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Веќе го имаш погоре објаснувањето на таквото тврдење во пост #4451.
https://forum.kajgana.com/threads/Конфликтот-во-Сирија.54614/page-297#post-8104282
Конфликтот во Сирија
- Креатор на темата Misirkov
- Време на започнување
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Ne te citirav tebe, so nego pravam muabet. I da ti odgovoram na tebe, zosto amerikancite bi go terorizirale naselenieto? Niv ne gi zanima naselenieto, oni si imaa dr celi vo vremeto na bush, i posle vo vremeto na obama iraq stana neinteresen teren i isis toa go iskoristi zaedno so nivnite partneri da ja sozdadat taa islamska drzava.
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Еееј навистина, зошто државата со најголем воен буџет во светот би спонзорирала тероризам ?
Да не е за да има на кого да му продава оружје и муниција или за да има кого да го заплашува со терористички напади доколку не игра на нејзината музика ?
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https://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/109641/saker-syrian-powderkeg
The Saker: The Syrian Powderkeg - "I'm Not Convinced There Is A US Strategy"
Authored by Adam Taggart via PeakProsperity.com,
Following up on our recent warning about the situation in Syria, Chris sits down this week for a conversation with The Saker, who writes extensively on geo-political and military matters. The Saker (a nom-de-plume), is a former intelligence expert with professional and personal insights into Russia and the Middle East.
He shares our deep concern for the dangerously misdirected current state of US foreign and military policy, as well as the potentially lethal repercussions these threaten to have in the powderkeg that is Syria.
In this week's podcast, The Saker provides an excellent distillation of the complex forces in play in Syria -- as well as in the brewing friction between the US and Russia -- and why the risk of nuclear war has now grown higher than it has been in decades:
I'm not convinced there is a US strategy. I think there is a CIA strategy, a Pentagon strategy, a State Department strategy. There used to be a White House strategy. Right now, I am not even sure. We should go deeper into who is doing what inside the Pentagon and the military. I mean, there is chaos.
There has been chaos since at least Obama because he was an extremely weak president. When a superpower like the United States is ruled by more or less an absent man in the White House, the agencies themselves start implementing their own policies. This is happening now under Trump, who was elected under specific platform and now is basically giving it up. There has been a coup against him by the neo-cons who basically got him under control. He wanted to drain the swamp, but the swamp basically drowned him.
I'm not sure there's anything I can identify as a US policy. There is, however, an Israeli and a Saudi policy. And those two happen to be very, very closely aligned. Because those two, first of all, are extremely powerful as we know, inside the United States. But not only inside the United States but they are also objectively aligned in the region, which is very counter intuitive. It's natural to wonder: What would the Saudi Wahhabis have in common with the Israelis? What they have in common is an immense fear of Iran, first and foremost. And generally, the Saudis and the Israelis have the same exact interest for the Arab Muslim world, which is to keep it in chaos and weak. That allows them to rule it. It's that simple(...)
[Provoking Russia in Syria] is completely nuts. And it is due to that fact that I 'm convinced the neocons are not American patriots. They have their ideology. They have their agenda. They are just like parasites sitting in the United States and using that country for their own petty ideological interests. Which is the same thing the Saudis have been doing, by the way. Our government has been hijacked, and that's the real problem.
By patriot, I simply mean a person who loves his country. Through that lens, Americans should immediately see that Russia and the United States have no conflict. There's nothing to fight over and a great deal to work together with. This is something that the neocons do not want. And that's why they basically crushed Trump. That is why both the Democratic party and the Republican party don't let the people who are for a non-aggressive foreign policy -- like someone like Ron Paul -- get anywhere near power. If you look at the Republican and Democratic national committees they always take away money from these candidates – even if means losing a Congressional seat. There is a real problem here in the United States. And that problem could end up with international nuclear war.
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Опаа...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/pentagon-furious-after-turkey-leaks-us-base-locations-syria
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-19/turkish-leak-of-u-s-positions-in-syria-seen-endangering-troops
Pentagon Furious After Turkey Leaks U.S. Base Locations In Syria: "Hard Not To See This As A F-You"
So much for NATO-alliance members working for the common good.
