Ваши омилени авиони (со слики)

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пак фа мислам дека е направен а ТУ609има и други ознаки по руските форуми како и да е неговиот развој започнал уште во советко време претпоставка е дека се 9 произведени брзи и со стелт карактеристики инаку пак-фа не е употребен во конфликт

а да и уште еден омолен авион


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држи многу рекорди а 30% од целокупниот арсенал употребен во ирак е од б-1
 
мене овој многу ми се свиѓа, не знам како да ставам слика, но еве го неговото име Su-34 еве и слика од него http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/6/7/1509763.jpg го споредував со Б-2 и забележав една голема разлика во вредноста на овие два авиони Su-34 e 36мил а Б-2 737мил, јас мислев дека се тука некаде но според цената Б-2 е далеку пред овој може да ми каже некој на кратко зошто Б-2 е толку поскап???
 
мене овој многу ми се свиѓа, не знам како да ставам слика, но еве го неговото име Su-34 еве и слика од него http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/6/7/1509763.jpg го споредував со Б-2 и забележав една голема разлика во вредноста на овие два авиони Su-34 e 36мил а Б-2 737мил, јас мислев дека се тука некаде но според цената Б-2 е далеку пред овој може да ми каже некој на кратко зошто Б-2 е толку поскап???

еве го твојот омилен авион

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иналки Б-2 чини 2 милијарди долари и неама основ да се споредува со ловец бидејки е стратегиски бомбардер со инкорпорирана најнова технологија материјалите користени се тајна но ги апсорбираат радарските бранови а и топлотниот одраз му е минимален и секако може да користи ЈДАМ тоа се погодоци 95%гарантирани од 16 бомби на пример 16погодуваат во целта,авионот е маестрално дело и баш поради железните завеси со противвоздушна одбрана од русите на САД им текна да направат авион кој нема да биде приметлив а ке нанесе огромна штета во срцевината на непријателот-тоа е Б-2:helou:
 
еве го твојот омилен авион

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иналки Б-2 чини 2 милијарди долари и неама основ да се споредува со ловец бидејки е стратегиски бомбардер со инкорпорирана најнова технологија материјалите користени се тајна но ги апсорбираат радарските бранови а и топлотниот одраз му е минимален и секако може да користи ЈДАМ тоа се погодоци 95%гарантирани од 16 бомби на пример 16погодуваат во целта,авионот е маестрално дело и баш поради железните завеси со противвоздушна одбрана од русите на САД им текна да направат авион кој нема да биде приметлив а ке нанесе огромна штета во срцевината на непријателот-тоа е Б-2:helou:

хухуху не сум знаел, на САД им текнало но Русите немаат ли нешто слично на Б-2 или некој поскап авион???
 
бате ладната војна заврши... шо и да имаат, нема да го презентираат јавно
 
хухуху не сум знаел, на САД им текнало но Русите немаат ли нешто слично на Б-2 или некој поскап авион???

па ту-60 е слично но со оглед дека започнал да се развива кога парната машина била движечка сила во русија не е баш стелт всушност само еден систем детектира стелт Арроу...

инаку русите го имаат ту-95 беар кој е од50сетите мислам а и ТУ-160-очигледна копија на Б1

бате ладната војна заврши... шо и да имаат, нема да го презентираат јавно


бате се знае многу додека русите се радуваат на присвоени хамери американците нивните антитенковски оружја ги тестираат на....руски тенкови:toe:
 
бате се знае многу додека русите се радуваат на присвоени хамери американците нивните антитенковски оружја ги тестираат на....руски тенкови:toe:[/quote]

кутрите беспомошни руси...
 
Русите имале некој авион што бил невидлив за радар и за око,нечуен,пловел и под вода,се претварал во Сталин и можел да сотре милион војници за пет минути.

Ама го кријат уште...
 
