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Haplogroup E3b1a2-V13 shows a gene flows into Sicily
from Greece and, more generally, from the southern Balkan
Peninsula. The main haplotype related to this Hg, named
southern Balkan Modal Haplotype, is defined by the allelic
combination 13-13-30-24-10-11-13. This allelic combination
belonging to V13 is common in Continental Greece
11.7%, Crete 3.62%29 and Albania (AP unpublished data).
Estimating TMRCA for E3b1 a2-V13 modal haplotype
in the Mediterranean basin
The STRs haplotypes within Hg E3b1a2-V13 found in our
Sicilian samples were merged with data from recent
literature using the following microsatellites: DYS19,
DYS391, DYS393, DYS439, DYS460.
We used populations from Cruciani et al12 (Sicilian,
Continental Greek, Albanian, Greek from Crete, Greek
from Aegean Islands, southwestern Turkish, southeastern
Turkish, Turkish Cypriot, Central Anatolian) to obtain a
homogeneous sample that could allow for tracing typical
haplotypes and for dating TMRCA. Overall, we obtained
123 unrelated male subjects.
The 14 Sicilian samples out of these turned out to be
tightly clustered around haplotype 13-10-13-12-9 and its
one-step neighbours. Assuming the Sicilian Most Recent
Common Ancestor had this modal haplotype and a male
intergeneration time of 25 years, using the Ytime software
we estimate a mean TMRCA of about 2380 years before
present (CI: 675 to 6940 years).
Differential Greek and northern African migrations to Sicily are supported by genetic evidence from the Y chromosome
Cornelia Di Gaetano*,1,10, Nicoletta Cerutti1,10, Francesca Crobu1,11, Carlo Robino2, Serena Inturri2, Sarah Gino2, Simonetta Guarrera3, Peter A Underhill4, Roy J King5, Valentino Romano6, Francesco Cali7, Mauro Gasparini8, Giuseppe Matullo1,3, Alfredo Salerno9, Carlo Torre2 and Alberto Piazza1
European Journal of Human Genetics (2009) 17, 91–99
& 2009 Macmillan Publishers Limited All rights reserved 1018-4813/09 $32.00
www.nature.com/ejhg
Table 3 Ages of microsatellite variation and mean
variance of microsatellite loci within E-V13 haplogroup in
Turkey and Greece
Konya-Turkeyc (10) 9.4±2.9
Macedonian Greecec (8) 8.5±4.5
Greecec (8) 4.8±1.6
Nea Nikomedeia (North Greece)d (6) 8.6±4.0
Seklo and Dimini (Central Greece)d (20) 4.3±1.8
Lerna and Franchthi Cave (South Greece)d (20) 9.2±4.3
Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of
agriculture in southeast Europe
Vincenza Battaglia1, Simona Fornarino1, Nadia Al-Zahery1, Anna Olivieri1, Maria Pala1,
Natalie M Myres2, Roy J King3, Siiri Rootsi4, Damir Marjanovic5,6, Dragan Primorac7,8,
Rifat Hadziselimovic5, Stojko Vidovic9, Katia Drobnic10, Naser Durmishi11, Antonio
Torroni1, A Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti1, Peter A Underhill3 and Ornella Semino*,1
European Journal of Human Genetics (2008), 1 – 11
& 2008 Macmillan Publishers Limited All rights reserved 1018-4813/08 $32.00
www.nature.com/ejhg
ne e samo da se falis V-13.....
gledame od kade trgnale,i taka nazad za 1 generacija 25-30 god. prosek,sicilija dobila V-13 okolu 380 g. pred Risteta.
istorijata verojatno kazuva deka bila i porano naselena od gejci,pa odprilika i tuka nekade e so genite.
V-13 kaj albancite,kako ke ispagaat novi rezultati,samo ke pokaze kolku Makedonci,Srbi,Crnogorci ima POALBANCENO.
V-13 kaj "albancite",kako sto kazav ne pominuva pod linijata stara era.
godinite se "neadekvatni",za nikakva istoriska preselba ne moze da stane zbor.
na picasso ne mu se veruvase za presmetkite,eve mu najtaze presmetki (za Sicilija) od geneticari,pa neka razmisli...STO E VSUSNOST?
ova e samo primer,kako vo prvite 2-4 turski popisi nema GEGI,MIRDITE,TOSKI,ARNAUTI, A POTOA OD MALI GRUPI ARNAUTI,POPISITE POKAZUVAAT NOVI MUSLIMANI,A I IST BROJ ZITELI ILI NAMELEN BROJ,I BEZBROJNI ISLAMIZIRANJA NA NASELENIETO.
P.S.vo potkrepa na ova e i najnoviot izvestaj za I2a1* halplogrupa kade sto vo Hercegovina ja ima duri 73.3 % i nasekade na balkanov vo visok procent,a na KOSOVO SKORO I DA JA NEMA.
E NEOLITEC SO 1 NOGA NEODI...
p.s..
i drugar mu na picasso ,toj sto go fali Birdot,uste 2007 poracal:
Interestingly, the Albanians tend to see themselves as
descendants of the Illyrians, but the genetic evidence would seem to support
a much greater Thracian presence, in line with the rest of the Balkan
peninsula, but at a higher percentage. In a spirit of compromise, they are
sometimes also described as "Thraco-Illyrians," a blending of the two
"barbarian" tribal groups north of the Greeks.
i najmeraklisko,i toj ne sakase da se sretne so Rizo Surla,mislese se znae za Balkanot..Kopuk...
I sto dokazuva ova??????
kako sto gledas i samoit veli deka :
The 14 Sicilian samples out of these turned out to be
tightly clustered around haplotype 13-10-13-12-9 and its
one-step neighbours. Assuming the Sicilian Most Recent
Common Ancestor had this modal haplotype and a male
intergeneration time of 25 years, using the Ytime software
we estimate a mean TMRCA of about 2380 years before
present (CI: 675 to 6940 years).
