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Gurdjieff

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Mi se dopagja tvoeto razmisluvanje,spored tvoeto korisnicko ime predpostavuvam deka ucis po malku od zenot,vo momentot koga ke se otkazeme od minatoto,od idninata,ke gi pustime nasite iluzii,zelbi,ocekuvanja,nasata nadez,vo momentot koga ke se odkazeme od nasata zamislena ljubov,od lugjeto okolu nas,i ke ostaneme prazni,sami,osameni,depresivni,anksiozni,togas imame sansi da ja zapoznaeme meditacijata.togas imame sansi da ja zapoznaeme i ljubovta,i ona sto site go narekuvaat gospod.togas ke ja zapoznaeme molitvata i tisinata.MEDITIRAJTE,zosto nemate mnogu vreme...
Izglada ne si svatil sho sakam da kazam i si gi obrnal rabotite.
Identifikacijata so mozokot i negova pogreshna upotreba doveduvat do toa da bidesh depresiven, osamen,tazen itn.. itn... dodeka negova pravilna upotreba doveduva do ziveenje vo segashnosta,sreka i momentite so drugarite da ti bidat prekrasni.
Aj ke te molam procitaj go mojot prv komentar za MEDITACIJA pa ke komentirame. Se nadevam deka ke go razberesh kako sto treba, za tvoe dobro.
 
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True Meditation

True meditation has no direction, goals, or method. All methods aim at achieving a certain state of mind. All states are limited, impermanent and conditioned. Fascination with states leads only to bondage and dependency. True meditation is abidance as primordial consciousness.


True meditation appears in consciousness spontaneously when awareness is not fixated on objects of perception. When you first start to meditate, you notice that awareness is always focused on some object: on thoughts, bodily sensations, emotions, memories, sounds, etc. This is because the mind is conditioned to focus and contract upon objects. Then the mind compulsively interprets what it is aware of (the object) in a mechanical and distorted way. It begins to draw conclusions and make assumptions according to past conditioning.


In true meditation all objects are left to their natural functioning. This means that no effort should be made to manipulate or suppress any object of awareness. In true meditation the emphasis is on being awareness; not on being aware of objects, but on resting as primordial awareness itself. Primordial awareness (consciousness) is the source in which all objects arise and subside.


As you gently relax into awareness, into listening, the mind's compulsive contraction around objects will fade. Silence of being will come more clearly into consciousness as a welcoming to rest and abide. An attitude of open receptivity, free of any goal or anticipation, will facilitate the presence of silence and stillness to be revealed as your natural condition.


Silence and stillness are not states and therefore cannot be produced or created. Silence is the non-state in which all states arise and subside. Silence, stillness and awareness are not states and can never be perceived in their totality as objects. Silence is itself the eternal witness without form or attributes.


As you rest more profoundly as the witness, all objects take on their natural functionality, and awareness becomes free of the mind's compulsive contractions and identifications. It returns to its natural non-state of Presence.


The simple yet profound question "Who Am I?" can then reveal one's self not to be the endless tyranny of the ego-personality, but objectless Freedom of Being -- Primordial Consciousness in which all states and all objects come and go as manifestations of the Eternal Unborn Self that YOU ARE.​
 
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Јас медитирам, за да се опуштам малку, а и за духовна смиреност. Кај мене многу помага..а исто така и ги намалува болките.. а има и други причини заради што ја применувам медитацијата. :D
 
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Јас медитирам, за да се опуштам малку, а и за духовна смиреност. Кај мене многу помага..а исто така и ги намалува болките.. а има и други причини заради што ја применувам медитацијата. :D
Koi se tie pricini ?
:D
 