In a move that has angered the U.S. for obvious reason, Turkey’s state-run news agency Anadolu Agency has leaked the precise locations of U.S. bases in northern Syria. The move - which exposes the exact locations of American soldiers on the front lines in the war-torn nation - has sent the ongoing feud between the two NATO allies to new lows. As Bloomberg details, in reports published in both Turkish and English on Tuesday, Anadolu provided detailed information about 10 U.S. bases in northern Syria, including troop counts and a map of the U.S. force presence in the Turkish version.
Without citing specific sources, the state-run news agency unveiled the ten US outposts located in areas controlled by “terrorist” Kurdish militias in the provinces of Aleppo, Hasakah and Raqqa. The reports said that the military outposts are “usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected.” It said they were located “in the terrorist PKK/PYD-held Syrian territories,” a reference to Kurdish groups that Turkey’s government considers terrorist organizations.
While locations of two of the bases, in Rmeilan district (in Hasakah province) and Harab Isk village (near Kobani, in Aleppo province), had already been widely publicized, the others had been mentioned only in outside reports, or were completely unknown. Anadolu’s story also provided systematic and detailed information about troop numbers, equipment, and US operational procedures at the outposts.
Needless to say, the Pentagon was furious.
According to the Daily Beast, Washington was so incensed that it even tried to prevent US media from reprinting the story, after it had already appeared in the Turkish media.
“The discussion of specific troop numbers and locations would provide sensitive tactical information to the enemy which could endanger Coalition and partner forces,” Colonel Joe Scrocca, director of public affairs for Operation Inherent Resolve, reportedly wrote to the New York-based Daily Beast, which was the only major US outlet to pick up the story by Wednesday morning.
“Publishing this type of information would be professionally irresponsible and we respectively request that you refrain from disseminating any information that would put Coalition lives in jeopardy,” Scrocca added.
It is no secret that over the past few years Turkey and the U.S. have been at odds over the U.S. backing of Kurdish fighters in Syria who are affiliated with separatist movements inside Turkey. The Turkish government probably leaked U.S. troop locations to Anadolu as retaliation, according to Aaron Stein, a fellow at the Atlantic Council in Washington.
“The U.S. takes force protection seriously, obviously,” Stein said by email on Wednesday. “The Turkish government knows this, and still decided to leak the locations of U.S. bases in Syria. Hard not to see this as a F-you.”
Indeed, on Monday, Turkey’s National Security Council proclaimed that the Syrian-based YPD is the “same organization” as the separatist PKK that operates inside the country, and which Turkey has branded as terrorist. Turkish officials said that weapons freely flow between the two groups, and last month accused Washington of arming “terrorists,” saying that “some allies” apply “double standards.”
Meanwhile, the Pentagon said it had conveyed its concern to the Turkish government.
“While we cannot independently verify the sources that contributed to this story, we would be very concerned if officials from a NATO ally would purposefully endanger our forces by releasing sensitive information,” Major Adrian J.T. Rankine-Galloway, a Defense Department spokesman, said in an emailed statement. “The release of sensitive military information exposes Coalition forces to unnecessary risk and has the potential to disrupt ongoing operations to defeat ISIS.”
According to Bloomberg, Levent Tok, an Anadolu Agency reporter on the story, said the information about U.S. troop positions wasn’t leaked. "The story was based on field work by Anadolu’s Syria reporters and some of the information on bases had been broadcast on social media by Kurdish fighters", he told Bloomberg on Wednesday. “The U.S. should have thought about this before it cooperated with a terrorist organization,” he said.
The Anadolu report claims that the US operates several types of facilities in the Kurdish-controlled territories. Some are “field-type military points” which are “usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected.” The most prominent of these is Rmeilan, established in the Al-Hasakah province in October 2015. It has an airfield through which cargo planes deliver weapons to the fighters – one of the two major arms routes into the country, along with a land route from Iraq, according to the news agency. Another is Harab Isk, a helicopter base set up near Kobani in March 2016.
Apart from the more traditional facilities, the US-led coalition “uses some other places which are hard to be detected like residential areas, PKK/YPD camps, easily transformed factories.” Eight of the facilities are staffed with officers responsible “for airstrikes and artillery shelling, military consultants, training officers, [and] operational planning officers.”