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Доктрината на русите не е иста со американската,нивната е повеќе одбрамбено ориентирана и не за џабе имаат најдобра противоздушна одбрана(S-300,S-400,9K331-TOR M1...).Руските бомбаредери и нема потреба да навлегуваат на американска територија за да извршат напад па да бидат стелт.Што се однесува до стелтот и B-1,B-2 и тој паѓа во вода русите од поодамна имаат развиено радар како што е ирбис и најновиот аеса радар кој ги лоцира стелт авионите:)

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Sukhoi dancing:)
 
уффф се исплашивме руската САм одбрана се докажа....за нигде додека мим23 хањк и патриот погодуваа мети а рајтеоновиот ФТМ аеџис уништи сателит во вселената инаку израел ја има најдобрата ПВО Арроу 3 како и други кои по иновации се први...

India is preparing to conduct is third Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) tests. Test in February will be the first test after the Mumbai attack. Test will involve testing the indigenously developed with help from Israel “Swordfish" long-range tracking radar.

Earlier two tests were successfully held in November 2006 and December 2007 involving the use of Prithvi Air Defence (PAD Exo-Atmospheric) and the Advanced Air Defence (AAD Endo-Atmospheric) interceptor systems. It appears that the main purpose of the forthcoming tests is to validate the capabilities of the Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR).It is also predicted that target missile will be fired from a longer distance than before to assess the capability of radar to track the incoming missile from long distance. Target missile will be intercepted by the PAD Exo-atmospheric interceptor missile at an altitude over 50 to 80 km from earth. Missile defense version of its Prithvi medium-range ballistic missile was first tested in 2006.


и ирак имаше руски системи пааа

COALITION AIRCRAFT STRIKE IRAQI SAM BATTERIES


MACDILL AFB, FL - - At approximately 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time today, U.S. Navy F/A-18 "Hornet" and F-14 "Tomcat," aircraft enforcing the Southern No-Fly Zone used precision guided munitions to strike two Iraqi surface-to-air missile batteries near Abu Sukhayr and Al Numaniya in southern Iraq.

Over the course of the last month, Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and surface-to-air missile fire have increased in an attempt to shoot down coalition aircraft patrolling the No-Fly Zone. Iraqi military forces continue to position SAM and AAA batteries in areas that pose a direct threat to the safety of coalition aircrews.

The two sites were targeted today to further degrade Iraq's ability to jeopardize coalition pilots and aircraft enforcing United Nations' mandates.

To date, there have been more than 460 separate incidents of Iraqi surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery fire directed against coalition pilots since December 1998. Iraqi aircraft violated the Southern No-Fly Zone more than 150 times during the same period.

колку авиони соборија а панцир не е докажан ниту пак с-300 има разлика од теорија и пракса а лекот за с-300 го развија баш поради иран еве
Israel killer drones to counter Iran S-300?
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Harpy system -- an earlier version of Harop -- is designed to operate multiple munitions simultaneously over a targeted location. Once the suspected radar is acquired, Harpy homes in on the signal and detonates its warhead just above the target.

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If Russia goes through with the sale of its most advanced anti-aircraft missile system to Iran, Israel will use an electronic warfare device now under development to neutralize it and as a result present Russia as vulnerable to air infiltrations, a top defense official has told The Jerusalem Post.
We'll neutr

alize S-300 if they're sold to Iran'


