http://books.google.com/books?id=FGPcLMpcBAMC&pg=PA56&dq=Oricum+Colchi&hl=pl&ei=iuHqTL76IJDoOczgvd8K&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
Ова, значи... ДУНАВ... тие можеле да го пловат и врват, Словените не можеле. Нејсе...
Друго... certanly unreasonable hypothesis that such of the Iberes as were displaced... bla bla bla....
На крај не е само едно место, туку се повеќе места, уште од време на антиката значи... Тоа се многу места, рецимо Далматија, па низ цел Јадран... Опа турлитава муабет...
После, ако истите (денешните Албанци) добиле име по нив, зошто дури по средовековие ги нарекуваат Албанци? (со исклучок на античките забелешки, кои дел ги нарекуваат Арбани-Арпниа-Арбнија-Арбон, а дел Албанои) ?
Авторот од 16 век, не се ориентира по еден грст Колчи, пошто ако ги барал нив, и Далматија ќе ја наречел Албанија.
Каква е тоа прашање ЗАШТО?
Не очекувај одговори на такви прашања, освен ако не сакаш да се занимаваме со шпекулации.
Теориите кои ти ги поставуваш се refutable без многу напор.
Јас историски и хронолошки ти ја претставив врската меѓу двете Албании, без намера да одземам нечие право инхабитамус.
Арб-Арв-Арп-Алп-Алб
Арнаут-Арнавут-Арван-Арвонаут-Арбонаут-Аргонаут
Митриди-Митридатес
the Armenians and their ethnonym were derived from the
Argonaut Armenos (Lat. Armenius) whose companions settled in the western and southern provinces of historic Armenia
http://www.iatp.am/resource/science/history/aram/summary.htm
The territory of
present-day Azerbaijan has been continuously inhabited since the Paleolithic era.
The first evidence of tribal alliances date to the
first millenium BC, when such peoples as the Mannaians, the Medes, the Cadusiis,
the Albanoi, and the Caspians appeared.
The famous Russian historian, V.L.Velichko, wrote: "Especially interesting is also the question of
Caucasian Albania, or, in Armenian,
Aghvank. This country, which incorporated contemporary Elizavetpol' Guberniia, as well as part of Tiflis [Guberniia] and Daghestan, was populated by nations of non-Armenian ancestry.... Until the beginning of XIX century a separate Aghvan or Gandzasar Catolicosat existed, which competed with the Echmiadzin [Armenian Catholicosat].... Currently, the Christians who were before of Aghvan Catholicosat, are considered Armenians, and after mixing with them [assimilating], adopted their character." (p. 66).
Velichko later continues:
"An exception were the inhabitants of Karabakh (Albania or Aghvania), incorrectly (in relation to history) called Armenians, who professed the Armenian-Gregorian faith, but were descendants of [Caucasian] Mountaneer and Turkic tribes, and who had gone through the process of Armenianization only three to four centuries earlier." (p.154)
Azerbeidzan scientist R. B. Gejusev published in Bakuu a studious study in
1984, in which he wrote that
Kavkaz Albanians were among the first to accept Christianity and, after
losing their state under the Arabic invasion, they were exposed to a mass islamisation.
A part of them joined Arabic troops and moved with them to Byzantium in the 10th century.
That is how and when they arrived at Balkan, by concentrating themselves,
mainly in the South of Italy and in Mountains of the contemporary Albania
(V.L. Velichko, "Caucasus: Russian affairs and interethnic questions." St.Petersburg, 1904, pp. 66, 154. IN RUSSIAN: Vasilii L'vovich Velichko "Kavkaz. Russkoe delo i mezhduplemennie voprosi")
The Byzantine historian Michael Ataliota recorded the
migration of
Albanians into the region of today's Albania around 1043 AD when a few thousands of
Byzantine mercenaries and their families, who were
previously brought as
Arabian slaves from the Caucasus to Sicily, were
settled on the other side of the Adriatic Sea.