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Променете ги мислите и начинот на живот преку медитација.
Придобивките од медитацијата не се новост. Медитацијата со децении е препорачувана од страна на врвната медицина како докажан начин за да го намалите стресот и да се релаксирате. Всушност, да не беше резултатот на релаксација, една чиста верзија на источната медитација која стана популарна пред 30 години, тешко дека едно секуларно општество ќе беше убедено дека медицината е навистина ефикасна. До скоро, зборовите како “мир” и ”бистрина” биле поврзувани само со религијата.
Едно ново истражување на општата болница во Масачусетс покажува дека доволни се осум недели медитација за да се забележат промените на неколку полиња на мозокот кои се поврзуваат со чувството на мир и подобрувањето на свесноста за себе, емпатијата и подобрената меморија. И ова, исто така, не е новост. Уште од седумдесеттите години се знае дека промените во мозочните бранови, поточно алфа брановите се поврзуваат со редовната медитација. Денес, со постоењето на пософистицирани прикази на мозокот, истражувачите можат полесно да одредат каде точно настануваат овие промени со огромна прецизност.
Фактот дека кратко време е потребно за да се стигне до придобивките е навистина големо изненадување. Слики на мозокот на будистичките свештеници покажаа огромна промена на гама брановите во префронталниот кортекс, регион поврзан со повисоките когнитивни реакции како и моралните чувства за сочувствување. Но, да знаете дека долгоживотниот медијатор произвел гама бранови на 80 циклуси во секоја секунда наместо вообичаените 40, иако им звучело фасцинантно на нервонаучниците, е сепак далеку од секуларните “западњаци”. Сега може да се каже без никаков страв дека ќе звучи “премногу источно”, дека медитацијата го изострува мозокот и дава придобивки за сите. Старите муабети дека зјапањето во папокот ве прави пасивни и “премногу смирени” еднаш за секогаш ќе престанат.
Се претпоставува дека следниот чекор ќе биде откритието дека медитацијата ќе направи промени при изразувањето на гените. Доктор Дин Орниш, експерт за медитација, здрава исхрана и редовно вежбање, пред скоро време откри дека се промениле повеќе од 400 гени заедно со тие кои се менуваат со здрава исхрана и вежбање. Врската меѓу мозокот и гените е сепак новост, и делува ветувачки при промената на најосновните претстави за нив. Со децении, се земал здраво за готово ставот дека ни мозокот ни гените можат да се менуваат на некој особен начин (освен негативно, преку стареењето и боледувањето), но сега знаеме дека мозокот е многу подинамичен и склон кон промени. Всушност, секоја промена во мозокот почнува преку генетското менување – мозочните келии создаваат нови врски и самите се лекуваат преку произведување на протеини и ензими, а ним им требаат генетски сигнали кои не можат да се создадат сами по себе.
Ако пробате да гледате поглобално, тоа што ќе го забележите е зачудувачко. Има еден директен пат кој започнува во мозокот – со медитација, исполнет ум или некои поосновни работи како верувања и емоции – а потоа патот води до гените, каде сингалите што се праќаат ги менуваат мозочните келии, кои потоа ги праќаат нивните сигнали како невропренесувачи кон секоја посебна ќелија во телото. Причината зошто осум недели се доволни за да предизвикаат значајни промени во мозокот е дека текот што ги поврзува умот, гените и мозокот работи секоја втора секунда во нашиот живот. На крај, резултатите ќе отвараат нови полиња. Ќе можеме да откриеме дека свесноста на лицата ги урамнотежува и контролира сите процеси на телото кои можете да ги замислите. Старата мисла дека “биологијата е судбина” ќе треба сериозно да се преиспита. Добра замена на ова би било “свесноста е судбина” што ќе биде главен доказ дека медитацијата се појавила прва. Се предвидуваат огромни можности за лична слобода. Наместо вашите гени да ви го диктираат животот и хемиските процеси во мозокот, ќе сфатите дека вие го креирате вашиот живот, вие сте способни за промена, исцелување, креативност и лична трансформација. Кој не би сакал да биде слободен за да ја пишува сопствената програма што го води мозокот и телото? Вакво беше духовното ветување илјада години наназад. Време е модерното општество да се разбуди и да сфати дека ова ветување сеуште е остварливо.
 
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Vigyan Bhairav Tantra
“WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.”


You see through your eyes. Remember, you see THROUGH your eyes. Eyes cannot see; you see through them. The seer is hidden behind, the eyes are just the opening, just the windows. But we go on thinking that we see by the eyes; we go on thinking we hear by the ears. No one has ever heard by the ears. You hear THROUGH the ears, not BY the ears. The hearer is hidden behind. The ears are just receptive organs.