“The equipment in the military points includes artillery batteries with high maneuverability, multi-barrel rocket launchers, various mobile equipment for intelligence and armored vehicles such as ‘Stryker’ for general patrols and security,” the report adds.
* * *
The incident was the latest to strain relations between Turkey and a major NATO ally.
Last week, a senior Turkish official told Bloomberg that Turkey had agreed to purchase a missile defense system from Russia, a move that could jeopardize Turkey’s relations with the Western security bloc. Germany is in the process of withdrawing from Turkey’s most important NATO base, Incirlik, after Turkey repeatedly refused to allow German lawmakers to visit troops there.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/pentagon-furious-after-turkey-leaks-us-base-locations-syria
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-19/turkish-leak-of-u-s-positions-in-syria-seen-endangering-troops
Pentagon Furious After Turkey Leaks U.S. Base Locations In Syria: "Hard Not To See This As A F-You"
So much for NATO-alliance members working for the common good.
In a move that has angered the U.S. for obvious reason, Turkey’s state-run news agency Anadolu Agency has leaked the precise locations of U.S. bases in northern Syria. The move - which exposes the exact locations of American soldiers on the front lines in the war-torn nation - has sent the ongoing feud between the two NATO allies to new lows. As Bloomberg details, in reports published in both Turkish and English on Tuesday, Anadolu provided detailed information about 10 U.S. bases in northern Syria, including troop counts and a map of the U.S. force presence in the Turkish version.
Without citing specific sources, the state-run news agency unveiled the ten US outposts located in areas controlled by “terrorist” Kurdish militias in the provinces of Aleppo, Hasakah and Raqqa. The reports said that the military outposts are “usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected.” It said they were located “in the terrorist PKK/PYD-held Syrian territories,” a reference to Kurdish groups that Turkey’s government considers terrorist organizations.
While locations of two of the bases, in Rmeilan district (in Hasakah province) and Harab Isk village (near Kobani, in Aleppo province), had already been widely publicized, the others had been mentioned only in outside reports, or were completely unknown. Anadolu’s story also provided systematic and detailed information about troop numbers, equipment, and US operational procedures at the outposts.
Needless to say, the Pentagon was furious.
According to the Daily Beast, Washington was so incensed that it even tried to prevent US media from reprinting the story, after it had already appeared in the Turkish media.
“The discussion of specific troop numbers and locations would provide sensitive tactical information to the enemy which could endanger Coalition and partner forces,” Colonel Joe Scrocca, director of public affairs for Operation Inherent Resolve, reportedly wrote to the New York-based Daily Beast, which was the only major US outlet to pick up the story by Wednesday morning.
“Publishing this type of information would be professionally irresponsible and we respectively request that you refrain from disseminating any information that would put Coalition lives in jeopardy,” Scrocca added.
It is no secret that over the past few years Turkey and the U.S. have been at odds over the U.S. backing of Kurdish fighters in Syria who are affiliated with separatist movements inside Turkey. The Turkish government probably leaked U.S. troop locations to Anadolu as retaliation, according to Aaron Stein, a fellow at the Atlantic Council in Washington.
“The U.S. takes force protection seriously, obviously,” Stein said by email on Wednesday. “The Turkish government knows this, and still decided to leak the locations of U.S. bases in Syria. Hard not to see this as a F-you.”
Indeed, on Monday, Turkey’s National Security Council proclaimed that the Syrian-based YPD is the “same organization” as the separatist PKK that operates inside the country, and which Turkey has branded as terrorist. Turkish officials said that weapons freely flow between the two groups, and last month accused Washington of arming “terrorists,” saying that “some allies” apply “double standards.”
Meanwhile, the Pentagon said it had conveyed its concern to the Turkish government.
“While we cannot independently verify the sources that contributed to this story, we would be very concerned if officials from a NATO ally would purposefully endanger our forces by releasing sensitive information,” Major Adrian J.T. Rankine-Galloway, a Defense Department spokesman, said in an emailed statement. “The release of sensitive military information exposes Coalition forces to unnecessary risk and has the potential to disrupt ongoing operations to defeat ISIS.”