(Michael Attaliota: Historia, Corpus Scriptorum Historiae Byzantinae. Impensis ed. Njeberi, Bonnae)
When the blessed Omar conquered Jerusalem, Jabal could not remain any longer in that place, so they boarded ships and took refuge with the king of Spain.
Jabal-i Alhama was given the mountains of Dukat, Progonat and Frengis in the Albanian regions of Avlona and Delvina to live in, which were then under Spanish rule. These lands were previously uninhabited and, within a short period of time, he settled them and,
mingling with the Franks, they created the Albanian language from a mixture of Frankish and Arabic.
The place they originally inhabited, and where they still reside after many generations,
is now called the mountain of Quryelesh, since they are descended from the
Quraysh tribe of Arabs. Accordingly,
the Albanian people boast that they are descended from the Quraysh, the companions of the Prophet. Although Jabal-i Alhama died as a Muslim and was buried at this site according to his last will and testament, his descendants intermarried with the treacherous Franks and became Frankish and bookless themselves..........The Albanians claim that their ancestor Jabal-i Alhama was a companion of the Prophet and died a Muslim.
In short, Jabal-i Alhama of the Quraysh tribe is the ancestor of the Albanian..........
Quryelesh = Kurvelesh -топоним во денешна Албанија
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurvelesh
They all speak Arnaud, which is like no other tongue. In origin,
the Arnaudi were one of the Arab tribes of Quraysh in Mecca. That is why there are some Arabic words still in use among them. When these Arnaud tribesmen emerged from the mountains of Skadar and Vlora, they mingled with the Italians and Franks, and so, during the Caliphate of Omar,
produced a language between Arabic and Frankish.
“Jabal-i Alhama subsequently died as a Muslim in the city of Elbasan. In the Tuhfa history, there is extensive information on this Arab tribe. This
clan of Quraysh actually do look like Arabs........ “
Robert Dankoff, Robert Elsie; Evliya Celebi in Albania and adjacent regions (Kosovo, Montenegro, Ohrid).
Travelling through southern Albania in 1670, Ottoman traveller Evliya Chelebi (1611-1684) recounts the apocryphal legend of the Arab sheikh Jabal-i Alhama, who fled to the
mountains of Kurvelesh in Albania and died in Elbasan. According to Evliya,
he is the father of the Albanian people.
http://www.albanianliterature.net/oral_lit3/OL3-11.html
The Albanians are divided into four tribes. These are, the Gheghides and Mirdites, the Toskides, the Tsamides, and the Liapides.
The Toskides are the most handsome of the Albanians. They have noble features, with fair hair and blue eyes,
indicating the mixture of Georgian blood, which probably flows in their veins : less warlike than their countrymen of the other tribes, their stature is also less Herculean.
They are supposed to have derived their name from the Toxidse, mentioned by Chardin as inhabiting Mingrelia.
The Principality of
Mingrelia was a historical
state in Georgia ruled by the Dadiani dynasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Mingrelia
The country now occupied by this tribe lies to the south of that of the Ghegs and Mirdites, and extends to the river Vojutza. It is called by themselves Toskouria. Their chief places are Elbassan and Berat, called by the Turks Arnaout Belgrad, in order to distinguish it from Belgrade on the Danube. Te-pellene, the birth-place of Ali Pasha, is now included in their territory, although it was formerly considered as belonging to the infamous Liapides.
The women of the Toske tribe are remarkable for their beauty, like those of Georgia, whence they issue, according to the conjecture of some antiquaries.
In their own language they call themselves Skipetar, which name bears some affinity with that of of the Skitekip,
mentioned by the Armenian geographers as inhabiting a territory near the Caspian.
Journal of the Ethnological Society of London (1848-1856)
Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts19/AH1848_2.html
http://www.archive.org/stream/edinbu...6edin_djvu.txt