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Можеби Грците се Хомо, ама јас не сум :pos2:.
Грците се од Етиопија, исто така и семитските народи (Евреи и Арапи). Значи тие се роднини. Тезата дека сите народи потекнуваат од некое Африканско племе (пази ваму : од Источна Африка, односно од Етиопија) директно го “пере“ нашиот мозок и кажува : “сите народи потекнуваат од Африка, Семитските народи (и нивните измеќари Грците) потекнуваат исто така од Источна Африка - заклучок : сите народи потекнуваат од семитските народи!“
Целиот свет ја повторува папагалски истата лага. Замисли (!), во Британски “Телеграф“ пишувало дека цела светска популација (дури и Кинезите) потекнува од едно племе од 200 души кои ја напуштиле источна Африка и го населиле целиот свет (можеби ги водел Мојсие?!), а сето тоа го поткрепуваат со генетиката, што ме наведува на сомнеж дека и таа генетика (на која толку и верував) не е најверодостојна наука кога толку многу “смрди“ на обид за манипулација...
 
Треба некој да му каже на светов за пештерата Камени гумна (Петралона) јужно од Солун каде што биле првите Европејци.

Инаку, според најновото откритие во селото Дманиси во Грузија, човеколики суштества дошле на Кавказ од Афирка пред 1.8 милиони години. Сега почнаа да фрчат тези дека тоа се првите Европејци...:tv:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-skull-that-rewrites-the-history-of-man-1783861.html



A skull that rewrites the history of man

It has long been agreed that Africa was the sole cradle of human evolution. Then these bones were found in Georgia...

By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Wednesday, 9 September 2009

The conventional view of human evolution and how early man colonised the world has been thrown into doubt by a series of stunning palaeontological discoveries suggesting that Africa was not the sole cradle of humankind. Scientists have found a handful of ancient human skulls at an archaeological site two hours from the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, that suggest a Eurasian chapter in the long evolutionary story of man.

The skulls, jawbones and fragments of limb bones suggest that our ancient human ancestors migrated out of Africa far earlier than previously thought and spent a long evolutionary interlude in Eurasia – before moving back into Africa to complete the story of man.

Experts believe fossilised bones unearthed at the medieval village of Dmanisi in the foothills of the Caucuses, and dated to about 1.8 million years ago, are the oldest indisputable remains of humans discovered outside of Africa.

Steve Connor: Out of Africa... and back again? The story of humans unravels

But what has really excited the researchers is the discovery that these early humans (or "hominins") are far more primitive-looking than the Homo erectus humans that were, until now, believed to be the first people to migrate out of Africa about 1 million years ago.

The Dmanisi people had brains that were about 40 per cent smaller than those of Homo erectus and they were much shorter in stature than classical H. erectus skeletons, according to Professor David Lordkipanidze, general director of the Georgia National Museum. "Before our findings, the prevailing view was that humans came out of Africa almost 1 million years ago, that they already had sophisticated stone tools, and that their body anatomy was quite advanced in terms of brain capacity and limb proportions. But what we are finding is quite different," Professor Lordkipanidze said.

"The Dmanisi hominins are the earliest representatives of our own genus – Homo – outside Africa, and they represent the most primitive population of the species Homo erectus to date. They might be ancestral to all later Homo erectus populations, which would suggest a Eurasian origin of Homo erectus."

Speaking at the British Science Festival in Guildford, where he gave the British Council lecture, Professor Lordkipanidze raised the prospect that Homo erectus may have evolved in Eurasia from the more primitive-looking Dmanisi population and then migrated back to Africa to eventually give rise to our own species, Homo sapiens – modern man.

"The question is whether Homo erectus originated in Africa or Eurasia, and if in Eurasia, did we have vice-versa migration? This idea looked very stupid a few years ago, but today it seems not so stupid," he told the festival.

The scientists have discovered a total of five skulls and a solitary jawbone. It is clear that they had relatively small brains, almost a third of the size of modern humans. "They are quite small. Their lower limbs are very human and their upper limbs are still quite archaic and they had very primitive stone tools," Professor Lordkipanidze said. "Their brain capacity is about 600 cubic centimetres. The prevailing view before this discovery was that the humans who first left Africa had a brain size of about 1,000 cubic centimetres."

The only human fossil to predate the Dmanisi specimens are of an archaic species Homo habilis, or "handy man", found only in Africa, which used simple stone tools and lived between about 2.5 million and 1.6 million years ago.

"I'd have to say, if we'd found the Dmanisi fossils 40 years ago, they would have been classified as Homo habilis because of the small brain size. Their brow ridges are not as thick as classical Homo erectus, but their teeth are more H. erectus like," Professor Lordkipanidze said. "All these finds show that the ancestors of these people were much more primitive than we thought. I don't think that we were so lucky as to have found the first travellers out of Africa. Georgia is the cradle of the first Europeans, I would say," he told the meeting.

