blacklisted. By using the ancient Macedonian names of the cities within the northern Greek province, one is considered a delinquent, a criminal, and he is forever blacklisted and denied entry into Greece. When Greece acquired 51% of Macedonia, they began to change the names of all the cities, villages, regions, and so on – thus, "if it ain’t Greek, we’ll make it Greek". Should remind you of that one scene in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" when the father tries to explain that the word "kimono" is Greek.
It is a disgrace that in the year 2008 A.D. the European Union is still covering up human rights abuses. What is even more humiliating is that they are entirely dismissing the Macedonians’ history and are only following Greek propaganda. People have a right to self-identity; they have a God given right to identify as their parents and ancestors did. Instead of following the examples of the United States of America which allows all of us to be who we want to be, the EU insists on ignoring human rights issues and continues to participate in wiping out a nation; change your name, compromise your identity, and we will let you be our friend! That’s modern day Holocaust. And you thought that the bullies only existed in the school yard.

Katerina Stamatova-Petrovska



Helpful Sources:
Anderson, Frank Maloy and Amos Shartle Hershey, Handbook for the Diplomatic History of Europe, Asia, and Africa 1870-1914. Prepared for the National Board for Historical Service. Government Printing Office, Washington, 1918.
Differences Between Ancient Macedonians and Ancient Greeks
by J.S. Gandeto
Ethnicity and Cultural Policy at Alexander’s Court
Makedonika 1995 (pp.149-58) by Eugene Borza
History of Macedonia
George Rawlinson M.A, Canon of Canterbury and Camden Professor of Ancient history at the University of Oxford

http://www.gate.net/~mango/Badian.htm
http://www.mhrmi.org
http://www.florina.org/
http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/bhr/english/index.html
 

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Нема проблем, само напиши ги емаил адресите, да не бараме сега по линковите
Ne te razbiram sto me prasuvas tocno.
Tesktov do sega e ispraten do site relevantni US (americki) vesnici (New York Times , Washington Post, Chicago Tribune , Newsweek, Time Magazine , Financial Time).
Znaci , bilo koj , od kaj i da e , da propagira do mediumite koi mu se najbliski i poznati.
Znam deka forumov go posetuvaat nasinci od Avstralija, Kanada , USA , dosta evropski zemji , pa taka da imame ubavi sansi da ja pretstavime vistinata do dosta golem broj na lugje sirum svetot.
Sekako , i Makedoncite od Makedonija, so svoite vrski nadvor od tatkovinata bi bile ostvarile odlicen doprinos kon celta.
 

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Odlicno!
Samo neznam koi se poreprezentativni evropski mediumi (elektronski i pisani) , pa da udrime i tamu malku.
So malku poveke srekja bi mozele da go imame tekstot izdaden vo nekoi od nivnite izdanija.
Kolku povekje ne citaat vo vakvo svetlo , tolku podobra pozitivna propaganda pravime niz svetot.
Neznam dali ste primetile , ama pod sekoja kolumna ili tekst sto bese izdaden minatata nedela niz web mediumive, za situacijata posle samitot vo Bukurest i grckoto veto , vo koe nie bevme pokazani kako zrtvi na eden iracionalen spor, imase ogromen broj na repliki od grcite.
Moze samo da zabelezime deka nivnata propagandna masinerija raboti besprekorno.Kolku i da e lazna.
Zatoa site slozno, na vakov nacin mora da ja pretstavime vistinata kakva sto e!
 
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Eve i ovoj tekst treba da se preprakja vo EU, a e napisan od poranesniot Germanski Ambasador vo Makedonija, neposredno pred NATO samitot.
Svetot mora da doznae....jas veke go prativ do Erick Meiyer, i Angelika Beer, koi se zadolzeni za Makedonija vo EU parlamentot..
Eve kontakti na EU delegacijata vo EU zadolzena za Makedonija http://www.europarl.europa.eu/activities/delegations/membersDel.do?language=EN&body=D-MK

Comedy: Greek by Name
By Hans Lothar Schteppan
February 12, 2008
Source: Forum Plus, Number 123, 01.02.2008

The satire "Greek by name" from December 12, 2007, is characterized as successfully funny and even humourous, sadly however reality is seldom a "comedy".

