- Член од
- 19 март 2011
- Мислења
- 18.984
- Поени од реакции
- 40.199
Se pronajde vo knigata?
OSHO
- Креатор на темата Storm5
- Време на започнување
- Член од
- 5 јануари 2008
- Мислења
- 2.806
- Поени од реакции
- 3.062
да, отприлика исто мислење имав за тоа што пишува во книгата, и мн други работи ми се објаснија и аргументираа
shutrak
opsenar
- Член од
- 3 јуни 2011
- Мислења
- 37.621
- Поени од реакции
- 31.462
za uchenjeto i nachinot na meditacii od OSHO nema ., no vo zgradata na socijalistichka sekoj petok ima predavanja meditacii razgovori ., za univerzalna nergija ., mozhesh da odish ., ako ne te bendisuva nikomu nishto., no vredi da se proba., pozdrav
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Кога сме веќе кај Ошо 
I am not asking you to accept what is being said; I am only asking you to listen totally.
Then what is it? It is a totally different phenomenon, neither acceptance nor rejection -- just awareness.
When you listen to the birds singing, do you accept, do you reject? Do you agree, do you disagree? You simply listen. The sound of a waterfall... what do you do? You simply listen. The wind passing through the pines... is agreement needed, disagreement? Nothing is needed; you simply listen. The music of the wind passing through the pines, the dance of the trees in the sun... you simply see, you listen. You are just a mirror. The mirror does not agree and does not disagree; it only reflects.
And that is required from the disciple -- not acceptance, remember. I am not creating a creed, I am not giving you a dogma. I don't want you to be believers, neither do I want you to be disbelievers. But what is the point of bringing belief and disbelief into it? Just listen to me silently, fully, so nothing is missed, that's all.
And the beauty of truth is that if you listen silently, totally, it penetrates to the very core of your being; it reaches to the heart. You need not agree; the seed of it falls into your consciousness and starts growing.
Just the opposite is the case with the untruth: if you listen totally, no untruth can penetrate in your being. That totality is enough to throw any kind of untruth out. In a total state of consciousness, in total silence, untruth cannot penetrate; only truth can penetrate.
So I am not interested in your agreement; I am only interested in your openness. And I am not telling you to be unquestioning, neither am I telling you to go on questioning. Both are futile activities while you are listening. If you listen with a thousand and one questions in the mind, how can you listen at all ? Those questions create so much clamor, so much noise; they don't allow anything to enter in. And if you listen with an unquestioning mind, that means you are being gullible, you are being just unintelligent. So there is no need for questions and there is no need for unquestioning acceptance.
What is needed, what is required from the disciple, is a total silence; just being here with me in deep communion, bridged, so slowly slowly, your breath falls in tune with my breath, your heart starts beating in the same rhythm as my heart, so we lose separation, so these three thousand people here become almost one entity, so attuned, so deep in accord that they can't feel separate. A great melting, merger, happens. And those are the moments of truth, moments of great joy, moments of meditation.
The disciple is required to listen meditatively, because in those meditative moments windows open into the divine, doors open -- doors where you have never suspected that doors exist, where you have always thought there are walls. Suddenly doors open. Where you have never thought that there is any bridge possible, bridges suddenly appear. It is a mysterious phenomenon.
So those who are here as outsiders, they will only get the most superficial thing: my words. They will not be able to participate in my heart. They will not be able to drink out of my being. They will not be able to be part of my dance, of my song.
--- надополнето: Jun 18, 2011 12:25 AM ---
Еднаш отворив тема ама некои мудри луѓе ја упропастија
Maње више не е битно еве нешто од Ошо во тој правец
Difference between a man of wisdom and a man of knowledge
Two monasteries existed side by side and both the masters had small boys to run errands. Both the boys used to go to the market to fetch things for the masters -- sometimes vegetables, sometimes other things.
These monasteries were antagonistic towards each other, but boys will be boys. They would forget the doctrines and meet on the way and talk, enjoy. It was really prohibited to talk -- the other monastery was the enemy.
One day, the boy from the first monastery came and said, "I am puzzled. As I was going to the market, I saw the boy from the other monastery and asked him, `Where are you going?' He replied, `Wherever the wind blows.' I was at a loss as to what to say; he puzzled me.
The master said, "This is not good. Nobody from our monastery has ever been defeated by the other monastery, not even a servant, so you must fix that boy. Tomorrow, ask again where he is going. He will say, `Wherever the wind blows,' so you say, `If there is no wind, then?' "
The boy couldn't sleep the whole night. He tried and tried to conceive of what would happen the next day; he rehearsed many times. He would ask and the other boy would respond and then he would give his answer.