The Russian system, called the S-300, is one of the most advanced multi-target anti-aircraft-missile systems in the world today and has a reported ability to track up to 100 targets simultaneously while engaging up to 12 at the same time. It has a range of about 200 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes of 27,000 meters.
While Russia has denied that it sold the system to Iran, Teheran claimed last year that Moscow was preparing to equip the Islamic Republic with S-300 systems. Iran already has TOR-M1 surface-to-air missiles from Russia.
Mixed media reports have emerged recently regarding the possible delivery of the system to Iran. Two weeks ago Reuters quoted a senior Israeli official who said the system would be delivered to Iran by the end of the year. In response, the Pentagon released a statement rejecting the assessment and saying that the US did not believe Iran would get it in 2008.
According to the Israeli defense official who spoke to the Post, "no one really knows yet if and when Iran will get the system."
A top IAF officer also said this week that Israel needed to do "everything possible" to prevent the S-300 from reaching the region.
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"Russia will have to think real hard before delivering this system to Iran, which is possibly on the brink of conflict with either Israel or the US, since if the system is delivered, an EW [electronic warfare] system will likely be developed to neutralize it, and if that happens it would be catastrophic not only for Iran but also for Russia," the defense official said.
Neutralization of one of the main components of Russian air defense would be a blow to Russian national security as well as to defense exports. "No country will want to buy the system if it is proven to be ineffective," the official said. "For these reasons, Russia may not deliver it in the end to Iran."
Also on Thursday, Defense Minister Ehud Barak told an Italian paper that a nuclear Iran would be "dangerous to world order."
Barak emphasized that all options for dealing with threat of a nuclear Teheran were "open and ready," and stressed the importance of "strengthening and accelerating economic sanctions against Iran."
"Either way, we need to keep every option open. If they provoke us, or they attack us, our army is prepared to attack and to succeed uncompromisingly," he asserted in an interview with the daily Corriere della Sera . "It's up to us to find the best way to get the best result with minimum damage," Barak added.
"Iran confirmed its message when it stood against the whole world: to deceive and to reject. Their aim is to obtain an atomic bomb," he continued.
The defense minister also spoke of the results of the Second Lebanon War, telling the Italian paper, "Two years ago, we saw the price that's paid for a lack of an experienced leadership. Nevertheless, today we're equipped with a good understanding to prevent this from happening again."
He added that UN Security Council Resolution 1701 that brought an end to the war was inefficient since Hizbullah, Syria and Iran were doing what they wanted in Lebanon.
Jerusalem Post staff contributed to this report.
 
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raqi Air Defense - Introduction

Iraqi air defenses were redesigned after the Israeli raid on the Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. A network of radars, surface-to-air missiles (SAM) and antiaircraft artillery (AAA) was installed, primarily concentrated around strategic and industrial facilities in the Baghdad area. The national air defense operations center (ADOC) in downtown Baghdad controlled Iraq's air defenses. The ADOC maintained the overall air picture in Iraq and established priorities for air defense engagements. Subordinate to this facility were sector operations centers (SOC), each controlling a specific geographic area. The SOC and the ADOC were connected by the French-built Kari command and control system. This modern, computerized system linked the diverse inventory of Soviet and Western radar and air defense weaponry. It provided a redundant C 2 capability.
The Iraqi air force played little role in the 1991 Gulf War. Saddam Hussein evidently believed that the coalition could not sustain its air effort beyond four or five days, and then the Iraqis could come out of their shelters and fight.
Consequently, the early attainment of air supremacy enabled allied forces to isolate the battlefield by interdicting enemy supply lines and degrading command and control links. Air supremacy also allowed coalition forces to conduct cross-border reconnaissance and aggressive deception and harassment operations with virtual impunity. The Coalition air campaign drastically wore down the ability and the will of the Iraqi Army to fight. Iraqi ground forces were so devastated and demoralized by the time the ground war started that they lacked the conviction to fight for their own soil, much less Kuwait.
On September 3, 1996, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein urged his air defense forces to ignore both the southern and northern no-fly zones and attack "any air target of the aggressors." This threat was not limited specifically to the aircraft of the U.S. military and the coalition forces. The threat could also apply to any civilian aircraft that might attempt to enter the area.
Even after the 1991 Gulf War, the Iraqi military still possesses a wide range of sophisticated weapons that potentially could be used to attack civil aviation aircraft overflying Iraq at cruising altitudes. These weapons include Russian- and French-made fighter and attack aircraft armed with cannons and air-to-air missiles, as well as Russian surface-to-air missile systems. The partially rebuilt integrated air defense command and control system combined early warning radars and visual observers with the sophisticated weapons.
Organization of Strategic Air Defense

Iraq's national integrated air defense system (IADS) was composed of a national air defense operations center (ADOC) in Baghdad and the following four air defense sectors:

