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The child is very, very unsupported. He looks around, he looks into your eyes. Your eyes function like a
mirror and he sees his face there and what you are saying. A child can become beautiful, can become ugly,
can become a saint, can become a criminal. It depends on the conditioning, on how you condition him.
But whether he becomes a saint or a sinner does not matter -- as far as the misery is concerned he will be
miserable either way. Whether he becomes stupid or intelligent does not matter. Remember this point.
Conditioning brings misery. You can condition him to be a saint and he will become a saint, but he will
remain miserable.
You can go and see your so-called saints. You will not find more miserable people anywhere else.
Sometimes sinners may be joyous, but never saints. They are such great saints -- how can they laugh, how
can they enjoy, how can they dance, how can they sing? How can they be so ordinary and human? They are
superhuman and they remain frozen in that super-humanity. It is nothing but pure ego.
Zen: The Path of Paradox
mirror and he sees his face there and what you are saying. A child can become beautiful, can become ugly,
can become a saint, can become a criminal. It depends on the conditioning, on how you condition him.
But whether he becomes a saint or a sinner does not matter -- as far as the misery is concerned he will be
miserable either way. Whether he becomes stupid or intelligent does not matter. Remember this point.
Conditioning brings misery. You can condition him to be a saint and he will become a saint, but he will
remain miserable.
You can go and see your so-called saints. You will not find more miserable people anywhere else.
Sometimes sinners may be joyous, but never saints. They are such great saints -- how can they laugh, how
can they enjoy, how can they dance, how can they sing? How can they be so ordinary and human? They are
superhuman and they remain frozen in that super-humanity. It is nothing but pure ego.
Zen: The Path of Paradox
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There are three layers of your being: the body, the mind. and the self. And beyond the three is your no-self. And so there are three possibilities for the ego to assert itself.
If ego asserts itself on the layer of body – a beautiful and strong body, ’I have the most handsome body, the most powerful body.’ She wants to be a beauty queen, or he wants to be a Mr Universe. If the ego asserts itself on the layer of the body , one becomes animalistic. All your wrestlers, great wrestlers, are nothing but too attached to their animal part, so that when you see the body of a Mr Universe, you can feel it; he looks more like an animal than like a human being. Certainly he is very strong physically. His ego is asserting itself on that path. He will be very aggressive, brutal, violent. He will be very sexual, indulgent, unconscious. He will move like a robot, like a machine. He will not have any consciousness whatsoever. His whole life will be: Eat, drink and be merry. He will live on the very superficial layer of his life. Civilisations are against it, cultures are against it. They say ’This is not good. Drop this ego.’ They go on teaching to every child who is born on this earth ’Drop this ego. Become non-aggressive, become non-violent. Don’t be brutal, have kindness, sympathy.’ Then ego starts asserting itself on another level, the level of the mind.
At the mind level it becomes knowledge, knowledgeability, money. Money is a higher thing than sexuality, so those people who become interested in money forget all about sex; they are no more interested in sex. Their whole sexuality becomes money-oriented... or power, politics, ambition. Those people who become politicians, become ambitious for power; they can also sacrifice sex, indulgence – everything they can sacrifice.
On the first layer they can sacrifice, because on the second layer they need all the energy available. So they repress on the first layer and the ego asserts itself on the second layer. All cultures depend on this. In fact, all cultures use it as a technique: Repress the child’s ego on the first layer and he will become egoistic on the second layer. Then he will start hankering for gold medals in the university, to become more knowledgeable, to come first in the university. He will start becoming more aggressive mentally than physically. You can see it in the universities. All the students who are in sports are very poor as far as their mind development is concerned, and all the students whose minds are very clever and cunning are poor physically. The sportsman lives on the first layer and the scholar on the second layer. The scholar will have a delicate body, will wear glasses from the very beginning; he will be old even while he is young. On the physical level his ego has disappeared. He cannot fight, but he can argue. His fight now asserts itself as argument. He can discuss and debate; he has found a finer instrument to conquer and be aggressive with. He will not become a wrestler, he will become a lawyer. He will live through argument, through his knowledge – say anything against his knowledge and he is ready to fight. Of course his fight will be of words, verbal. If you fight with the body he will call it brutal, animalistic, primitive; if you fight on the level of words and language and logic, he will say that this is ’civilised fight’... but the same ego is asserting itself on the second layer.