The next day he waited on the road. The other boy came and he asked, "Where are you going?" The boy said, "Wherever my feet lead me."
He was at a loss as to what to do. His answer was fixed; reality is unpredictable. He came back very sad and said to the master, "That boy is not trustworthy. He changed and I was at a loss as to what to do."
So the master said, "Next day when he answers, `Wherever my feet lead,' you tell him, `If you are crippled and your legs are cut off, then?' "
Again he couldn't sleep. He went early to wait on the road. When the boy came he asked, "Where are you going?" And the boy said "To fetch vegetables from the market."
He became very disturbed and said to the master, "This boy is impossible: he goes on changing."
Life is that boy. Reality is not a fixed phenomenon. You have to be present, spontaneously in it -- only then will the response be real. If your answer is fixed beforehand you are already dead, you have already missed. Then tomorrow will come but you will not be there; you will be fixed in the yesterday, that which has passed.
All the minds which are too verbal are fixed like this.
This is the difference between a man of wisdom and a man of knowledge.
I am not asking you to accept what is being said; I am only asking you to listen totally.
Then what is it? It is a totally different phenomenon, neither acceptance nor rejection -- just awareness.
When you listen to the birds singing, do you accept, do you reject? Do you agree, do you disagree? You simply listen. The sound of a waterfall... what do you do? You simply listen. The wind passing through the pines... is agreement needed, disagreement? Nothing is needed; you simply listen. The music of the wind passing through the pines, the dance of the trees in the sun... you simply see, you listen. You are just a mirror. The mirror does not agree and does not disagree; it only reflects.
And that is required from the disciple -- not acceptance, remember. I am not creating a creed, I am not giving you a dogma. I don't want you to be believers, neither do I want you to be disbelievers. But what is the point of bringing belief and disbelief into it? Just listen to me silently, fully, so nothing is missed, that's all.
And the beauty of truth is that if you listen silently, totally, it penetrates to the very core of your being; it reaches to the heart. You need not agree; the seed of it falls into your consciousness and starts growing.
Just the opposite is the case with the untruth: if you listen totally, no untruth can penetrate in your being. That totality is enough to throw any kind of untruth out. In a total state of consciousness, in total silence, untruth cannot penetrate; only truth can penetrate.
So I am not interested in your agreement; I am only interested in your openness. And I am not telling you to be unquestioning, neither am I telling you to go on questioning. Both are futile activities while you are listening. If you listen with a thousand and one questions in the mind, how can you listen at all ? Those questions create so much clamor, so much noise; they don't allow anything to enter in. And if you listen with an unquestioning mind, that means you are being gullible, you are being just unintelligent. So there is no need for questions and there is no need for unquestioning acceptance.
What is needed, what is required from the disciple, is a total silence; just being here with me in deep communion, bridged, so slowly slowly, your breath falls in tune with my breath, your heart starts beating in the same rhythm as my heart, so we lose separation, so these three thousand people here become almost one entity, so attuned, so deep in accord that they can't feel separate. A great melting, merger, happens. And those are the moments of truth, moments of great joy, moments of meditation.
The disciple is required to listen meditatively, because in those meditative moments windows open into the divine, doors open -- doors where you have never suspected that doors exist, where you have always thought there are walls. Suddenly doors open. Where you have never thought that there is any bridge possible, bridges suddenly appear. It is a mysterious phenomenon.
So those who are here as outsiders, they will only get the most superficial thing: my words. They will not be able to participate in my heart. They will not be able to drink out of my being. They will not be able to be part of my dance, of my song.
--- надополнето: Jun 18, 2011 12:25 AM ---
Еднаш отворив тема ама некои мудри луѓе ја упропастија
Maње више не е битно еве нешто од Ошо во тој правец
Difference between a man of wisdom and a man of knowledge
Two monasteries existed side by side and both the masters had small boys to run errands. Both the boys used to go to the market to fetch things for the masters -- sometimes vegetables, sometimes other things.
These monasteries were antagonistic towards each other, but boys will be boys. They would forget the doctrines and meet on the way and talk, enjoy. It was really prohibited to talk -- the other monastery was the enemy.
One day, the boy from the first monastery came and said, "I am puzzled. As I was going to the market, I saw the boy from the other monastery and asked him, `Where are you going?' He replied, `Wherever the wind blows.' I was at a loss as to what to say; he puzzled me.
The master said, "This is not good. Nobody from our monastery has ever been defeated by the other monastery, not even a servant, so you must fix that boy. Tomorrow, ask again where he is going. He will say, `Wherever the wind blows,' so you say, `If there is no wind, then?' "
The boy couldn't sleep the whole night. He tried and tried to conceive of what would happen the next day; he rehearsed many times. He would ask and the other boy would respond and then he would give his answer.
