АЛБАНЦИ = ИЛИРИ ?

[Misirkov]

Не флодирај, ти покажав аргументи на почетокот, врати се и прочитај.

Ако имаш контра, да видиме. Се’ друго се фрустрации (твои) - и бегање од тема.

 

[rymz]

Не флодирај, ти покажав аргументи на почетокот, врати се и прочитај.

Ако имаш контра, да видиме. Се’ друго се фрустрации (твои) - и бегање од тема.

Zver!!
Ti lici da glumish tiranin.

Ti si postiral "argumenti". Ete i Pikaso pokaza argumenti. Zivi argumenti. Argumenti koi imaat usta i zboruvaat. Ne ti odgovara, pa ne prifakjash?

 

[Vlora]

Ептен јаки аргументи. Во иднина гледај постирај слични такви, ама што повеќе...:jaj:

Mislam deka ti ne razbra druze. Toa e intervju, Alessandro Castriota Scanderbeg. Tie se cuvstvuvaat albanci, tie ne znaat i nikogas ne cule za makedonci i za makedonski jazik.

ZOSTO site sto izbegaa vo Italija, Grcija i Hrvatska, posle smrta na Gjergj Kastrioti se albanci, megu niv i zenata i sinot na Skenderbeg?

ZOSTO i don den denes se zboruva albanskiot jazik od strana na Arbereshite?

KAZI kade se tie makedonci sto zboruvaat makedonski i koi do den denes ziveat vo Italija?

AKO Skendebeg bil makedonec, zosto bas negovata familija emigrirase so ALBANCI?

Ve molam, odgovorete na prasanjava!

Skendebeg e Albanec, toa site go znaat. Pa nema nisto loso, ako nekoi vikaat deka e makedonec, pa nekoj grk, pa nekoi srbin, pa sto znam jas.

Jas vi dadov mnogu fakti vo prethodnite postovi, zaedno so Pikaso i Rymz.
A nekoj budalla mi kazuva deka bil nekoj tamu i se slikal so kece! Ma nemoj. Arbereshite se poznati vo Italija i site znaat od kaj se dojdeni i sto e najvazno KOGA se dojdeni.

Gledam deka ne ve interesiraat faktite, a evidentno e deka negovata familija do den denes se cuvstuvaat kako albanci.

Piana degli Albanesi is officially bilingual, as the official town documents are written in both Arbërisht and Italian and its citizens are trilingual, proficient in both languages as well as the local Sicilian dialect. However, the local dialect of Arbërisht is undergoing attrition with children learning Arbërisht as their first language and being more confident using Arbërisht, then by school leaving age are more comfortable with Italian and are able to express a wider range of concepts in Italian. This attrition may be due to the lack of formal education in Arbërisht and the lack of Albanian media.

Ieri, dopo essere tornato dalla mia prima visita in Albania, parlavamo del Paese delle Aquile con mia sorella ed ella non era molto entusiasta perchè erano albanesi coloro che avevano rubato l'auto di un suo amico. Beh, io le ho risposto che anche gl'italiani sono famosi per gli omicidi, i furti, la mafia, i politici corrotti, ecc.; lei mi ha detto sarcasticamente: "Che fai ora, Scanderbeg, ti difendi i tuoi albanesi?". Io ho riso perchè anche lei, nonostante tutto, è anche una Scanderbeg!

Yesterday, after returning from my first visit to Albania, the country talking about the Eagles with my sister and she was not very enthusiastic because they were Albanians who had stolen the car of a friend. Well, I have answered that italians are famous for the murders, thefts, the Mafia, corrupt politicians and so on.; She told me sarcastically: "What are you doing now, Scanderbeg, you defend your Albanians?" . I have rice because you too, despite everything, is also a Scanderbeg!

 

[Chris]

Zarem e koincidencija sto postoi Albanoi tribe i vo Azerbejdzan?:uvo::uvo: Cista slucajnost ili nesto neocekuvano?

Prasanjata koi treba da si gi postavime se:
Dali se slucija nekakvi preselbi za vreme na Turskoto vladeenje.
Imeto Albanoi posleden pat se spomnuva i vo Azerbejdzan i vo centralna Albanijam,pak ke recam zosto e ova?
Zosto Albancite zboruvaat na sh,ch,itn?Dali e toa pricinata kojasto Turcite gi narekle Albanci,i voedno samite tie se narekuvaat Albanci?Ovaa odlika ja ima samo vo Osetija,i vo Cecenija...
I golem broj na drugi prasanja...