"What we learnt from the Dmanisi fossils is that they are quite small – between 1.44 metres to 1.5 metres tall. What is interesting is that their lower limbs, their tibia bones, are very human-like so it seems they were very good runners," he said.

He added: "In regards to the question of which came first, enlarged brain size or bipedalism, maybe indirectly this information calls us to think that body anatomy was more important than brain size. While the Dmanisi people were almost modern in their body proportions, and were highly efficient walkers and runners, their arms moved in a different way, and their brains were tiny compared to ours.

"Nevertheless, they were sophisticated tool makers with high social and cognitive skills," he told the science festival, which is run by the British Science Association.

One of the five skulls is of a person who lost all his or her teeth during their lifetime but had still survived for many years despite being completely toothless. This suggests some kind of social organisation based on mutual care, Professor Lordkipanidze said.


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Само за зора на слободата ако оваа е вистина тогаш пага сета историја дека прв народ на европскиот континент се грците.поздрав:pos2::tapp:
 
Шо збораш бе чоек , какви грци дај свести се и одговори ми која е причината да се спомнат грците на ваква тема ?

Ова е чист оф топик.
 
Шо збораш бе чоек , какви грци дај свести се и одговори ми која е причината да се спомнат грците на ваква тема ?

Ова е чист оф топик.
гејците се само за споредба каква е историјата дека секое ново откритие отвора нови теми а не како според нив за историјата не се менвала.инаку продолжи за темата да излагаш баш ме интересира каков експерт си. и не се пали толку.:tapp:
 
гејците се само за споредба каква е историјата дека секое ново откритие отвора нови теми а не како според нив за историјата не се менвала.инаку продолжи за темата да излагаш баш ме интересира каков експерт си. и не се пали толку.:tapp:

Ааа па кажи дека е за мајтап работата,инаку да изјавила дека историјата е та и неможи да се менва и зато не треба да се гиба :vozbud:
Јас сериозно сфатив :toe:
 
ARMENIA: ARCHEOLOGISTS SAY THEY’VE FOUND REMAINS OF WORLD’S OLDEST HUMAN BRAIN
Gayane Abrahamyan 9/30/09

An Armenian-American-Irish archeological expedition claims to have found the remains of the world’s oldest human brain, estimated to be over 5,000 years old. The team also says it has found evidence of what may be history’s oldest winemaking operation. The discoveries were made recently in a cave in southeastern Armenia.

An analysis performed by the Keck Carbon Cycle Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratory at the University of California, Irvine confirmed that one of three human skulls found at the site contains particles of a human brain dating to around the first quarter of the 4th millennium BC.

"The preliminary results of the laboratory analysis prove this is the oldest of the human brains so far discovered in the world," said Dr. Boris Gasparian, one of the excavation’s leaders and an archeologist from the National Academy of Science’s Institute of Archaeology and Ethnology in Yerevan. "Of course, the mummies of Pharaonic Egypt did contain brains, but this one is older than the Egyptian ones by about 1,000 to 1,200 years."

The Keck Carbon Cycle Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratory, like other research laboratories examining the Areni finds declined to comment to EurasiaNet about its test results.

In late 2008, researchers in the United Kingdom found a roughly 2,000-year-old human brain -- at the time believed to rank as among the world’s oldest.

The team in Armenia, comprised of 26 specialists from Ireland, the United States and Armenia, had been excavating the three-chamber cave where the brain was found since 2007. The site, overlooking the Arpa River near the town of Areni, is believed to date mostly to the Late Chalcolithic Period or the Early Bronze Age (around 6,000 to 5,000 years ago). It also contains evidence of elaborate burial rituals and agricultural practices.

The skull with the brain was found in a chamber that contained three buried ceramic vessels containing the skulls of three women, about 11 to 16 years old. The cave’s damp climate helped preserve red and white blood cells in the brain remains.

Additional finds are expected, excavation leaders say: the project team so far has examined only about 10 percent of the 500-square-meter site.

"It is a unique first-hand source of information about the genetic code of the people who inhabited this place, and we’re now studying it," Gasparian said in reference to the nine-centimeter-long, seven-centimeter-high brain fragment. It is still being determined from what part of the brain the fragment comes.

Excavation co-leader Ron Pinhasi, a biological anthropologist from Ireland’s University College Cork, called the remains "a mystery we have to understand."

"These are obviously ritualistic secondary burials, which means the three bodies were beheaded after being buried, and then re-buried in these vessels," said Pinhasi.

Microscopic analysis revealed blood vessels and traces of a brain hemorrhage, perhaps caused by a blow to the head, Gasparian said.