The next day he waited on the road. The other boy came and he asked, "Where are you going?" The boy said, "Wherever my feet lead me."
He was at a loss as to what to do. His answer was fixed; reality is unpredictable. He came back very sad and said to the master, "That boy is not trustworthy. He changed and I was at a loss as to what to do."
So the master said, "Next day when he answers, `Wherever my feet lead,' you tell him, `If you are crippled and your legs are cut off, then?' "
Again he couldn't sleep. He went early to wait on the road. When the boy came he asked, "Where are you going?" And the boy said "To fetch vegetables from the market."
He became very disturbed and said to the master, "This boy is impossible: he goes on changing."
Life is that boy. Reality is not a fixed phenomenon. You have to be present, spontaneously in it -- only then will the response be real. If your answer is fixed beforehand you are already dead, you have already missed. Then tomorrow will come but you will not be there; you will be fixed in the yesterday, that which has passed.
All the minds which are too verbal are fixed like this.
This is the difference between a man of wisdom and a man of knowledge.
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Osho on three steps of Awareness
Question: Beloved Master, Is Maturation an ongoing process? How is maturation related to awareness? Please explain.
Osho: Yes. Maturation is an ongoing process. There is no full stop, not even a semicolon anywhere... it goes on and on. The universe is infinite. So is the possibility of your maturing. You can become so huge.... Your consciousness is not confined to your body. It can spread all over existence and all the stars can be within you. And there is no place where you will find a plate that says, ”Here ends the universe.” It is just not possible. It never begins; it never ends.
And you are part of it. You have been here always and you will be here always. Only forms change, and forms don’t matter. What matters is the content. So remember that particularly in America, containers matter more than the content. Who cares about the content? The container has to be beautiful.
Remember, the container is not you. You are the content. Forms change, your being remains the same. And it goes on growing, maturing, goes on becoming more enriched. And you ask, ”What is the relationship between awareness and maturity?” Awareness is the method; maturation is the result. Become more aware and you will have more maturity; hence, I teach you awareness and don’t talk about maturity. It is going to happen if you are aware.
There are three steps of awareness. First, become aware of your body – walking, chopping wood or carrying water from the well. Be watchful, be alert, aware, conscious. Don’t go on doing things like a zombie, like a somnambulist, a sleepwalker. When you have become aware of your body and its actions, then move deeper – to your mind and its activity, thoughts, imagination, projections. When you have become deeply aware of the mind, you will be surprised.
When you become aware of your bodily processes, you will be surprised there too. I can move my hand mechanically, I can move it with full awareness. When I move it with full awareness, there is grace, there is beauty. I can speak without awareness. There are orators, speakers.... I don’t know any oratory; I have never learned the art of speaking, because to me it looks foolish. If I have something to say, that is enough. But I am speaking to you with full awareness, each word, each pause... I am not an orator, not a speaker.
But when you are aware of speaking, it starts becoming art. It takes on the nuances of poetry and music. One man, a Western journalist, wrote a book, the new Mystics. His name is Aubrey Menen. He introduced me to the West. He has covered other mystics, but I was on his front cover. And the things he said, I could not believe myself. He said that he has listened to Adolf Hitler, who was a tremendous orator. He has listened to Jawaharlal Nehru, the first prime minister of India, who could hold millions of people while he was speaking.
He mentioned Kennedy – President Kennedy, who was a great speaker. But I was surprised: he said that listening to me, he felt a tremendous difference. ”Certainly this man is not trained in oratory or speaking, but whatever he is saying is reaching directly to people’s hearts. It was not the case with Adolf Hitler, Jawaharlal Nehru or President Kennedy; they were just repeating words like parrots.”
This is bound to happen if you speak with awareness. Then every gesture, every word has a beauty of its own. There is grace. When you become aware of the mind, you are in for a greater surprise. The more you become aware, the less thoughts move on the track. If you have one hundred percent thoughts, there is no awareness. If you have one percent awareness, there are only ninety-nine percent thoughts – in exact proportion. When you have ninety-nine percent awareness, there is only one percent thought, because it is the same energy.
As you become more aware there is no energy available for thoughts; they die out. When you are one hundred percent aware, the mind becomes absolutely silent. That is the time to move still deeper.
The third step: to become aware of feelings, moods, emotions.In other words, first the body – its action; second, the mind – its activity; third, the heart and its functions. When you move to the heart and bring your awareness there, again a new surprise. All that is good grows, and all that is bad starts disappearing. Love grows, hate disappears. Compassion grows, anger disappears. Sharing grows, greed disappears.