Ova znaci edno nesto a ne znam ni koj go napisal ova i kolku e tocno nekoj samo si pravi komparacija na populacijata na ona sto imat napisano Cruciani et el i nekojsi drug.
Pa normalna Rabota E - V13 e so Neolitsko poteklo vo Balkanot sto znaci najmalku 10 000 Years before Present. E - V13 se nasol vo Italija i vo sicilija kako linija na patuvanje na E - V13 o Balkanot vo Centralna Evropa pa posle vo Juzna italia sto i ima golema logika, takasto E - V13 stiguva vo Centralna evropa negde 5000 BC posle vo spanija mnogu podocna fakt za ova e kako 5% od Etnickite germanci se nositeli na V13 zosto ne e tamu V13 vo golem procent kako tuka??? posto se slucilo Genetic Drift i E - V13 se asimiliralo.

Kako sto gledas na mapata V13 stignalo vo italia mnogu porano pred Thracite i Ilirite i site civilizacii sto znaci 2700 BC gledaj na mapata.
Early Migration from the Middle East to Europe
The haplogroup J2b (J-M12) is frequently also discussed in connection with V13, as a haplogroup with a seemingly very similar distribution and pre-historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_%28Y-DNA%29#cite_note-Cruciani2004-4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_%28Y-DNA%29#cite_note-Semino2004-8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_%28Y-DNA%29#cite_note-Battaglia2008-21.
Cruciani et al. (2007) says there were at least four major demographic events which have been envisioned for this geographic area:
- The "post-Last Glacial Maximum expansion (about 20 kya)"
- The "Younger Dryas-Holocene reexpansion (about 12 kya)"
- The "population growth associated with the introduction of agricultural practices (about 8 kya)"
- The "development of Bronze technology (about 5kya)"
The distribution and diversity of V13 are generally thought to be suggestive that it was brought to the Balkans along with early farming technologies, during the Neolithic expansionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_%28Y-DNA%29#cite_note-Semino2004-8. However, Battaglia et al. (2008) propose that the E-M78* lineage ancestral to all modern E-V13 men moved rapidly out of a Southern Egyptian homeland, in the wetter conditions of the early Holocene; arrived in Europe with only Mesolithic technologies and then only subsequently integrated with Neolithic cultures which arrived later in the Balkans. They then suggest that the E-V13 sub-clade of E-M78 originated in situ in Europe, and propose that the first major dispersal of E-V13 from the Balkans may have been in the direction of the Adriatic Sea with the Neolithic Impressed Ware culture often referred to as Impressa or Cardial.
Haplogroup E-V13 is the only lineage that reaches the highest frequencies out of Africa. In fact, it represents about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan peninsula (19.6%) to western Europe (2.5%). The same haplogroup is also present at lower frequencies in Anatolia (3.8%), the Near East (2.0%), and the Caucasus (1.8%). In Africa, haplogroup E-V13 is rare, being observed only in northern Africa at a low frequency (0.9%).
—Cruciani et al. (2007)
Sto ti kazuva ova ??????
Ova 3% vo Anatolia i 1% vo Kafkaz i 2% vo Bliskiot istok ti dokazuva deka E M78 dosl vo Balkanod sporet BATTALGIA 2008 vo vreme na MSOLIT a posle se pojavila i se rodil haplogrupod E V13 vo Balkanot negde vo THESSALY ili THRACE ali toa nema vrska posto ova se slucilo nad 10 000 Pred den denes sto znace dolgo pred Grcite Pred Ilirite i duri i Pred THracite kako naj ANticki vo Balkanot.
toa na mapata E V13 sto go gledas se vrzuva za Italija Preku Balkanot plus ti samoit na postot pokazuvas deka od 120 Mazi testirani samo 14 dokazale deka se so dosta golema Starost.—Cruciani et al. (2007)
Sto ti kazuva ova ??????
Ova 3% vo Anatolia i 1% vo Kafkaz i 2% vo Bliskiot istok ti dokazuva deka E M78 dosl vo Balkanod sporet BATTALGIA 2008 vo vreme na MSOLIT a posle se pojavila i se rodil haplogrupod E V13 vo Balkanot negde vo THESSALY ili THRACE ali toa nema vrska posto ova se slucilo nad 10 000 Pred den denes sto znace dolgo pred Grcite Pred Ilirite i duri i Pred THracite kako naj ANticki vo Balkanot.
Migracii imalo od Severna afrika za Italija i Balkanot DA toa e fakt ama koga, Znaci NEOLIT se PRosiruva a vise E M78 Spored Battalgia biolo vo Balkanot vo Mesolit a posle vo Balkanot se Raga E - V13 i se integrira vo Neolitskoto opstestvo


TOa sto se podbivas samiot sebesi deka Albancite moze da se So Thrakisko poteklo e smesno posto ti ispaga tvojata teorija od Kavkaz smao od eden prost fakt stop THracite ne dosle vo 10ti vek od Kafkaz.
Ilirite i THracite pa i site civilizacii ne bile sosamo so edna homogena Haplogrupa site bile Izmesani Plus ako go Procitas Battalgia ke vidis Najstariot e - V13 e najdeno vo Hercegnovi 13 0000 GOdini pred den denes istotaka vo Bulgarija 11 000 Pred den denes.
Ilirite Bile pa i thracite ebz razlika civilizacii so mesani Haplogrupi so I1a so I1b so E - V13 so R1b i taka natamu.
Dopsta se podbivas sebesi ispagas smesen ne za nesto drugo