Religions depend on repressing this second layer of ego. Civilisation depends on the first repression: repress the ego on the body level so that it asserts itself on the mind level. Religions depend on repressing on the second level so that the ego starts asserting itself on the third level, the level of the self. So religions say: Knowledge is nothing, politics is nothing, money is nothing, to become a great artist is nothing, to become a great novelist, writer, is nothing.
Religions go on saying ’Drop the ego. Be egoless’, but in a subtle way, somehow, they go on protecting it too. They say ’If you drop the ego, you will become spiritual. If you drop the ego you will be the first in the kingdom of God. If you drop the ego you will be the chosen one. If you drop the ego great is going to be the pay-off in the other world – the heaven, the paradise, MOKSHA.’ On the one hand they say ’Drop the ego’, on the other hand they persuade you, they bribe you, they buttress your greed. They say ’You will be special. You will be extraordinary.’ On the one hand they say ’Drop the ego’, on the other hand they go on strengthening the same ego under different names. ’You will become a miracle man. You will have SIDDHIs – you will have spiritual powers, occult forces. You will be able to manipulate the existence more deeply. You will become telepathic. You will be able to read others’ minds. You will be clairvoyant. This and that... all the SIDDHIS of the yogis – all the miraculous powers of Yoga.... But again you are decorated, again you become very, very strong. The ego asserts itself on the third layer.
Tao says: The ego has to disappear from all the layers. One has to understand it so totally that it cannot find another way for its existence, so that it cannot find another shelter in your being. When ego disappears completely and there is no way for it to assert itself then YOU ARE NOT in one sense and YOU ARE, for the first time, in another sense. You are not as an individual any more, you are the whole.
This is the meaning of a holy man in Taoism: A holy man is one who is not. Very paradoxical. And remember, Tao does not teach you to become humble. If you become humble the ego will continue – it will become the ego of the humble person, it will hide behind humbleness. So a practised humbleness, a cultivated humbleness, is not going to help. Then what is to be done?
If you ask Lieh Tzu, Chuang Tzu or Lao Tzu, they will say that nothing has to be done because whatsoever you do will create the ego; ego is created out of doing. Nothing is to be done. One has just to see the ways of the ego, the subtle ways of the ego, the cunning ways of the ego; one has to see them so totally.... One has to follow the ego into one’s being from body to mind, from mind to self, one has to seek and see all the hideouts. Once you have known all the possibilities of ego-assertion, in that very understanding, in that very awareness, ego disappears.
When ego disappears your body is different, your mind is different, your self is different. When ego disappears, many things happen. First, now you are no more identified with your body. You are in the body, but you are not the body. When the ego disappears you are no more identified with the mind. You use the mind, the mind becomes an instrument – a beautiful instrument – but you are not identified with the mind either. When the ego disappears you use the self. but you are not identified with self either. You remain an individual: you walk and live like an individual. but continuously aware that the wave is just an appearance, the reality is the ocean; that ’I am just a wave. God is the ocean, Tao is the ocean.