If for the Greeks the "name" issue REPRESENTS "Support for the State Philosophy" which is overly excessive, then for the Macedonians it represents a risk of "losing their country and ethnic existense".

Macedonians have been using this name for at least 1,500 years or since many tribes settled the Balkans and mixed with the indigenous people. Greeks on the other hand have gained Macedonian territory, specifically their northern province which for the longest time they called "Northern Greece" only 95 years ago when they took possession of 51% of Macedonia in 1913. Only in 1989 did Greece change the name of its northern province to "Macedonia" under the motto "Attack is the best defense".

It is absurd that Macedonians are even talking to the Greeks knowing that they have little chance of making progress in these unfair negotiations. Thanks to Greece's threat of veto and its irresponsible use of it as well as its position in NATO and the EU it has all the help it needs from the European Community to hold Macedonia back as long as it wants.

Greece very cunningly and abruptly rejected Macedonia's name in 1992 in Lisbon before anyone had a chance to "examine the facts". This rejection also came with misinformation and confusion leading the unaware European ministers to come to the wrong conclusion. Greece lead the European Community into believing that the name "Macedonia" was of no importance to the Republic of Macedonia because allegedly this was a name created by Tito when Yugoslavia became a state of republics in 1944. Thus Greece's strong objection to the name was laid on a foundation of lies. The EU states, without consulting historical data and without examining the facts, were quick to take Athens's side. A similar scenario was repeated in 1993 when Macedonia applied for membership into the United Nations. It seems that justice is not important these days and the sacred Greek might is always placed ahead of Macedonia's right.

If we examine past approaches to the name issue taken by our American "mediator" of the UN, we will find that the whole process is biased in Greece's favour. Actions taken during briefings in Skopje in 1994 and 1995 at best can be described as "desperate".

With the exception of naming the Skopje Airport "Alexander the Great", every gesture Macedonia made in Greece's view should be positive but from what experience has shown Greece has been relentless and has, without thinking twice, used all ammunition delivered to its hands against Macedonia.

Macedonia on the other hand has a great heritage which modern Europe considers to be the cradle of western culture. Ironicaly even though it is well known that Alexander the Great was Macedonian, no one complained when Greece named its airport "Alexander the Great" in late 1989. What justification did the Greeks have? That Alexander the Great spread "Hellenism" to the world during his expeditions? If that were true, and no one can deny that modern Europe in its entirety has profited immensely from Hellenism, then why is there not a single European nation (besides Greece) Greek today? Why is there not a single nation outside of Europe, where Alexander ventured, Greek today?

When Slav tribes were settling the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries AD the ancient Greeks had already abandoned Greece and others settled in their place. For well known reasons the Greeks left Greece at the end of the 4th century but the descendents of the ancient Macedonians remained all while Macedonia was a Roman province. Thus the descendents of the ancient Macedonians lived in Macedonia as the descendents of the ancient Thracians lived in Thrace and as the descendents of the Ancient Epirians lived in Epirus.
In time these people assimilated with the Slav tribes who in turn adopted those lands as their home and left their genetic markers in the modern populations. So today we have Slav and ancient Macedonian genetic markers in the blood of the modern Macedonians the same as we have Thracian genetic markers in the blood of the modern Bulgarians and modern Turks living in Eastern Thrace. The same can be said about the modern Greeks and Albanians who carry in their blood the genetic markers from the ancient Epirians.

Even though it is well known that the Turko-Tatar Bulgars settled the Eastern Balkans 150 years after the Slav tribes and took the Slavic language from them, does not prevent the modern Bulgarians from asserting that today's Macedonians allegedly speak "Bulgarian".

Further forward in time, during the 9th century according to George Shtatmiller author of the book "History of South-Easter Europe" the Greeks, drawn by the Slav settlements of Greece, returned to their former fatherland and assimilated the Slavs and Albanians settling that region. So how can the Greeks then claim to be related to the ancient Macedonians?

Contrary to any Greek assertions, Greeks in reality never settled Macedonian territories, not in ancient nor any other time until the 20th century. Macedonians on the other hand have conquered and have occupied Greek lands. The ancient Macedonians, through the League of Corinth, held hegemony over the Greeks for over 120 years during which time they also occupied Athens for a short period.