  • The 1st Air Defense Sector, also known as the Central Air Defense Sector, had a Sector Operations Center (SOC) at Taji and Intercept Operations Centers (IOCs) at Taji, Al Taqqadum, Salman Pak, Al Kut, An Najaf, and An Nukhayb.
  • The 2d Air Defense Sector, also known as the Western Air Defense Sector, had a SOC at H-3 Airfield, with IOCs at H-1 Airfield, H-3 Airfield, and Ar Rutbah.
  • The 3d Air Defense Sector, also known as the Southern Air Defense Sector, had a SOC at Talil Airfield, and its IOCs are at Talil, Al Amraah, As Salman, and Az Zubayr.
  • The 4th Air Defense Sector, also known as the Northern Air Defense Sector, had an SOC in Kirkuk, with IOCs in Kirkuk and Mosul.
The Baghdad ADOC maintained the overall air picture and establishes priorities for air defense engagements. The SOCs were subordinate to the ADOC and control air defense operations in a specific geographic area. The SOCs directed the operations of Iraq's interceptor aircraft, groundbased air defense weapons systems, surveillance systems, and command, control, and communications assets. The IOCs provided local air defense control.
Iraq uses the KARI IADS, a French-supplied command, control, and communications system completed in 1986-1987. (KARI is Iraq spelled backwards in French.) KARI is a mix of technologies from different nations with uncertain integration. KARI was rapidly overwhelmed by Coalition air operations during the 1990-91 Gulf War for several reasons. First, KARI was very hierarchical, so that when the SOCs or ADOC were destroyed, the IOCs were unable to operate effectively. Also, much of the communications, data processing, and software for the integrated air defenses (IADs) were not up to the task of successfully defeating a modern, Western air campaign.
Some upgrades to KARI occurred since then despite sanctions, most notably the use of Chinese fiber optic cables to improve connectivity between various air defense nodes. These improvements prompted the U.S. to conduct strike operations against Iraq's air defense system in February 2001.
Each air defense sector was assigned several warning and control battalions that were responsible for operating visual observer posts and air surveillance radars. For example, the 1st Air Defense Sector controled 51st and 52d Warning and Control Regiments, and possibly a third regiment as well. The 3d Air Defense Sector controled the 71st and 72d Warning and Control Regiments, along with possibly a third. (NOTE: The 71st Warning and Control Regiment was reportedly located near An Nasiriyah and the SOC at Talil, while the 72d WCR was located near Al Amarah.) The 4th Air Defense Sector controled the 81st and 82d Warning and Control Regiments. (NOTE: The 81st WCR was reportedly located near Kirkuk, while the 72d WCR was near Mosul.) Reports from these battalion-sized units were sent up the chain to the IOC, then to the SOC, then to the ADOC to maintain Iraqi awareness of the air situation.
Each air defense sector controled one or more SAM brigades that consisted of a varied number of independent SA-2 and SA-3 batteries. Identified SAM brigades included the 145th SAM Brigade (subordinate to the 1st Air Defense Sector), the 146th SAM Brigade, the 147th SAM Brigade, and the 195th SAM Brigade (subordinate to the 4th Air Defense Sector). Other air defense assets assigned to the Air Defense Sectors included antiaircraft artillery (AAA) battalions, Roland SAM units, and electronic countermeasures units.
Iraq concentrated its national air defense coverage around Baghdad and key military and strategic targets. Many of Iraq's air defense weapons were destroyed in the Gulf War and during consequent U.S. strikes enforcing the no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq. Iraq still maintained a fair number of air defense weapons systems despite these losses. Iraq possessed the SA-2/3/6/7/8/9/13/14/16, I-Hawk, and ROLAND I/II SAMs. Protection of strategic targets had priority over the protection of ground forces, with the exception of the Republican Guard division, who received SA-6 protection during the Iraqi invasion in 1990. Therefore, SA-6s and ROLANDs were deployed in defense of strategic installations in addition to units in the field.
Corps Air Defense