According to Bloomberg, Levent Tok, an Anadolu Agency reporter on the story, said the information about U.S. troop positions wasn’t leaked. "The story was based on field work by Anadolu’s Syria reporters and some of the information on bases had been broadcast on social media by Kurdish fighters", he told Bloomberg on Wednesday. “The U.S. should have thought about this before it cooperated with a terrorist organization,” he said.
The Anadolu report claims that the US operates several types of facilities in the Kurdish-controlled territories. Some are “field-type military points” which are “usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected.” The most prominent of these is Rmeilan, established in the Al-Hasakah province in October 2015. It has an airfield through which cargo planes deliver weapons to the fighters – one of the two major arms routes into the country, along with a land route from Iraq, according to the news agency. Another is Harab Isk, a helicopter base set up near Kobani in March 2016.
Apart from the more traditional facilities, the US-led coalition “uses some other places which are hard to be detected like residential areas, PKK/YPD camps, easily transformed factories.” Eight of the facilities are staffed with officers responsible “for airstrikes and artillery shelling, military consultants, training officers, [and] operational planning officers.”
“The equipment in the military points includes artillery batteries with high maneuverability, multi-barrel rocket launchers, various mobile equipment for intelligence and armored vehicles such as ‘Stryker’ for general patrols and security,” the report adds.
* * *
The incident was the latest to strain relations between Turkey and a major NATO ally.
Last week, a senior Turkish official told Bloomberg that Turkey had agreed to purchase a missile defense system from Russia, a move that could jeopardize Turkey’s relations with the Western security bloc. Germany is in the process of withdrawing from Turkey’s most important NATO base, Incirlik, after Turkey repeatedly refused to allow German lawmakers to visit troops there.
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Зошто толку споро армијата дојде до Рака? Веќе опколен е градот и кај и да е ќе биде ослободен, дали е некој договор меѓу американците и на русите да не се меша Русија и армијата на асад во тој дел којзнае.
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17 август 2017 г. портпаролот на СДС (Сириски демократски сили) - Курдите, изјавува дека Американските сили ќе бидат со децении присутни во Сирија и ќе ги помагаат Курдите и после целосниот крах на ИД
За потсетување... УСА се присутни во Сирија официјално како предводници на The Global Coalition against Daesh!
Овие скроз се делегетимираа и спремни се за на суд! После ова само ментален случај и корисен идиот може да верува и да тврди дека УСА се во Сирија за да го уништат ИСИС, како што гласи и името на меѓународната коалиција која ја предводат! Вистинската цел е паѓање на Асад по секоја цена, па макар и Исис останал таму т.е. воведување „демократија“ по американски терк!
После ова едно е сигурно.. дечкото ќе го учиме во учебниците по историја, како прв лидер во светот која ја скрши америчката кичма на империјализмот во 21 век!
18 август 2017 г. портпалролката на Стејт Департментот од администрацијата на Трамп, Хитер Нојерт, ја демантираше информацијата на порпаролот на СДС, кои се сојузници со Американците во војната во Сирија
19 август 2017 г. Денови кога САА (Сириската Арабска Армија) т.е. владините сили на Асад, ја истиснуваат Исис од Сирија и бележат се поголеми победи од ден во ден, Американската авијација се става во одбрана на Исис и ги гаѓа војниците на Асад! Значи не во одбрана на „умерените“ ФСА или Курдите, за кои и некријат дека му се сојузници, туку во одбрана на ИСИС!Стејт Депармент: САД немаат намера да останат во Сирија по победата врз ДЕАШ
„Нашата целосна мисија е да го поразиме ДЕАШ, без разлика дали тоа е во Ирак или во Сирија. Тоа е наша намера - да го поразиме ДЕАШ и да не сториме ништо повеќе од тоа“, рече Нојерт
ВАШИНГТОН (АА) - САД немаат намера да останат во Сирија по елиминирањето на терористичката организација ДЕАШ, изјави вчера портпаролката на Стејт Департменот, Хитер Нојерт, негирајќи го соопштението на американските сили дека ќе останат таму три децении, јавува Anadolu Agency (AA).
„Нашата целосна мисија е да го поразиме ДЕАШ, без разлика дали тоа е во Ирак или во Сирија. Тоа е наша намера - да го поразиме ДЕАШ и да не сториме ништо повеќе од тоа“, рече Нојерт.