When your awareness of the heart is complete, the last surprise, and the greatest surprise: you don’t have to take any step. A quantum leap happens on its own accord. From the heart, you suddenly find yourself in your being, at the very center. There you are aware only of awareness, conscious only of consciousness. There is nothing else to be aware of, or to be conscious of. And this is the ultimate purity. This is what I call enlightenment.
And this is your birthright! If you miss, only you are responsible. You cannot dump the responsibility on anybody else. And it is so simple and natural, that you just have to begin. Only the first step is difficult. The whole journey is simple. There is a saying that the first step is almost the whole journey.
Question: Beloved Master, Is Maturation an ongoing process? How is maturation related to awareness? Please explain.
Osho: Yes. Maturation is an ongoing process. There is no full stop, not even a semicolon anywhere... it goes on and on. The universe is infinite. So is the possibility of your maturing. You can become so huge.... Your consciousness is not confined to your body. It can spread all over existence and all the stars can be within you. And there is no place where you will find a plate that says, ”Here ends the universe.” It is just not possible. It never begins; it never ends.
And you are part of it. You have been here always and you will be here always. Only forms change, and forms don’t matter. What matters is the content. So remember that particularly in America, containers matter more than the content. Who cares about the content? The container has to be beautiful.
Remember, the container is not you. You are the content. Forms change, your being remains the same. And it goes on growing, maturing, goes on becoming more enriched. And you ask, ”What is the relationship between awareness and maturity?” Awareness is the method; maturation is the result. Become more aware and you will have more maturity; hence, I teach you awareness and don’t talk about maturity. It is going to happen if you are aware.
There are three steps of awareness. First, become aware of your body – walking, chopping wood or carrying water from the well. Be watchful, be alert, aware, conscious. Don’t go on doing things like a zombie, like a somnambulist, a sleepwalker. When you have become aware of your body and its actions, then move deeper – to your mind and its activity, thoughts, imagination, projections. When you have become deeply aware of the mind, you will be surprised.
When you become aware of your bodily processes, you will be surprised there too. I can move my hand mechanically, I can move it with full awareness. When I move it with full awareness, there is grace, there is beauty. I can speak without awareness. There are orators, speakers.... I don’t know any oratory; I have never learned the art of speaking, because to me it looks foolish. If I have something to say, that is enough. But I am speaking to you with full awareness, each word, each pause... I am not an orator, not a speaker.
But when you are aware of speaking, it starts becoming art. It takes on the nuances of poetry and music. One man, a Western journalist, wrote a book, the new Mystics. His name is Aubrey Menen. He introduced me to the West. He has covered other mystics, but I was on his front cover. And the things he said, I could not believe myself. He said that he has listened to Adolf Hitler, who was a tremendous orator. He has listened to Jawaharlal Nehru, the first prime minister of India, who could hold millions of people while he was speaking.
He mentioned Kennedy – President Kennedy, who was a great speaker. But I was surprised: he said that listening to me, he felt a tremendous difference. ”Certainly this man is not trained in oratory or speaking, but whatever he is saying is reaching directly to people’s hearts. It was not the case with Adolf Hitler, Jawaharlal Nehru or President Kennedy; they were just repeating words like parrots.”
This is bound to happen if you speak with awareness. Then every gesture, every word has a beauty of its own. There is grace. When you become aware of the mind, you are in for a greater surprise. The more you become aware, the less thoughts move on the track. If you have one hundred percent thoughts, there is no awareness. If you have one percent awareness, there are only ninety-nine percent thoughts – in exact proportion. When you have ninety-nine percent awareness, there is only one percent thought, because it is the same energy.
As you become more aware there is no energy available for thoughts; they die out. When you are one hundred percent aware, the mind becomes absolutely silent. That is the time to move still deeper.
The third step: to become aware of feelings, moods, emotions.In other words, first the body – its action; second, the mind – its activity; third, the heart and its functions. When you move to the heart and bring your awareness there, again a new surprise. All that is good grows, and all that is bad starts disappearing. Love grows, hate disappears. Compassion grows, anger disappears. Sharing grows, greed disappears.
When your awareness of the heart is complete, the last surprise, and the greatest surprise: you don’t have to take any step. A quantum leap happens on its own accord. From the heart, you suddenly find yourself in your being, at the very center. There you are aware only of awareness, conscious only of consciousness. There is nothing else to be aware of, or to be conscious of. And this is the ultimate purity. This is what I call enlightenment.
And this is your birthright! If you miss, only you are responsible. You cannot dump the responsibility on anybody else. And it is so simple and natural, that you just have to begin. Only the first step is difficult. The whole journey is simple. There is a saying that the first step is almost the whole journey.