Next to one of the three skulls, the team also found four adult femoral shafts -- midsections of a thigh bone -- that may have also played a role in the ritual.

"Interestingly, some of them were not just burnt, but rather evenly roasted from all sides, which directly points to a ceremonial practice. This may have been a case of ceremonial cannibalism, but it still needs to be proved," said Gasparian.

The excavation has also unearthed another potential record-setter -- vessels, pots, grape seeds and grape vine shoots, which, according to Gasparian and Pinhasi, could classify the site as one of the world’s oldest wineries.

"If the analysis confirms the place has been a winery, for the first time ever we will be able to say wine has been produced as early as about 6,000 years ago," Gasparian said.

Winemaking with wild grapes is believed to have gotten its start in Georgia, Armenia’s neighbor to the north, and in Iran, not far from the Areni-1 site, between 6,000 BC and 5,000 BC.

Areni is distinct because the number and volume of the vessels found suggests that wine was produced here in commercial qualities and from domesticated grapes, according to Gasparian.

Near the spot where the three skulls were buried, the excavation team found more then 30 vessels ranging in size from 50 liters to one with a diameter of 1.5 meters. The one vessel’s volume has yet to be quantified.

Grape seeds and a grape branch sent to Oxford University’s Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit for Carbon-14 analysis have been dated to the late 5th millennium BC or the early 4th millennium BC, he said.

Researchers are now waiting for the results of a chemical analysis to confirm whether the vessels contained wine or vinegar or some other substance. "If the analyses prove our hypothesis, Areni can be called the Armenian equivalent of French Provence and Champagne" in terms of the volume of wine produced, Gasparian added.

Editor's Note: Gayane Abrahamyan is a reporter for ArmeniaNow.com in Yerevan.

:nenene:
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Today's Scandinavians are not descended from the people who came to Scandinavia at the conclusion of the last ice age but, apparently, from a population that arrived later, concurrently with the introduction of agriculture. This is one conclusion of a new study straddling the borderline between genetics and archaeology, which involved Swedish researchers and which has now been published in the journal Current Biology.

"The hunter-gatherers who inhabited Scandinavia more than 4,000 years ago had a different gene pool than ours," explains Anders Götherström of the Department of Evolutionary Biology at Uppsala University, who headed the project together with Eske Willerslev of the Centre for GeoGenetics at the University of Copenhagen.

The study, a collaboration among research groups in Sweden, Denmark and the UK, involved using DNA from Stone Age remains to investigate whether the practices of cultivating crops and keeping livestock were spread by immigrants or represented innovations on the part of hunter-gatherers.

"Obtaining reliable results from DNA from such ancient human remains involves very complicated work," says Helena Malmström of the Department of Evolutionary Biology at Uppsala University.

She carried out the initial DNA sequencings of Stone Age material three years ago. Significant time was then required for researchers to confirm that the material really was thousands of years old.

"This is a classic issue within archaeology," says Petra Molnar at the Osteoarchaeological Research Laboratory at Stockholm University. "Our findings show that today's Scandinavians are not the direct descendants of the hunter-gatherers who lived in the region during the Stone Age. This entails the conclusion that some form of migration to Scandinavia took place, probably at the onset of the agricultural Stone Age. The extent of this migration is as of yet impossible to determine."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-09/uu-sad092409.php

napomena:
Dedo Mraz e od Laponija
 
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Оvaa slika pokazuva i razlicen tip na koza na graciite.
Nekoj ke mora da ja preprava Wikiserija.
Vo 2005 objavija deka sme beli-crni poradi vitaminot D, golem uspeh na naukata.
Vo 2009-va, batkava ja srusi taa teza:

negoviot izvestaj seuste go nema celosno na net


Sega, Albino teoreticarite, sto ke izmislat novo?

ovaa e taa sto promovira vitamini za beleenje


P.S. Terorijata na Albinistite, Out of Africa e deka moderniot covek proizlegol od Afrika.
Zosto togas Haplogroupata K, onaa od Y-DNA, koja se procenuva na 40.000 g. starost, JA NEMA VO AFRIKA???
Zarem tamu ne ostanal NIEDEN nas predok?

I uste eden interesen moment: Kina e zemja na cuda
Svila i textile

I med......aj med sto e slavski, tekstilot od Balkan, genite seuste EU...
Vo Avstrija nema ZLATNI MASKI, vo Egipet nema med...
 
Хомо Сапиенсот и Хомо Неандреталeнзис(Неандреталците) имаат ист предок и се двата ХОМО,ама не иста гранка на ХОМО.
Не сме директни наследници на Хомо Еректусот оти и тој е башка разгранет вид,од некој поран предок.Значи и Хомо Еректусот е сосема различен вид.