Thus prior to the 20th century Macedonia was never Greek, not during Roman times when both Macedonia and Greece were Roman colonies, not during the Middle Ages, not during Ottoman times and certainly not until after the 1912, 1913 Balkan Wars when Greece, for the first time, by virtue of conquest, was awarded Macedonian lands including Solun and parts of Thrace. And this Greece did not do alone but with help from its neighbours Serbia, Bulgaria and Montenegro and with the blessings of the Great Powers. Thanks to the Great Powers, Russia in particular, for their support of the four Balkan monarchies which united and declared war on the Ottomans without themselves being swallowed up by Austro-Hungary or Romania.

Let us also remind the world that the Thracians and Epirians disappeared after 1913 only as a result of brutal hellenization at the hands of the Greek state, brutal Bulgarization at the hands of the Bulgarians and Islamization due to Ottoman influence. The Macedonians occupied by Serbia to some extent survived Serbian attempts at assimilation and began to regain their Macedonian consciousness under the cover of Yugoslavia.

It is sad to say that Macedonia's annexation in 1913 happened with the blessing of International right which now reminds it of the shame it committed. It is not fear of the Macedonian hammer that Greece is afraid but of the fear of facing its own shame in public.

As protectors of the European heritage which has flourished for centuries, European Union parliamentarians should be ashamed of forcing Macedonia, a state which in the past has done so much for Europe, to accept a farcical name like "FYROM". This again proves that Europe values business and money far above justice, truth, etiquette and morality.

If this small country has learned anything, it has learned how unfair Europe can be. The 2001 Ohrid Agreement was forced upon it by Brussels bureaucrats without even examining the facts or consulting history. Europe has shown no care for the dangers under the sword of Demiclis it has created for this young state. With this kind of attitude how does Europe expect to hold a united existence?

The only option Macedonia is left with to protect its rights is to present its case to the international community.

Hans Lothar Schteppan is a former German Ambassador to the Republic of Macedonia and author of the book "Macedonian Knot"
 
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european parliament petitions - линк

"Petitioners are published in the Official Journal"

"The petition may present an individual request, a complaint or observation concerning the application of EU law or an appeal to the European Parliament to adopt a position on a specific matter. Such petitions give the European Parliament the opportunity of calling attention to any infringement of a European citizen's rights by a Member State or local authorities or other institution."
 

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Odlicni tekstovi...ima i drugi...ima i mnogu znaeni i neznaeni, dobronamerni podrzuvaci koi ne se Makedonci po rod, no zatoa se od rodot na lugeto.....ne na hienite..., problemot e drug...NASATA DRZAVA (barem do sega) SPIE......
..nema jasen i neprikosnoven stav, jasna cel, jasna doktrina za postignuvanje na taa cel....kako da se raboti za nekoj drug...vo nekoe drugo vreme....
.............pricinata za toa??? ne sakam ni da pomislam....
 
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Имам неколку сериозни забелешки на текстот. На пример, се споменува спор, а таков не постои, бидејќи нашето име не е спорно.

Потоа, се споменува дека Грција имала провинција Македонија што не е точно, во Грција има три административни области во кои се содржи зборот Македонија.


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- Зборот Холокауст во насловот обично и најчесто, речиси секогаш, се употребува за Евреите во Втората светска војна. Може да предизвикаш негативен ефект со употреба на тој збор. Јас би употребил “егтноцид’’ или “геноцид’’ или некој друг збор.

- Helpful sources не се нималку helpful. Треба да е нешто кратко и изџвакано.

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A Modern Day Ethnocide

Can one get rid of a nation without being labeled a fascist оr a Nazi? According to the latest example put forth by Greece -- and supported by some EU/NATO members, like France -- it can be done!

Last April, three countries were supposed to get a NATO membership invitation; only two of them did - Albania and Croatia. The third, Macedonia, well...Macedonia got an ultimatum: change the name, i.e., your nationality and thus your identity, and we will give you the long-coveted invitation. And please don't forget to sign, to make the unprecedented act of counceling yourself from the face of this world and from history - legitimate.