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
NO EFFORT IS REQUIRED TO BE BORN.
NO EFFORT IS REQUIRED TO DIE.
NO EFFORT IS REQUIRED TO FALL IN LOVE
WHY IS SUCH EFFORT REQUIRED TO KNOW GOD (THROUGH MEDITATION)
WHEN THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST NATURAL THING?
IS GOD TRYING TO TEST US IN SOME WAY?
First thing: no effort is required in meditation either. Meditation also comes on its own accord. Through
effort it never comes. To whom has meditation happened through effort? It will be almost like making an
effort to love somebody. How can you make any effort to love somebody? The more effort you make, the
more the love will be false, pseudo, just a pretension. Love has to arise naturally. So arises meditation.
But all meditators are not spontaneously in it -- and neither are all lovers spontaneously in it. In fact,
psychologists say -- a tremendous discovery -- that if love is not talked about, ninety-nine percent of people
will never know anything about it. If love is not talked about, if poets don't go on praising it, and if
traditional literature is not available about love, ninety-nine percent of people will never be aware that
anything like love exists. They will know about sex, but not about love. But because of the poets and
because of the novelists and because of the films and the TV, love is talked so much about that everybody
starts thinking that he is in love. That love is also false.
And the same is the case with meditation. Ninety-nine percent of people start meditating because
meditation is talked about. There are times when it becomes fashionable. America is passing through such a
phase. Meditation is talked about; everybody is doing meditation. If you are not doing it you must be
missing something. You don't feel any need for it, it has not arisen in your being, you have not come to that
point of evolution where meditation happens on its own accord; but everybody is doing it and everybody is
going to the Masters and everybody is sitting silently. Somebody is doing zazen and somebody is doing TM
and somebody is doing Dynamic. You must be missing something. So greed arises; out of greed you start
making effort.
That effort is not for meditation. That effort is to gain something which you think will be gained out of
meditation.
These phases come and go. These cults arise and disappear. These are just like fashions. The real
meditator has not come to meditate because others are meditating, but a deep need has arisen in him, has
become a knocking in his heart, a continuous knocking. The whole world seems to be meaningless; he
wants to go in. He wants to know who he is. Not because others have known! If there is nobody propagating
meditation and no books are available and all books are destroyed and all Masters go and hide in the caves
in the Himalayas, then too there will be a few people who will meditate, who will find out how to meditate
on their own accord. Those will be the real meditators. And for them meditation will be just as easy as
anything. It will be just like breathing.
When such a man comes, then any technique functions for him. I observe it every day. If somebody
whose time has come to meditate....
It is just like sexual maturity. A boy of three years has no idea about sex, and even if the boy of three
years comes to see a man making love to a woman, he will not understand what is happening. At the most,
he will think the man is trying to kill the woman; they are fighting or something. He will not have any idea
what is happening. By the age of fourteen, suddenly something explodes in his biology. He is not aware of
what it is, but something is happening. He is the same no more.
And then follows a time, a period, of very much embarrassment because the boy does not know what
exactly is happening. But something is happening, something very much unknown, something which is
creating trouble, something which is hovering around; and he does not know what it is and how to tackle it
and how to figure it out. It is a natural phenomenon; now sex has become mature; the sex gland is secreting.
If life goes naturally, beautifully, if there are no lifenegative teachers, if there are no politicians and
priests to distract you -- then near about the age of forty-two, exactly as sex maturity comes, comes
meditation maturity, Near about the age of forty-two, one starts feeling to fall withinwards. Near the age of
fourteen, one starts falling towards the other, becomes extrovert. Love is extroversion; relationship is to
think of the other. Meditation is introversion; meditation is to think of one's own self, of one's own center.
Between the age of fourteen and the age of forty-two there comes a change. By and by one lives life,
knows what love is, knows its fulfillment and its frustration, knows its joy and its sadness, knows its beauty
and its ugliness, knows that there are moments of great ecstasy and then great valleys of darkness. Then one
starts by and by moving towards his own self, because to depend on the other can never be really ecstatic. If
your joy depends on the other, that joy can never have the quality of freedom in it. And a joy which does not
have the quality of freedom is not much joy. If you are dependent on the other, then there is a limitation.
And the joy that comes through love is momentary. You can meet with the other only for moments, and
then again you are separate and you fall apart. Just in the middle of it you fall apart. Just for a moment you
become joined together. Then one starts thinking, "Is there a way to become one with existence and never to
fall apart again?" That's what meditation is. Love is joining with existence through another person for only
moments. Meditation is getting joined together with existence eternally. "Yoga" means "to join together".