I touch you: I give you a loving touch, a handclasp. The hand is not touching you: I am touching you, through the hand. The hand is just instrumental, so there can be two types of touch — when I really touch you and when I just avoid touch. I can touch your hand and avoid touch. I may not be there in my hand, I may have withdrawn. Try this, and you will have a different, a distant feeling. Put your hand on someone and withdraw yourself. A dead hand is there, not you. And if the other is sensitive, he will feel a dead hand. He will feel insulted. You are deceiving; you are just showing that you are touching, and you are not touching.

Women are very sensitive about it; you cannot deceive them. They have a greater sensitivity of touch, of body touch, so they know. The husband may be talking beautiful things. He may have brought flowers and he may be saying, “I love you,” but his touch will show that he is not there. And women have an instinctive feeling when you are with them and when you are not with them. It is difficult to deceive them unless you are a master. Unless you are a master of your own self, you cannot deceive them. But a master would not like to become a husband, that is the difficulty.

Whatsoever you say will be false; your touch will show it. Children are very sensitive, you cannot deceive them. You may pat them, but they know that this is a dead pat. If your hand is not a flowing energy, a loving energy, they know. Then it is just as if a dead thing is being used. When you are present in your hand in your totality, when you have moved, when your center of being has come to the hand, when your soul is there, then the touch has a different quality.

This sutra says that the senses are just doors, receiving stations, mediums, instruments, receptors. You are hidden behind. “WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.” While hearing music, don’t forget yourself in the ear, don’t lose yourself into the ear. Remember the awareness that is hidden behind. Be alert! While seeing someone… Try this. You can try it right now, looking at me. What is happening? You can look at me by the eyes, and when I say “by the eyes,” it means you are not aware that you are hidden behind the eyes. You can look at me through the eyes, and when I say “through the eyes,” then the eyes are just in between you and me. You are standing there behind the eyes, looking through the eyes, just as if someone looks through a window or specs.

Have you seen some clerk in a bank looking from above his specs? The specs have slipped down on his nose, and he looks. Just look that way at me, towards me, as if you are looking from above your eyes, as if the eyes have slipped down a little on your nose and you are standing behind looking at me. Suddenly you will feel a change in the quality. Your focus changes; eyes become just doors. This becomes a meditation.

When hearing, just hear through the ears and remain aware of your inner center. When touching, just touch through the hand and remember the inner one who is hidden behind. From any sense you can have a feeling of the inner center, and every sense goes to the inner center. It has to report. That is why, when you are seeing me and you are hearing me, when you see me through the eyes and you hear me through the ears, deep down within you know that you are seeing the same man whom you are also hearing.

If I have some body odor your nose will smell it. Then three different senses report to one center. That is why you can coordinate. Otherwise it will be difficult: if your eyes see and your ears hear, it will be difficult to know whether you are hearing the same man whom you are seeing or two different ones, because these two senses are different and they never meet. Your eyes have never known about your ears and your ears have not heard about your eyes. They don’t know each other, they have never met; they have not even been introduced.

So how does everything become synthetic? Ears hear, eyes see, hands touch, the nose smells, and suddenly somewhere inside you know that this is the same man that you are hearing and seeing and touching and smelling. This knower is different from the senses. Every sense reports to this knower, and in this knower, in the center, everything falls, fits and becomes one. This is miraculous.

I am one, outside you. I am one! My body and body’s presence, my body odor, my speaking, are one. Your senses will divide me. Your ears will report if I say something, your nose will report if there is some odor, your eyes will report if I can be seen and am visible. They will divide me into parts. But again, somewhere within you, I will become one. Where I become one within you is your center of being. That is your awareness, and you have forgotten it completely. This forgetfulness is the ignorance, and the awareness will open the doors for self-knowledge. And you cannot know yourself in any other way.

“WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.” Remain with the awareness; keep in the awareness; remain alert. It is difficult in the beginning. We go on falling asleep, and it seems arduous to look through the eyes. It is easy to look “by” the eyes. In the beginning you will feel a certain strain — if you try to look through the eyes. Not only will you feel a strain; the person you look at will also feel a strain.

If you look at someone through the eyes, he will feel as if you are trespassing upon him, as if you are doing something unmannerly. If you look through the eyes, the other will become aware suddenly that you are not behaving properly, because your look will become piercing, your look will go deeper. If it comes from your depth, it will penetrate to the other’s depth. That is why society has a built-in security: don’t look too deeply into anyone unless you are in love. If you are in love, you can look deeply into the other; you can penetrate to the very depth because the other is not afraid. The other can be naked, totally naked, the other can be vulnerable, the other can be open to you. But ordinarily, if you are not in love, you are not allowed to see directly, to see penetratingly.