If ego asserts itself on the layer of body – a beautiful and strong body, ’I have the most handsome body, the most powerful body.’ She wants to be a beauty queen, or he wants to be a Mr Universe. If the ego asserts itself on the layer of the body , one becomes animalistic. All your wrestlers, great wrestlers, are nothing but too attached to their animal part, so that when you see the body of a Mr Universe, you can feel it; he looks more like an animal than like a human being. Certainly he is very strong physically. His ego is asserting itself on that path. He will be very aggressive, brutal, violent. He will be very sexual, indulgent, unconscious. He will move like a robot, like a machine. He will not have any consciousness whatsoever. His whole life will be: Eat, drink and be merry. He will live on the very superficial layer of his life. Civilisations are against it, cultures are against it. They say ’This is not good. Drop this ego.’ They go on teaching to every child who is born on this earth ’Drop this ego. Become non-aggressive, become non-violent. Don’t be brutal, have kindness, sympathy.’ Then ego starts asserting itself on another level, the level of the mind.
At the mind level it becomes knowledge, knowledgeability, money. Money is a higher thing than sexuality, so those people who become interested in money forget all about sex; they are no more interested in sex. Their whole sexuality becomes money-oriented... or power, politics, ambition. Those people who become politicians, become ambitious for power; they can also sacrifice sex, indulgence – everything they can sacrifice.
On the first layer they can sacrifice, because on the second layer they need all the energy available. So they repress on the first layer and the ego asserts itself on the second layer. All cultures depend on this. In fact, all cultures use it as a technique: Repress the child’s ego on the first layer and he will become egoistic on the second layer. Then he will start hankering for gold medals in the university, to become more knowledgeable, to come first in the university. He will start becoming more aggressive mentally than physically. You can see it in the universities. All the students who are in sports are very poor as far as their mind development is concerned, and all the students whose minds are very clever and cunning are poor physically. The sportsman lives on the first layer and the scholar on the second layer. The scholar will have a delicate body, will wear glasses from the very beginning; he will be old even while he is young. On the physical level his ego has disappeared. He cannot fight, but he can argue. His fight now asserts itself as argument. He can discuss and debate; he has found a finer instrument to conquer and be aggressive with. He will not become a wrestler, he will become a lawyer. He will live through argument, through his knowledge – say anything against his knowledge and he is ready to fight. Of course his fight will be of words, verbal. If you fight with the body he will call it brutal, animalistic, primitive; if you fight on the level of words and language and logic, he will say that this is ’civilised fight’... but the same ego is asserting itself on the second layer.
Religions depend on repressing this second layer of ego. Civilisation depends on the first repression: repress the ego on the body level so that it asserts itself on the mind level. Religions depend on repressing on the second level so that the ego starts asserting itself on the third level, the level of the self. So religions say: Knowledge is nothing, politics is nothing, money is nothing, to become a great artist is nothing, to become a great novelist, writer, is nothing.
Religions go on saying ’Drop the ego. Be egoless’, but in a subtle way, somehow, they go on protecting it too. They say ’If you drop the ego, you will become spiritual. If you drop the ego you will be the first in the kingdom of God. If you drop the ego you will be the chosen one. If you drop the ego great is going to be the pay-off in the other world – the heaven, the paradise, MOKSHA.’ On the one hand they say ’Drop the ego’, on the other hand they persuade you, they bribe you, they buttress your greed. They say ’You will be special. You will be extraordinary.’ On the one hand they say ’Drop the ego’, on the other hand they go on strengthening the same ego under different names. ’You will become a miracle man. You will have SIDDHIs – you will have spiritual powers, occult forces. You will be able to manipulate the existence more deeply. You will become telepathic. You will be able to read others’ minds. You will be clairvoyant. This and that... all the SIDDHIS of the yogis – all the miraculous powers of Yoga.... But again you are decorated, again you become very, very strong. The ego asserts itself on the third layer.
Tao says: The ego has to disappear from all the layers. One has to understand it so totally that it cannot find another way for its existence, so that it cannot find another shelter in your being. When ego disappears completely and there is no way for it to assert itself then YOU ARE NOT in one sense and YOU ARE, for the first time, in another sense. You are not as an individual any more, you are the whole.
This is the meaning of a holy man in Taoism: A holy man is one who is not. Very paradoxical. And remember, Tao does not teach you to become humble. If you become humble the ego will continue – it will become the ego of the humble person, it will hide behind humbleness. So a practised humbleness, a cultivated humbleness, is not going to help. Then what is to be done?