--- надополнето: Jun 24, 2011 11:48 PM ---
And remember, effort is not needed for meditation. Effort is needed to undo what the society has done to
you. A dehypnosis is needed. The society has hypnotized you. The society has conditioned you; an
unconditioning is needed. The society has made you dirty; a cleansing is needed. A good shower -- that's
what your effort is. Once you have started feeling that meditation is your innermost quality, you can go into
it anytime. It is so easy, as breathing. Then all effort disappears.
--- надополнето: Jun 25, 2011 12:43 AM ---
NO EFFORT IS REQUIRED TO DIE.
NO EFFORT IS REQUIRED TO FALL IN LOVE
WHY IS SUCH EFFORT REQUIRED TO KNOW GOD (THROUGH MEDITATION)
WHEN THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST NATURAL THING?
IS GOD TRYING TO TEST US IN SOME WAY?
First thing: no effort is required in meditation either. Meditation also comes on its own accord. Through
effort it never comes. To whom has meditation happened through effort? It will be almost like making an
effort to love somebody. How can you make any effort to love somebody? The more effort you make, the
more the love will be false, pseudo, just a pretension. Love has to arise naturally. So arises meditation.
But all meditators are not spontaneously in it -- and neither are all lovers spontaneously in it. In fact,
psychologists say -- a tremendous discovery -- that if love is not talked about, ninety-nine percent of people
will never know anything about it. If love is not talked about, if poets don't go on praising it, and if
traditional literature is not available about love, ninety-nine percent of people will never be aware that
anything like love exists. They will know about sex, but not about love. But because of the poets and
because of the novelists and because of the films and the TV, love is talked so much about that everybody
starts thinking that he is in love. That love is also false.
And the same is the case with meditation. Ninety-nine percent of people start meditating because
meditation is talked about. There are times when it becomes fashionable. America is passing through such a
phase. Meditation is talked about; everybody is doing meditation. If you are not doing it you must be
missing something. You don't feel any need for it, it has not arisen in your being, you have not come to that
point of evolution where meditation happens on its own accord; but everybody is doing it and everybody is
going to the Masters and everybody is sitting silently. Somebody is doing zazen and somebody is doing TM
and somebody is doing Dynamic. You must be missing something. So greed arises; out of greed you start
making effort.
That effort is not for meditation. That effort is to gain something which you think will be gained out of
meditation.
These phases come and go. These cults arise and disappear. These are just like fashions. The real
meditator has not come to meditate because others are meditating, but a deep need has arisen in him, has
become a knocking in his heart, a continuous knocking. The whole world seems to be meaningless; he
wants to go in. He wants to know who he is. Not because others have known! If there is nobody propagating
meditation and no books are available and all books are destroyed and all Masters go and hide in the caves
in the Himalayas, then too there will be a few people who will meditate, who will find out how to meditate
on their own accord. Those will be the real meditators. And for them meditation will be just as easy as
anything. It will be just like breathing.
When such a man comes, then any technique functions for him. I observe it every day. If somebody
whose time has come to meditate....
It is just like sexual maturity. A boy of three years has no idea about sex, and even if the boy of three
years comes to see a man making love to a woman, he will not understand what is happening. At the most,
he will think the man is trying to kill the woman; they are fighting or something. He will not have any idea
what is happening. By the age of fourteen, suddenly something explodes in his biology. He is not aware of
what it is, but something is happening. He is the same no more.
And then follows a time, a period, of very much embarrassment because the boy does not know what
exactly is happening. But something is happening, something very much unknown, something which is
creating trouble, something which is hovering around; and he does not know what it is and how to tackle it
and how to figure it out. It is a natural phenomenon; now sex has become mature; the sex gland is secreting.
If life goes naturally, beautifully, if there are no lifenegative teachers, if there are no politicians and
priests to distract you -- then near about the age of forty-two, exactly as sex maturity comes, comes
meditation maturity, Near about the age of forty-two, one starts feeling to fall withinwards. Near the age of
fourteen, one starts falling towards the other, becomes extrovert. Love is extroversion; relationship is to
think of the other. Meditation is introversion; meditation is to think of one's own self, of one's own center.
Between the age of fourteen and the age of forty-two there comes a change. By and by one lives life,
knows what love is, knows its fulfillment and its frustration, knows its joy and its sadness, knows its beauty
and its ugliness, knows that there are moments of great ecstasy and then great valleys of darkness. Then one
starts by and by moving towards his own self, because to depend on the other can never be really ecstatic. If
your joy depends on the other, that joy can never have the quality of freedom in it. And a joy which does not
have the quality of freedom is not much joy. If you are dependent on the other, then there is a limitation.