Corps air defense was the responsibility of the corps air defense command. It may have one, 57-mm, radar-guided, air defense artillery battalion, probably for the protection of corps headquarters and logistics sites. It could also take control of and re-allocate air defense assets of subordinate divisions.
The primary means of air defense support for the ground forces came from the air defense artillery weapons organic to the division, corps, and GHQ. Air defense artillery equipment had been obtained from numerous sources, primarily the Soviet Union and China. In tactical configurations, these weapons filled several roles. The 57-mm S-60, normally deployed in battalions of 36 guns, served consistently in defense of divisional headquarters and field artillery assets. The 37-mm M1939, the ZSU-23-4, and the lighter air defense artillery weapons often deployed close to frontline elements, covering troops as well as command elements. This general mix gave the Iraqis tremendous range and volume of firepower. Unlike the Soviets, the Iraqis did not employ SAMs well forward in the offense. Air defense of the forces was primarily provided by air defense artillery assets. In the past, SAMs moved forward only after initial objectives have been secured.
Division Air Defense

Iraqi divisions often had non-standard air defense organizations probably due to the wide variety of AAA and SAM systems in the Iraqi inventory, the subordination and type of division, and task-oriented division missions.
Each division had at least one organic air defense unit and possibly an air defense staff similar to a division artillery staff. Armored and mechanized divisions had SP antiaircraft guns, SA-9 SAMs, and one 37--mm antiaircraft artillery battalion with up to 54 guns. All divisions had an undetermined number of SA-7s.
The Iraqis applied modified Soviet employment doctrine for the SA-9 and SA-13, assigning up to a battery of SA-9s and ZSU-23/4s from the division air defense commands to each of the tank and mechanized brigades for the protection of headquarters assets.
The SA-7/9/14/16s were the only SAMs organic to army air defense units, although some ROLAND units may also be subordinated to the army. The SA-8 and SA-13 could also be available. In tactical configuration, the 57-mm S-60, 37-mm M1939, ZSU-23-4, and the lighter air defense artillery weapons often deployed close to frontline elements, covering troops, boundaries, gaps, and command elements. This general mix gave the Iraqis tremendous range and volume of firepower.



со овие системи и дури апгрејдувани да не собориш речиси ништо е РЕЗИЛ

Русите имале некој авион што бил невидлив за радар и за око,нечуен,пловел и под вода,се претварал во Сталин и можел да сотре милион војници за пет минути.

Ама го кријат уште...

ауу на ова мислиш


;ista fantazija navodno plazma odnosno joniziran gas ke naso;ele kon avionot i ke go napravel nevidliv....a ako plazmata ja sledat sateliti a i kako prvo ne e vozmo\no ova

или можеби мислеше на ова


ама монтажа е станува збор за ракетен мотор не млазен а и како за руска технологија користат Ф-15(мислам дека е Ф 15)

уметност Ф/а37

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Можеби и Русите ги немаат најдобрите авиони, ПВО системи, тенкови и слично ама да се потцени капацитетот на Русија е смешно. На тоа сопна и Наполеон во Москва , и германците на Курск против Т-34-ите и американците во Кореја против Миг-15:toe:
 
Можеби и Русите ги немаат најдобрите авиони, ПВО системи, тенкови и слично ама да се потцени капацитетот на Русија е смешно. На тоа сопна и Наполеон во Москва , и германците на Курск против Т-34-ите и американците во Кореја против Миг-15:toe:

да тоа е точно но Т-34 е украински тенк таму е произведен исто и ракетата зенит многу бродови ИТН како и да е сепак е заедничко германците го обрале бостанот џабе им бил тигарот на германците кога не бил мобилен и заглавувал во кал
 
:)

Да не се сватиме погрешно никој не спомна дека америте или израел немаат добра технологија мегутоа илузорно е да се потцени Русија на таков начин.
Во врска со шпекулациите за С-300 и УАВ-от на израелците произлезени од дебка нема да коментирам посебно досега с-300 не бил combat engaged така да џабе се било какви тврдења.Израелците имаа и тренинг против грчките С-300 каде и не се покажаа баш,не за џабе бараат да не се продаде на Иран.
Што се однесува до Ирак би дал само мала споредба со нападот на нато врз Србија и што се случи, а горе доле имааа иста противоздушна одбрана како ирачката,значи битно е и како се користи оружјето:)

Арров-3 системот сеуште е во тест фаза во меѓувреме се најавува и С-500:)
Вака можеме до бескрај а и ќе отидеме малце офтопик:)
Заборавив, naskoro пристигнува и "GLONASS"
 

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