The first evidence of tribal alliances date to the first millenium BC, when such peoples as the Mannaians, the Medes, the Cadusiis, the Albanoi, and the Caspians appeared. In the 7th century BC, the state of Media appeared in what now is southern Azerbaijan, growing to cover large portions of the Near East.

 

[Македонцки]

Ако завршивте со мерење на кој му е поголем....

1. Гледам набројани се доста племиња мегу кој и далматинците??? Исто така распространетоста на Илирите не заврпува само со далмација туку опфака делови и од босна приморска хрватска и црна гора.???

2. Пред 16 век има ли нешто било што што би дало некаков континуитет на постираните тези...зошто се сменило името во шкипери???

3. По која логика се дава полна легитимност на едно од 30 племиња кое слично звучи додека поимот земјата и народот на кавкаска Албанија тотално се занемарува??? Двојни аршини??? Имате ли контакт сио тие таму???

Што е на албански јазик Албанија???? 3а шкиперија знам.

The name "Albania" is Greek and Latin, and denotes "mountainous land";[1] the contemporaneous native name for the country is unknown.[4]

 

[Chris]

I drugo prasanje sto najmnogu me interesira deka spored Vikipedija:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis
Albanopolis was a city in ancient Illyria, the capital of the Albanoi, an Illyrian tribe. The editors of the Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World tentatively locate Albanopolis at the modern-day village of Zgërdhesh, near Kruja, Albania.[1] It is not certain if the ancient city corresponds with later mentions of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanopolis_(Caucasus)

The modern name of the district is Azerbaijan, called in New Testament times Albanopolis, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.

Zosto ova ime Albanopolis,Albani,Albanoi se pojavuva vo dve razlicni lokacii?Dali stanuva zbor za isti luge?

 

[Македонцки]

Се повикувате на ПТОЛОМЕЈ, но Птоломеј говори за:

Strabo, Ptolemy and Pliny all write that at this time, the border between Albania and the Kingdom of Greater Armenia was the river Kura

 

[Vlora]

ако завршивте со мерење на кој му е поголем....

1.гледам набројани се доста племиња мегу кој и далматинците??? исто така распространетоста на Илирите не заврпува само со далмација туку опфака делови и од босна приморска хрватска и црна гора.???

2.пред 16 век има ли нешто било што што би дало некаков континуитет на постираните тези...зошто се сменило името во шкипери???

3.по која логика се дава полна легитимност на едно од 30 племиња кое слично звучи додека поимот земјата и народот на кавкаска Албанија тотално се занемарува??? двојни аршини??? имате ли контакт сио тие таму???

што е на АЛбански Албанија???? за чкиперија знам

The name "Albania" is Greek and Latin, and denotes "mountainous land";[1] the contemporaneous native name for the country is unknown.[4]

A be druze, pa koj vika deka nie sme potomci na site ilirski pleminja. Kazi mi sto se znae za ilirite poveke. Samo malku jazikot. I istoricarite se povikuvaat na toa, slicnosti megu albanskiot i ilirskiot jazik.

A plus sto imalo pleme po ime ALBANI, ALBANOI. Ne me zezaj, ti postirav mnogu izvori, ali ti uporno kazuvas deka ne si slusnal za ALBANI, Ilirsko pleme.

Pa u 300, samiot zbor ILIR znaci na albanski SLOBODEN.

Pa, BARDYLIS, na albanski znaci Beliot

Bardh - Belo

Delme eng. Sheep, alb. Delme (gegski), Dele(toskski)

ren -- re
dard--dardhë mak. krusha
toka--tokë mak. Zemja
las--lesh mak. volna
mal--mal mak. Planina
vasa--vashë mak. devojce
ves--vesh mak. uvo
nat--natë mak. nok
ara--arrë mak. orev
frim--frymà (a na gegski e frima) mak.vozduh
Derbanoí, Anderva: IE *derv; cf. Eng tree, Albanian dru "wood"
nis-nis mak. pocnuva
roj--rroj mak. ziveam
leh--lind (lehem in Geg) mak. raga
venedi--vendi mak. mesto
hyll--yll mak. zvezda
bardi-bardhë mak. belo
fimia-fëmijë mak. dete
lissius-lisi mak. topolla (drvo)
bur, buris ‘man’ [Alb. burrë ‘manâ€] mak. mazhi
datan (datas) ‘place, settlement’ [Alb. datë ‘place, settlement]
drenis ‘deer’ [Alb. dre, dreni ‘deer’]
ermas ‘fierce, mad’ [Alb. jerm ‘furious, mad’]
mezéna ‘a horseman’ [Alb. mes, mezi ‘stallion’, Roman. (substrat) mînz
‘stallion’]
pupa ‘hill’ [Alb. pupë ‘hill’]
rera ‘stones, stony ground’ (from an earlier *lera) [Alb. lerë, -a ‘stones,
fallen stones’]
titha ‘light, radiance’ [morning drita(ë) ‘light, day’, Alb. ditë ‘day’] mak. den