In India, a person who looks in such a way, penetratingly at someone, is called a LUCHCHA. A LUCHCHA means a seer. The word LUCHCHA comes from LOCHAN; LOCHAN means eyes, and LUCHCHA means one who has become eyes towards you. So don’t try it on someone you don’t know; he will think you are a LUCHCHA.

First try with objects — a flower, a tree, the stars in the night. They will not feel trespassed upon and they will not object. Rather, they will like it and will feel very good and appreciated. First try with them, then with loving persons — your wife, your child. Sometimes take your child into your lap and look at him through the eyes, and the child will understand. He will understand more than anyone else because he is still uncrippled by the society, still unperverted, still natural. He will feel deep love if you look through the eyes; he will feel your presence.

Look at your lover or beloved, and then only, by and by, as you get the feel of it and as you become more artful about it, you will be able to look at anyone — because then no one will be able to know that someone has looked so deeply. And once you have this art of standing always alert behind your senses, the senses cannot deceive you. Otherwise the senses deceive you.

In a world which is just an appearance, they have deceived you to feel it as real. If you can look through the senses and remain alert, the world will by and by appear to you as illusory, dream-like, and you will be able to penetrate to the substance — to the very substance of it. That substance is the BRAHMAN.
 

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Дали уопште некој може, на македонски, убаво јасно и со свои зборови, да објасни како медитира?
 

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Дали уопште некој може, на македонски, убаво јасно и со свои зборови, да објасни како медитира?
Eve jas na primer slusajki go ova
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTO6_RwmXZs&feature=related
ja koristam tehnikata na Dmt
Vigyan Bhairav Tantra
“WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.”

You see through your eyes. Remember, you see THROUGH your eyes. Eyes cannot see; you see through them. The seer is hidden behind, the eyes are just the opening, just the windows. But we go on thinking that we see by the eyes; we go on thinking we hear by the ears. No one has ever heard by the ears. You hear THROUGH the ears, not BY the ears. The hearer is hidden behind. The ears are just receptive organs.

I touch you: I give you a loving touch, a handclasp. The hand is not touching you: I am touching you, through the hand. The hand is just instrumental, so there can be two types of touch — when I really touch you and when I just avoid touch. I can touch your hand and avoid touch. I may not be there in my hand, I may have withdrawn. Try this, and you will have a different, a distant feeling. Put your hand on someone and withdraw yourself. A dead hand is there, not you. And if the other is sensitive, he will feel a dead hand. He will feel insulted. You are deceiving; you are just showing that you are touching, and you are not touching.

Women are very sensitive about it; you cannot deceive them. They have a greater sensitivity of touch, of body touch, so they know. The husband may be talking beautiful things. He may have brought flowers and he may be saying, “I love you,” but his touch will show that he is not there. And women have an instinctive feeling when you are with them and when you are not with them. It is difficult to deceive them unless you are a master. Unless you are a master of your own self, you cannot deceive them. But a master would not like to become a husband, that is the difficulty.

Whatsoever you say will be false; your touch will show it. Children are very sensitive, you cannot deceive them. You may pat them, but they know that this is a dead pat. If your hand is not a flowing energy, a loving energy, they know. Then it is just as if a dead thing is being used. When you are present in your hand in your totality, when you have moved, when your center of being has come to the hand, when your soul is there, then the touch has a different quality.

This sutra says that the senses are just doors, receiving stations, mediums, instruments, receptors. You are hidden behind. “WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.” While hearing music, don’t forget yourself in the ear, don’t lose yourself into the ear. Remember the awareness that is hidden behind. Be alert! While seeing someone… Try this. You can try it right now, looking at me. What is happening? You can look at me by the eyes, and when I say “by the eyes,” it means you are not aware that you are hidden behind the eyes. You can look at me through the eyes, and when I say “through the eyes,” then the eyes are just in between you and me. You are standing there behind the eyes, looking through the eyes, just as if someone looks through a window or specs.