А бе овде ХОМО се само Грците, ама не се “Напрчен Хомо“ (Еректус Хомо) туку повеќе се “Напучен Хомо“:vozbud:.
А скелетите што ги нашле од пред 1 800 000 год. се скелети од миленичињата на Македонците, какви бре наши предци, какви бакрачи... Ако некому родителот му е мајмун - негова работа, мојот сигурно не е...
 
Откритие во пештера близу Ерусалим - пари стари 2000 години:

The largest cache of rare coins ever found in a scientific excavation from the period of the Bar-Kokhba revolt of the Jews against the Romans has been discovered in a cave by researchers from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Bar-Ilan University.
The coins were discovered in three batches in a deep cavern located in a nature reserve in the Judean hills. The treasure includes gold, silver and bronze coins, as well as some pottery and weapons.

The discovery was made in the framework of a comprehensive cave research and mapping project being carried out by Boaz Langford and Prof. Amos Frumkin of the Cave Research Unit in the Department of Geography at the Hebrew University.


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http://gnews.com/science/2000-Year-Old-Treasure-Discovered-in-Jerusalem-4994552280.html#at
 
Od brilijantnata nauka:
Adam Y hromozon (60,000 and 50,000 years ago):nesum:
Sin:A halplogrupa Afrika
Sin:BT ( 70,000 years bp ):nesum: od ovoj sin demek sme nie,a sinot postar 10.000 god od tatkoto....
potomci:drn,,drnnn
vnuk:CT + CF
No male in haplogroup CT* has yet been discovered.
no male in haplogroup CF* has yet been discovered.

pravnuci:
C+F+D+E (Kopilinja,tatkovci CT+CF nepoznati) (od ovie tatkovci demek sme nie,tatkovcite nepoznati..NE POSTOJAT..STRKOT NE DONEL)....

site luge se kopilinja....
genetikata.....

, Haplogroup F... years ago: 50,300±6500....This haplogroup and its subclades contain more than 90% of the world's existing male population, including almost everyone outside of Africa,...
Several lineages derived from Haplogroup F appear to have migrated into Africa...
Y-chromosome haplogroups associated with this hypothetical "Back to Africa"....

p.s....
mozebi site luge ne se kopilinja,postoi moznost i da sme bozji deca....:pos2:
mozebi sme klonirani,C,D,E,F bile prvite klonovi....

inaku,skoro site Makedonci se od neafrickiot F klonot (kopileto,bozjoto dete),koe imalo pokolenija,i od E klonot V13 koj ispaga deka e afrikanskoto dete,i od nego ima Beli Afrikancinja.....
Ova E dete,nemalo deca,so destetici iljadi godini si sedelo vo Afrika,za nego ne vazi selenjeto so desetici iljadi godini,nieden od tie E potomci ne izlegol od Afrika,site negovi Haplogrupi se so predznak E,sto naveduva na somnez deka Gavolot nemal druga rabota,pa si gi e.aval decata.....

Vo drugiot svet,onoj nadvor od Afrika,se namnozile 15-na Haplogrupi,ama taa magija ne vazela za E haplogrupata......
Vsusnost,istata Magija vazi i za A haplogrupata (Afrika).......
i taa nema deca (novi Haplogrupi).....
A Afrika,zemja od kade poteknuva Magijata....

i toa beleenjeto,ne drzi voda....
 
Пред некоја година Шпанците тврдеа дека ги пронашле најстарите остатоци во Европа од пред 1 мил. години во сецерна Шпанија (нашле вилица).



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Јас ќе кажам дека таа вилица ја однесол некој Македонски турист при неговата посета на Шпанија (можеби му била сувенир, а можеби пак ја носел вилицата од баба му (мајката на жена му) за да не “лае“ по него откако заминал :vozbud:. Може и жена му да ја носела вилицата од свекрвата, кој знае... (па нека ги побие некој моиве тврдења - ама со факти, а не со : “слушај ме мене оти сум јас професор Др.Мосерец“)
Јас не знам кој им дава пари на идиотиве да копаат и да најдуваат вилици од мајмуни стари милион години. Факт е само дека човекот како свесно битие се појавува така-речи “од никаде“ пред околу 35-36000 год. (помеѓу 30 000 и 40 000 год) и скоро веднаш му текнува да прави камени орудија, да црта по пештери и да прави живеалишта?!? Зошто пред тој период нема ништо такво? И како одеднаш после милиони години се исправил и одеднаш во период од само 1000 - 2000 год. почнал да размислува и да го прави сето наброеното? Одеднаш од мајмун станал разумно суштество:wink:. Со милиони години ништо и одеднаш, “фааап“ - од пред 40 000 год., - гле’ј чудо : човек!
 

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