Ulcisus mons, Ulcinium (city), Ulcisia castra; cf. E wolf, Alb ujk, Av vəhrkō, Farsi gurg, Skt vṛkas, OSl vlǔkǔ, Russ volcica, Lith vil~kas, L lupus, Gk lýkos


KE TE ZAMOLAM DA SVRTIS EDNA ILI DVE STRANI NAZAD I DA PROCITAS FAKTI, OD KNIGI I POSLE KE DISKUTIRAME, NEMAM NAMERA PAK DA GI POSTIRAM.

 

[Македонцки]

A plus sto imalo pleme po ime ALBANI, ALBANOI. Ne me zezaj, ti postirav mnogu izvori, ali ti uporno kazuvas deka ne si slusnal za ALBANI, Ilirsko pleme.

не дека не сум чул..ова конкретно ме интресира.

1.Птоломеј говори за кавкаска Албанија имате ли копано во тој дел како ние со хунзите пример, движења имало и ке има како со тие во италија пример.
2.Етимологијата на зборот Албанија чив е?? има ли значење на Албански како чкипери или илир пример и кој тоа во 16 век извршил преименуваше..и зошто.
3.знам дека постираше текстови, но има, ли некоја фотка за претходно постираното

Pa u 300, samiot zbor ILIR znaci na albanski SLOBODEN.

држи

 

[Vlora]

не дека не сум чул..ова конкретно ме интресира.

1.Птоломеј говори за кавкаска Албанија имате ли копано во тој дел како ние со хунзите пример, движења имало и ке има како со тие во италија пример.
2.Етимологијата на зборот Албанија чив е?? има ли значење на Албански како чкипери или илир пример и кој тоа во 16 век извршил преименуваше..и зошто.
3.знам дека постираше текстови, но има, ли некоја фотка за претходно постираното


држи

Caucasian Albania

Caucasian Albania, also known as Alvank in Armenian,Ardhan in Parthian, Arran in Persian,and Al-Ran in Arabic,was an ancient kingdom, which existed on the territory of present-day Republic of Azerbaijan and southern Dagestan. The name "Albania" is Latin, and denotes "mountainous land".The native name for the country is unknown.

Albania (Balkans)

Albania as the name of a region in the Balkans attested in Medieval Latin. It may derive from an ethnonym, Albanoi, the name of an Illyrian tribe. Some linguistspropose a derivation from the Proto-Indo-European root *albho-, which meant 'white'; referring perhaps to the snow-capped mountains of Albania. Others think the source may be a non-Indo-European root *alb-, meaning "hill, mountain", also present in alp "mountain pasture". Also a tribe called 'Alban' was known between ancient 'yllirian' tribes.

Arbon

The toponym Arbon (Άρβων or Αρβών) is mentioned by Polybius in the History of the World (second century BC). The people who lived there were called Arbonitai (Αρβωνίται). Biris relates the name Arbon with the name Arbanitai, and notes the similarities of Arbon with Arben and Arbana.

Albanoi

Albanoi first occurs in extant written sources in a work of Ptolemy dating back to 130 AD. "Albanopolis of the Albanoi" appears on a map of Ptolemy, a place located in what is now North central Albania.

The Albanoi were Illyrians, but whether the modern Albanians have an ethnic continuity with the Illyrian Albanoi is disputed (see Origin of Albanians), and the ethnonym may have been transferred to an unrelated people. The Albanoi are also named on a Roman-era family epitaph at Scupi, which has been identified with the Zgërdhesh hill-fort near Kruja in northern Albania.

Albania

According to the Albanian scholar Faïk bey Konitza, the term "Albania" did not displace "Illyria" completely until the end of the fourteenth century. The word "Alba" or "Arba" seems to be connected with the town Arba (modern Rab, Croatia), in prehistoric times inhabited by the Illyrian Liburnians, first mentioned in 360 BC.

Approximately a millennium after, some Byzantine writers use the words "Albanon" and "Arbanon" to indicate the region of Kruja. Under the Angiò, in the 13th century, the names "Albania" and "Albanenses" indicate the whole country and all the population, as it is demonstrated by the works of many ancient Albanian writers such as Budi, Blanco and Bogdano.