If you ask Lieh Tzu, Chuang Tzu or Lao Tzu, they will say that nothing has to be done because whatsoever you do will create the ego; ego is created out of doing. Nothing is to be done. One has just to see the ways of the ego, the subtle ways of the ego, the cunning ways of the ego; one has to see them so totally.... One has to follow the ego into one’s being from body to mind, from mind to self, one has to seek and see all the hideouts. Once you have known all the possibilities of ego-assertion, in that very understanding, in that very awareness, ego disappears.
When ego disappears your body is different, your mind is different, your self is different. When ego disappears, many things happen. First, now you are no more identified with your body. You are in the body, but you are not the body. When the ego disappears you are no more identified with the mind. You use the mind, the mind becomes an instrument – a beautiful instrument – but you are not identified with the mind either. When the ego disappears you use the self. but you are not identified with self either. You remain an individual: you walk and live like an individual. but continuously aware that the wave is just an appearance, the reality is the ocean; that ’I am just a wave. God is the ocean, Tao is the ocean.
Gurdjieff
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Osho: "Nemoguće je sebe u potpunosti izložiti pred nekim. Radi toga mi na Istoku nismo nikada razvili nešto poput psihoanalize, mi smo razvili meditaciju. To je izlaganje sebe pred samim sobom. To je jedina mogućnost da čovjek može biti totalno pošten i to je jedina mogućnost da se čovjek može razviti do najviše realnosti života."
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"Intellect is thinking. And consciousness is discovered in a state of no-thinking, so — utter silence, that not even a single thought moves as a disturbance. In that silence you discover your very being — it is as vast as the sky. And to know it is really to know something worthwhile;
otherwise all your knowledge is garbage. It may be useful, utilitarian,
but it is not going to help you transform your being.It cannot bring you to a fulfillment, to contentment, to enlightenment,to a point where you can say, "I have come home."
otherwise all your knowledge is garbage. It may be useful, utilitarian,
but it is not going to help you transform your being.It cannot bring you to a fulfillment, to contentment, to enlightenment,to a point where you can say, "I have come home."
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"Truth cannot be transferred, truth cannot be handed over to you by
somebody else, because it is not a commodity. It is not a thing, it is an experience."
--- надополнето ---
Enlightenment, the very idea of enlightenment, is the greatest joke there is. It is a joke because it is trying to get something that is already there. It is trying to reach somewhere where you are already. It is trying to get rid of something that is not there at all. It is an effort that is ridiculous.
You are enlightened from the very beginning. Enlightenment is your nature. Enlightenment is not something that has to be achieved. It is not a goal. It is your source. It is your very energy.
somebody else, because it is not a commodity. It is not a thing, it is an experience."
--- надополнето ---
Enlightenment, the very idea of enlightenment, is the greatest joke there is. It is a joke because it is trying to get something that is already there. It is trying to reach somewhere where you are already. It is trying to get rid of something that is not there at all. It is an effort that is ridiculous.
You are enlightened from the very beginning. Enlightenment is your nature. Enlightenment is not something that has to be achieved. It is not a goal. It is your source. It is your very energy.
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Не следам никого, само барам луѓе што се слични на мене.
И друга работа Ошо ти е скратена верзија на бифшата александриската библиотека
така да и од тој аспект е многу полезно.Инаку Ошо нема никакво учење(доктрина, правец и сл.).
Се се сведува на лично искуство преку само една работа а тоа е медитација.
"Truth cannot be transferred, truth cannot be handed over to you by
somebody else, because it is not a commodity. It is not a thing, it is an experience."
Нема никаква филозофија исто така.
--- надополнето ---
Таман работа ако може да ме разбереHe he he, siguren sum deka ke go razberes Dmt...
Да го разбереш Бог е невозможно.