That is what modern day ethnocide looks like. Refined yet hypocritical and rotten to the core.

Macedonia did not receive a NATO invitation not because it failed to meet all the posed qualifications for membership; it did meet them. Macedonia was denied entry because there exist a people called Macedonians, complete with their own Macedonian language, culture, customs, and rich history.

"We duly recognize the work and efforts of Macedonia on its road to NATO accession", were the words of NATO Secretary General Jaap De Hoop Schaeffer. However, he went on to say, because of the alleged "dispute" over the country’s name, the invitation will have to sit on standby until Macedonia and Greece reach an agreement on a new name.

Greece allegedly objected that Macedonia’s name implies territorial claims on Northern Greek territory. Interesting statement, and allow me to tell you why. During the late 1980’s, when it was clear that the Republic of Macedonia was going to declare independence from Yugoslavia, Greece renamed its northern territory to "Macedonia"; prior to this, the territory they called "Northern Greece".

Furthermore, that northern territory did not belong to Greece before 1913 at all. Greece, along with Serbia, and Bulgaria, annexed Macedonia by force in 1912 and partitioned it in 1913 without the consent of the Macedonian people. This was a forceful act and Greece illegally acquired 51% of Macedonia’s territory. It was not about Greece liberating its "own" territory; if that was the reason, the Greeks would have fought for the entire land of Macedonia. Yet, Greece split the land with Serbia and Bulgaria! It was a clear example of teritorial aggrandizement based on greed and brute force.

After acquiring the part of Macedonian land, the Greek government began to forcefully assimilate or expell Macedonians, punishing them severely for even uttering a word in the Macedonian language, including the word "Macedonia" itself.

If Macedonia is Greek, why have Greece implemented assimilation policies to forcibly turn Macedonians into Greeks? Why were hundreds of thousands of Macedonians killed and expelled from their homes during the past century, especially in the late 1940’s, if they were supposedly Greek? If Greece felt that these were their people, Greece would have protected them.

This is recent history, some Macedonians who suffered the Greek terror and expulsions are still alive and they have been fighting for their recognition and the right to return to their property. There are over 2,000 lawsuits as of now filled at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg related to the Macedonian ethnocide.

As recent as this February, a dual citizen of the U.S. and the Republic of Macedonia was denied entry to Greece because he identified as Macedonian on the border. In October 2007, another Macedonian with dual Australian and Macedonian citizenship was denied entry because he told border patrol he was coming into Greece so he could visit his family in the town of Lerin. He was denied entry too, because Lerin has been renamed into "Florina", for which "refraction" he was blacklisted. By using the ancient Macedonian names of the cities within the northern Greek province, one is considered by Greece as a criminal, and he or she is blacklisted forever.

When Greece acquired 51% of Macedonia in 1913, in order to hellenize Macedonia it also began to change the Macedonian toponyms and hydronimes, as if under the motto "If it is not Greek, we will make it Greek." Sounds as tragicomical as the scene in movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding," when the Greek father tries to explain that the word "kimono" is Greek.

It is a disgrace that in 2008, Greece has an ally in the European Union which turns a blind eye to Greece's human rights abuses. Greece is the only country in the EU that does not recognize ethnic minorities. What is even more humiliating is that the EU is blatantly dismissing the Macedonians’ history and is following the Greek propaganda line -- contrary to all international norms. The EU "forgets" that people have a most fundamental right to self-identity, a principle on which the international order is based! It is a God-given right to identify as our parents and ancestors did.

Instead of following the example of the U.S. A., which allows all of us to be who we are (and who we want to be), the EU insists on ignoring human rights fundamentals and continues to aid Greece's preposterous deands that an entire nation wipes itself from the face of the Earth! Greece's bullying of Macedonia has gone long enough, almost 18 years. It is time to stop, proudly proclaim Macedonia's identity, and make Greece come to its senses.

Katerina Stamatova-Petrovska


Helpful Sources:
1. http://www.myvlad.com/history/archive/Macedonia_thru_the_ages.htm
2. www.historyofmacedonia.org
3. http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/bhr/english/index.html
 
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