We first learn of the ancestors of the modern Albanians in their native land as the Arbanites of Arbanon in Anna Comnena's account (Alexiad, IV) of the troubles in that region caused in the reign of her father Alexius I Comneus (1081-1118) by the Normans. In the History written in 1079-1080, Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates was first to refer to the Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium.

Their descendants in Greece and Italy have been called in different ways with the passing of the years: Arbërór (in Arvanitic) or more commonly Arvanites (in Greek), Arbënuer, Arbënor, Arbëneshë, Arbëreshë.

Arbanon

Arbanon may have been the name of a district, rather than a particular place. The plain of the Mat has been suggested.

The mediaeval ethnonyms Arbanitai and Arbanios and the corresponding modern ethnonyms Arvanite, Arber, and Arbëreshë are considered by many linguists to have the same etymology as Albania, being derived from the stem Alb- by way of a rhotacism, Alb- → Arb-. Compare the rhotacism of alb- into arv- in the Neapolitan dialect of Italy.

Some linguists have argued that Arbanitai derives from the place, or river, called Arbanon, and Greek linguist Georgios Babiniotis states that Arvanite, Arber, and Arbëreshë do not derive from Albania or Albanoi.

However, the ethnonym Albanians may itself derive from Arbanon.

Shqipëria

There seems to be no doubt that the root Alb- or Arb- is earlier than Shqip-, from which the modern name of the state Shqipëria (Tosk: Shqipërija, Gheg: Shqipnija) derives, a name which appears only in the time of the Turkish invasions. The Albanian name of the country, Shqipëria, translates into English as "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag and emblem, and because of the large presence of these animals in the mountainous zones of Albania.

Biris notes that the terms Shqipëria and Shqiptarë probably weren't Turkish, since the Ottomans used the term Arnaut. Kollias writes: "I believe that the name Shqiptarë was first used by the greatest Albanian hero, Scanderbeg", and he also notes the connection with the eagle (shqipe or shqiponjë is Albanian for eagle) of Scanderbeg's emblem.

The Tale of the Eagle is an Albanian folk tale about the origin of the name Shqipetar.

Albania (Scotland)

Alba, a Gaelic name for Scotland, may be related to the Greek name of Britain Albion, Latinized as Albania during the High Medieval period, and later passed into Middle English as Albany. Some recent scholarship has however connected it with one of the early names of Ireland, "Fodla", which is taken to mean (land of the) "going down" (of the Sun), in contrast to Alba which means (land of the) "rising" (of the Sun). This is consistent with one of the ancient emblems of Scotland consisting of a rising sun crossing the horizon, a symbol laden with much significance.


Ne e tolku ednostavno toa sto vikate, Balkanska Albanija i Kafkazka Albanija.


Prosto ne mozham da razberam zosto se fakate za imeto Shqiptar. Toa e megu nas albancite, toa e poveke pokazuva osobina otkolku ime.

Vi kazav sto e fintata, nie sme Arbër a mestoto se vika Arbëria. Toa e so fenomenot rotacizam vo albanskiot jazik, Alb- → Arb

Arbën e na Gegski, a na kaj toskite Arbër. Isto rotacizam.

Albën, Albër i takanatamu

Kako e mozno, Arbëreshite zboruvaat albanski a ne se vikat Shqiptari?!

Mozno e, zosto do pred 16 vek, ne se vikale Shqiptari, a arbereshite ne go stignale toa, i zatoa do den denes go cuvaat vistinskoto ime.

Vo hrvatska se vikaat ARBANASI. Imam kontakti so site, i so Arbereshi, i so Arvanitasi i so Arbanasi. Baba mi e Arbanas, ali zboruva hrvatski, ne znae albanski. Tie se od Dubrovnik.

 

[Македонцки]

Ne e tolku ednostavno toa sto vikate, Balkanska Albanija i Kafkazka Albanija.

1.не, но идентично е..од чиста љубопитност би требало да воспоставите контакти...

2.За шкипер се факам зошто не ми е јасно како дошло од Албан до шкипер..со одлука на влада, декларација..непоимливо ми е...има ли конкретен датум кога се случило и зошто???
варијациите на Албан Арвнат Арнаут ми се чудни но донекаде разбирливи, но шкипер е дијаметрално спротивно

3.од досегашното Албан е планина но не на албански?

 

[Vlora]

Mal mak. Planina

Banus(gegski), Banor (toskski) - mak. Zitel

Banoj, Banoi - mak. Ziveam (vo smisla na mesto, prostor vo koj ziveam)

MAL + BANOJ = ALBAN, ALBANOI, ALBANOJ (toj sto zivee vo planina)

Mislam deka ova ima smisla a?