Портпаролката на Стејт Департменот одговараше на прашањата на новинарите на брифингот во врска со тврдењето на портпаролот на Сириските демократски сили (СДС) дека САД ќе останат во Сирија и по поразувањето на ДЕАШ.
„Ние сакаме Сирија да биде управувана од Сиријци, не од САД, ниту било кои други сили, туку од Сиријците“, додаде таа.
САД ја поддржува ПКК/ПЈД, a Турција ПКК/ПЈД, ја смета за сириски огранок на терористичката организација ПКК, заедно со неколку арапски милитанрски групи под чадорот на СДС.
САД ги гледа СДС како сигурен партнер во борбата против ДЕАШ и продолжува да ги обезбедува со оружје и опрема и покрај силните приговори од страна на Турција.
http://aa.com.tr/mk/свет/стејт-депармент-сад-немаат-намера-да-останат-во-сирија-по-победата-врз-деаш/888001
За потсетување... УСА се присутни во Сирија официјално како предводници на The Global Coalition against Daesh!
Овие скроз се делегетимираа и спремни се за на суд! После ова само ментален случај и корисен идиот може да верува и да тврди дека УСА се во Сирија за да го уништат ИСИС, како што гласи и името на меѓународната коалиција која ја предводат! Вистинската цел е паѓање на Асад по секоја цена, па макар и Исис останал таму т.е. воведување „демократија“ по американски терк!
После ова едно е сигурно.. дечкото ќе го учиме во учебниците по историја, како прв лидер во светот која ја скрши америчката кичма на империјализмот во 21 век!
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Море да не беше Русија ќе го учевте како што го учите Гадафи...
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Историјата не познава нешто „шта би било - кад би било“... Се согласувам дека Русија му пружи помош и застана зад него, но Асад не се откажа од борбата ни кога контролираше нешто помалку од 20% од територијата на Сирија!
Едно е сигурно, доста жилав испадна! А сирискиот народ стана прв во 21 век, кој ја скрши кичмата на американскиот империјализам. Следни на потег се Хутите од Јемен кои не само американската туку и саудиската ќе ја скршат!
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Ништо не скрши Асад, Русите беа тие што кршеа.
Кога беше кризата со хемискиот напад во 2013, Русија беше таа што издејствува да не паѓаат бомби врз Асад. Две години подоцна Русија беше таа што му го спасуваше газот на Асад од исламистите.
Ако сега се повлечи Русија, Асад ќе го крка по брза постапка.
Нормално дека Асад ќе се бореше до последно, како и Гадафи.
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А бомби би паѓале од кој ?
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Не ја потценувај Иранската помош за Асад.
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Знам дека е соборен митот за она „ако ти го науми Америка готов си...“ и сега кога тој факт за супериорноста на УСА е соборен, некој сеуште неможе да се помири. УСА станаа толку очајни што силите на Асад ги бомбардираа бидејќи многу на брзо ја бришат ИД од мапата на светот. А претходно изговорите му беа хемиски оружје, сарин гасови...
Пресметај колку изгуби УСА во пари, логистика, човечки жртви, оружје... и на крајот од приказната дојде до сојузник само Курдите да му останат, а самата Америка ги има ставено на терористичка листа ПКК.
Факторот Русија не е за занемарување, ама Асад не избега од Сирија и тогаш кога предвидуваа пад за 2 до 3 недели на Дамаск. Уште повеќе ниеден член од потесното семејство на Асад не ја напушти Сирија, туку сите останаа со него и сирискиот народ!
Настрана Русија која 80% делува воздушно, теренски најзаслужен за кршењето на кичмата на американските и израелски измеќари на копно во Сирија беше човекот... (можи слободно да се речи, па и позаслужен од Русија). Инаку, надалеку познат во западните медиуми како Командантот Сенка (The Shadow Commander)
Последно уредено:
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После толку водење војна, во секакви услови, урбани, пустински, па и со густа вегетација во регионите со реките, и често против противник со подобро оружје (америчко)... Сиријската Арапска Армија денес е една од најискусните армии во светот, и со официри, и со војници.
Да се остане цврст во такви услови, по толку години војна и крвопролевање - тоа не е мала работа.
Да се остане цврст во такви услови, по толку години војна и крвопролевање - тоа не е мала работа.