And the joy that comes through love is momentary. You can meet with the other only for moments, and
then again you are separate and you fall apart. Just in the middle of it you fall apart. Just for a moment you
become joined together. Then one starts thinking, "Is there a way to become one with existence and never to
fall apart again?" That's what meditation is. Love is joining with existence through another person for only
moments. Meditation is getting joined together with existence eternally. "Yoga" means "to join together".
--- надополнето: Jun 24, 2011 11:48 PM ---
And remember, effort is not needed for meditation. Effort is needed to undo what the society has done to
you. A dehypnosis is needed. The society has hypnotized you. The society has conditioned you; an
unconditioning is needed. The society has made you dirty; a cleansing is needed. A good shower -- that's
what your effort is. Once you have started feeling that meditation is your innermost quality, you can go into
it anytime. It is so easy, as breathing. Then all effort disappears.
--- надополнето: Jun 25, 2011 12:43 AM ---
- Член од
- 5 април 2011
- Мислења
- 334
- Поени од реакции
- 142
Дмт ме интересира, те имам прочитано неколку пати како тврдиш дека не следиш ниедно учење но постојано постираш мислења од Ошо, негови видеа и цитати. Ошоист си или?
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Следење значи одење по некој предетерминиран пат, доктрина мислам дека произлегува
oд зборот пат. Ако го простудираш малку Ошо еве пример ќе ти дам http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/Tao_The_Pathless_Path_Vol1/Osho-Tao-The-Pathless-Path-Vol-1-00000001.html
Ќе видиш дека и самиот е против индоктринација и слични срања.
Me прашуваш дали сум ошоист, а што значи тоа ошоист?
Инаку постирам цело време иста работа со различни зборови кажана.
Ako земев сам да го правев ова ќе ми требаше многу време
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Ambition is the source of all miseries.
What is ambition? 'A' wants to be 'B', the poor wants to be rich, the ugly wants to be beautiful. Everyone
longs to be someone else, something other than what he is. No one is content with himself. That's what
ambition is.
Whatsoever you are, you are not content with it. This is ambition. Then you are bound to be in misery,
because you cannot be anything else. You can only be yourself; nothing else is possible. All else is just
futile, harmful, dangerous. You can waste your whole life, your whole existence.
Whatsoever you are, you are. Accept it; don't desire it to be otherwise. This is what nonambition means.
Nonambitiousness is basic to all spiritual transformation, because once you accept yourself, many things
start happening. But the first thing.... If you accept yourself totally, the first thing that happens to you is a
nontense life. There is no tension. You don't want to be anything else; there is nowhere else to go. Then you
can be here and now. There is no comparison. You yourself are unique. You no longer think in terms of
others.
Then there is no future. Ambition needs future, it needs space to grow. It cannot grow here and now;
there is no space. This moment is so small, so atomic. Ambition needs the future; and the greater the
ambition, the greater the future that is needed.
If your ambition is so great that it cannot be fulfilled in this life, then you will create an afterlife. You
will create heaven, you will create moksha, you will create the concept of rebirth. I am not saying that there
is no rebirth. I am saying that you believe in rebirth not because it is there but because your ambitions are so
great that they cannot be fulfilled in one lifetime. Your belief in rebirth, reincarnation, is not because it is a
fact. It is because of ambition and desire. Reincarnation may be a fact, but for you it is just a fiction. For you
it is just a matter of the future, of more space to move in.
What is ambition? 'A' wants to be 'B', the poor wants to be rich, the ugly wants to be beautiful. Everyone
longs to be someone else, something other than what he is. No one is content with himself. That's what
ambition is.
Whatsoever you are, you are not content with it. This is ambition. Then you are bound to be in misery,
because you cannot be anything else. You can only be yourself; nothing else is possible. All else is just
futile, harmful, dangerous. You can waste your whole life, your whole existence.
Whatsoever you are, you are. Accept it; don't desire it to be otherwise. This is what nonambition means.
Nonambitiousness is basic to all spiritual transformation, because once you accept yourself, many things
start happening. But the first thing.... If you accept yourself totally, the first thing that happens to you is a
nontense life. There is no tension. You don't want to be anything else; there is nowhere else to go. Then you
can be here and now. There is no comparison. You yourself are unique. You no longer think in terms of
others.
Then there is no future. Ambition needs future, it needs space to grow. It cannot grow here and now;
there is no space. This moment is so small, so atomic. Ambition needs the future; and the greater the
ambition, the greater the future that is needed.