 

[Грмуш]

Точно така...А ке ми објасниш ли дали ке се лутите ако ве викаме илири наместо Албанци (врз основа на тоа што тврдите дека сте Албанци?)

 

[Македонцки]

Mal mak. Planina

Banus(gegski), Banor (toskski) - mak. Zitel

Banoj, Banoi - mak. Ziveam (vo smisla na mesto, prostor vo koj ziveam)

MAL + BANOJ = ALBAN, ALBANOI, ALBANOJ (toj sto zivee vo planina)

Mislam deka ova ima smisla a?

Држи.

Уште за шкипер...кој го променил и зошто?

 

[Vlora]

држи..

уште за шкипер..кој го променил и зошто

Eve ti be brat. Bese pogore, ali mora pak da postiram

There seems to be no doubt that the root Alb- or Arb- is earlier than Shqip-, from which the modern name of the state Shqipëria (Tosk: Shqipërija, Gheg: Shqipnija) derives, a name which appears only in the time of the Turkish invasions. The Albanian name of the country, Shqipëria, translates into English as "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag and emblem, and because of the large presence of these animals in the mountainous zones of Albania.

Biris notes that the terms Shqipëria and Shqiptarë probably weren't Turkish, since the Ottomans used the term Arnaut. Kollias writes: "I believe that the name Shqiptarë was first used by the greatest Albanian hero, Scanderbeg", and he also notes the connection with the eagle (shqipe or shqiponjë is Albanian for eagle) of Scanderbeg's emblem.

Na primer megu sebe nie albancite, potocno mazite, koga se pozdravuvame vikame,There seems to be no doubt that the root Alb- or Arb- is earlier than Shqip-, from which the modern name of the state Shqipëria (Tosk: Shqipërija, Gheg: Shqipnija) derives, a name which appears only in the time of the Turkish invasions. The Albanian name of the country, Shqipëria, translates into English as "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag and emblem, and because of the large presence of these animals in the mountainous zones of Albania.

Biris notes that the terms Shqipëria and Shqiptarë probably weren't Turkish, since the Ottomans used the term Arnaut. Kollias writes: "I believe that the name Shqiptarë was first used by the greatest Albanian hero, Scanderbeg", and he also notes the connection with the eagle (shqipe or shqiponjë is Albanian for eagle) of Scanderbeg's emblem


Imeto SHQIPTAR se pojavuva posle smrta na Skenderbeg, koga turcite vleguvat vo Albanija i pravat masakr vrz albancite.

Poteknuva od Orelot, kako simbol na Albancite, isto taka prisuten i vo naseto zname.

SHQIPE, SHQIPONJA na makedonski znaci orel


SHQIP + TAR = SHQIPTAR

SHQIPERIA - Zemja na Oreli

TAR e nastavka za formiranje na zborovi sto znacat profesija

pr. ARSIM - znaci obrazovanie

ARSIMTAR - Toj sto obrazuva, nastavnik

Znaci najbanalno albancite po profesija se ORELI, ili simbolicno znacenjeto e SINOVI NA ORELOT.

Znaci SHQIPTAR e zborot so pocnale da se identifikuvaat albancite, potiknati od patriotizam, ljubov i gordost kon vremeto koga turcite ne im mozea nisto, vremeto na Skenderbeg.

Zborot SHqiptar ne go izmislil nikoj, toa e produkt na samiot albanski narod, nema dokument so koj se pravi transformacija od Arbër vo Shqiptar, bidejki e SAME SHIT, kako sakas, istiot narod.

Toj stanuva po seopfaten posle smestuvanjeto na turskata vlast vo prostorite kade ziveele albancite.

Mislam deka najdobro pokazuva faktot deka Arbereshite, Arvanitite ne se vikaat SHQIPTARI, zosto zborot shqiptar se pojavuva posle nivnata emigracija.

I faktot deka Turcite ne ne vikaat Shqiptari, tuku ARNAUTI, sto proizleguva od ARBER, ARBERESH, ARVANIT, ARBANAS. Vrti kolku sakas, toa ti e.

Na primer nie albancite megu sebe, potocno mashkite, se vikame megusebe SHQIPE.

Primer, koga se pozdravuvame:

TUNGJATJETA SHQIPE mak. Pozdrav Orelu.
KU JE SHQIPE? mak. KAJ SI ORELU?
CKA PO BON SHQIPE? Mak. STO PRAJS ORELU?

Ima i edna teorija deka poteknuva od zborot SHQIPTOJ, lat. ESCIPERE eng. SPELL. Za ova ne znam, ne mi e bas vistinska, taa pogore e najverojatna.

MISLAM DEKA SEGA SUM JASEN