Во светот на трансценденталноста не важи А+А=2А и слични равенства.
Аристотеловата логика(или како и да се вика..... немам прочитано од него баш многу) не важи во светот над умот.
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Ошо е еден од главните промотори на Њу Ејџот (New Age movement). Тој, како и илјадници други гуруа, сака да си се огради од верите и религиите и затоа не го нарекува своето учење вера или религија, но факт е дека иако тој нема институциализирана религија и храм, тој сепак има духовни следбеници кои го прифатиле и го следат неговото учење. Познавам една девојка од сектата Комаја на која Ошо и е омилениот учител и која случајно има исти верувања како него. Интересно е тоа што пред да почне да го чита, таа немала такви верувања.
Тогаш зошто луѓето го читаат Ошо? Зошто само не медитираат и така да ги дознаваат вистините и да се просвлетлуваат?
Сепак Ошо успешно ја трасферирал вистината што тој на верува во илјадници други луѓе кои денес имаат исти погледни (да не речам верувања) како и него. Колку контрадикторно на оваа негова изјава.
Патем, ако вистината не може да биде пренесена од еден човек на друг, тогаш зошто ги праќаме децата на училиште? Зошто воопшто постојат образовни институции, професори и сл?
Зарем детето не ги прима своите први вистини од родителите?
Ако на google напишеш "philosophy of osho" ќе ти даде 4620 веб страни што ја содржат оваа фраза.
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Ошо се знае што кажал за системите на верување, да не развлекуваме многу.
Тоа што некој отишол и ништо не "научил" е друга работа.
Во одсуство на знаење секогаш е тука верувањето.
Ошо има две три книги и тие се со методи на медитација, во стилот на:
http://www.4shared.com/document/TgIQw11t/Osho_-_The_Book_of_Secrets.html
Се друго се говори снимени во ашрамите каде што зборувал.
Зошто го читаат другите незнам, а за мене јас ти кажав.
Просветлување е комплетно исчезнување на егото.
Сите вистини се наогаат длабоко во нас, се друго е илузија.
Кога станува збор за зборот вистина(знаење) не е лошо да прочиташ нешто од:
http://www.energyenhancement.org/PATANJALI YOGA SUTRAS.htm
RIGHT KNOWLEDGE HAS THREE SOURCES: DIRECT COGNITION, INFERENCE AND THE WORDS OF THE AWAKENED ONES.
WRONG KNOWLEDGE IS A FALSE CONCEPTION NOT CORRESPONDING TO THE THING AS IT IS.
AN IMAGE CONJURED UP BY WORDS WITHOUT ANY SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT IS VIKALPA -- IMAGINATION.
THE MODIFICATION OF THE MIND WHICH IS BASED ON THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONTENT IN IT IS SLEEP.
MEMORY IS THE CALLING UP OF PAST EXPERIENCES.
И остај други што кажуваат за Ошо земи прочитај си сам па ке правиме муабет.
А за Њу Ејџот остај, нема врска Ошо.
Gurdjieff
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Zosto lugeto go citaat OSHO??
Mozebi zatoa sto ja zbortuva vistinata. Taa tesko moze da se prenese megutoa OSHO e eden od retkite ljuge sto toa go pravi na ednostaven nacin razbirliv za site. Inace, ima traeno 4 godini (nitu eden zbor) se dodeka ne sednal do drug star guru koj trael cel zivot, i istiot mu rekol deka toj e mlad i deka trebe vistinata da ja prenese.
Drugo, (okolu sektite) ako si go cital ke razberes deka toj samiot e protiv toa, deka e protiv stvaranje na bilo kakva hierarhija vo bilo koja religija, poradi toa gi kritikuva site religii. Lugeto kaj nego sami odele , toj nikogo ne zadrzal kaj sebe, Duri i profesori po psihologija odele kaj nego vo potraga na "mir vo mozokot" i kontrola na istiot,nasata zapadna filozofija e daleku od takvi resenija.