If your ambition is so great that it cannot be fulfilled in this life, then you will create an afterlife. You
will create heaven, you will create moksha, you will create the concept of rebirth. I am not saying that there
is no rebirth. I am saying that you believe in rebirth not because it is there but because your ambitions are so
great that they cannot be fulfilled in one lifetime. Your belief in rebirth, reincarnation, is not because it is a
fact. It is because of ambition and desire. Reincarnation may be a fact, but for you it is just a fiction. For you
it is just a matter of the future, of more space to move in.
shutrak
opsenar
- Член од
- 3 јуни 2011
- Мислења
- 37.621
- Поени од реакции
- 31.462
nekogash ,po momentite na jasnost i svetlina, mi se chini deka starite prijateli kako shto se nasilnite chuvstva,ljubomorata,razlutenosta i taka natamu, se vrakaat so ushte pogolem intenzitet,kako da demneele od strana i chekale da dobijat nova shansa da se vratat.Mozhe li da kazhete neshto okolu ova?<>OSHO<>
vashite komentari vernici i nevernici ???
vashite komentari vernici i nevernici ???
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Што појасно гледаш ликовите во сликите ти стануваат поголеми.
--- надополнето: Jun 28, 2011 12:50 PM ---
The Masters illuminate and confirm realization.
They illuminate in a thousand and one ways.
They go on pointing towards the truth:
fingers pointing to the moon.
But there are many fools who start clinging to the fingers.
By clinging to the fingers you will not see the moon, remember.
There are even greater fools who start biting the fingers.
That is not going to give you any nourishment.
Forget the finger and look at where it is pointing.
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
Truth is a bird on the wing, not a bird in the cage.
The cage may be of gold, may be studded with diamonds,
but a cage is a cage and it cannot contain freedom.
Truth can never become a prisoner, its intrinsic quality is freedom,
so only those who are capable of being free attain to it.
People go on changing their slaveries — from one slavery to another slavery, from one prison to another prison. The moment they are out of one they get into another. They don’t lose even a single moment; one chain broken and they have already prepared another. So one goes on from one discipline to another, one school to another, one method to another.
One has to understand that there is no way to become worthy of truth; that one has to be utterly humble, unworthy, that one has to know: ‘On my own nothing is possible.’ In that helplessness, in that utter hopelessness when the mind knows no movement and everything has stopped, truth comes.
Truth liberates’, because truth is liberation; it is freedom and it frees you. But the people who discipline themselves are the prisoners and they themselves are their prison. Immorality creates one kind of prison, morality creates another kind. There are secular prisons and there are religious prisons, but prisons all the same. Truth comes to a consciousness which is neither moral nor immoral, which is neither good nor bad, which is neither religious nor irreligious.
A consciousness which has no prejudice, no ideology, no doctrine. In that utter silence when ideologies have disappeared, disciplines have been dropped, methods are no more meaningful, truth comes.
The cage may be of gold, may be studded with diamonds,
but a cage is a cage and it cannot contain freedom.
Truth can never become a prisoner, its intrinsic quality is freedom,
so only those who are capable of being free attain to it.
People go on changing their slaveries — from one slavery to another slavery, from one prison to another prison. The moment they are out of one they get into another. They don’t lose even a single moment; one chain broken and they have already prepared another. So one goes on from one discipline to another, one school to another, one method to another.
One has to understand that there is no way to become worthy of truth; that one has to be utterly humble, unworthy, that one has to know: ‘On my own nothing is possible.’ In that helplessness, in that utter hopelessness when the mind knows no movement and everything has stopped, truth comes.
Truth liberates’, because truth is liberation; it is freedom and it frees you. But the people who discipline themselves are the prisoners and they themselves are their prison. Immorality creates one kind of prison, morality creates another kind. There are secular prisons and there are religious prisons, but prisons all the same. Truth comes to a consciousness which is neither moral nor immoral, which is neither good nor bad, which is neither religious nor irreligious.
A consciousness which has no prejudice, no ideology, no doctrine. In that utter silence when ideologies have disappeared, disciplines have been dropped, methods are no more meaningful, truth comes.
- Член од
- 24 октомври 2010
- Мислења
- 2.434
- Поени од реакции
- 244
The mind is not your reality; it is a false interpretation. You are not the mind, you have never been a mind, you can never be the mind. That is your problem- you have become identified with something which is not. You are like a beggar who believes that he has a kingdom. He is so worried about the kingdom -- how to manage it, how to govern it, how to prevent anarchy. There is no kingdom, but he is worried.
- Член од
- 5 септември 2007
- Мислења
- 3.848
- Поени од реакции
- 960
И кое е наровучението/заклучокот на Ошо? Да го исклучиме мозокот затоа што тој лошо ја интерпретира реалноста?