Have you seen some clerk in a bank looking from above his specs? The specs have slipped down on his nose, and he looks. Just look that way at me, towards me, as if you are looking from above your eyes, as if the eyes have slipped down a little on your nose and you are standing behind looking at me. Suddenly you will feel a change in the quality. Your focus changes; eyes become just doors. This becomes a meditation.

When hearing, just hear through the ears and remain aware of your inner center. When touching, just touch through the hand and remember the inner one who is hidden behind. From any sense you can have a feeling of the inner center, and every sense goes to the inner center. It has to report. That is why, when you are seeing me and you are hearing me, when you see me through the eyes and you hear me through the ears, deep down within you know that you are seeing the same man whom you are also hearing.

If I have some body odor your nose will smell it. Then three different senses report to one center. That is why you can coordinate. Otherwise it will be difficult: if your eyes see and your ears hear, it will be difficult to know whether you are hearing the same man whom you are seeing or two different ones, because these two senses are different and they never meet. Your eyes have never known about your ears and your ears have not heard about your eyes. They don’t know each other, they have never met; they have not even been introduced.

So how does everything become synthetic? Ears hear, eyes see, hands touch, the nose smells, and suddenly somewhere inside you know that this is the same man that you are hearing and seeing and touching and smelling. This knower is different from the senses. Every sense reports to this knower, and in this knower, in the center, everything falls, fits and becomes one. This is miraculous.

I am one, outside you. I am one! My body and body’s presence, my body odor, my speaking, are one. Your senses will divide me. Your ears will report if I say something, your nose will report if there is some odor, your eyes will report if I can be seen and am visible. They will divide me into parts. But again, somewhere within you, I will become one. Where I become one within you is your center of being. That is your awareness, and you have forgotten it completely. This forgetfulness is the ignorance, and the awareness will open the doors for self-knowledge. And you cannot know yourself in any other way.

“WHEN VIVIDLY AWARE THROUGH SOME PARTICULAR SENSE, KEEP IN THE AWARENESS.” Remain with the awareness; keep in the awareness; remain alert. It is difficult in the beginning. We go on falling asleep, and it seems arduous to look through the eyes. It is easy to look “by” the eyes. In the beginning you will feel a certain strain — if you try to look through the eyes. Not only will you feel a strain; the person you look at will also feel a strain.

If you look at someone through the eyes, he will feel as if you are trespassing upon him, as if you are doing something unmannerly. If you look through the eyes, the other will become aware suddenly that you are not behaving properly, because your look will become piercing, your look will go deeper. If it comes from your depth, it will penetrate to the other’s depth. That is why society has a built-in security: don’t look too deeply into anyone unless you are in love. If you are in love, you can look deeply into the other; you can penetrate to the very depth because the other is not afraid. The other can be naked, totally naked, the other can be vulnerable, the other can be open to you. But ordinarily, if you are not in love, you are not allowed to see directly, to see penetratingly.

In India, a person who looks in such a way, penetratingly at someone, is called a LUCHCHA. A LUCHCHA means a seer. The word LUCHCHA comes from LOCHAN; LOCHAN means eyes, and LUCHCHA means one who has become eyes towards you. So don’t try it on someone you don’t know; he will think you are a LUCHCHA.

First try with objects — a flower, a tree, the stars in the night. They will not feel trespassed upon and they will not object. Rather, they will like it and will feel very good and appreciated. First try with them, then with loving persons — your wife, your child. Sometimes take your child into your lap and look at him through the eyes, and the child will understand. He will understand more than anyone else because he is still uncrippled by the society, still unperverted, still natural. He will feel deep love if you look through the eyes; he will feel your presence.

Look at your lover or beloved, and then only, by and by, as you get the feel of it and as you become more artful about it, you will be able to look at anyone — because then no one will be able to know that someone has looked so deeply. And once you have this art of standing always alert behind your senses, the senses cannot deceive you. Otherwise the senses deceive you.

In a world which is just an appearance, they have deceived you to feel it as real. If you can look through the senses and remain alert, the world will by and by appear to you as illusory, dream-like, and you will be able to penetrate to the substance — to the very substance of it. That substance is the BRAHMAN.
Ova e sega vo momentov :)
Inaku posle ke si legnam i moze ke probam nekoja vo stilot
na Zen monasite - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan
I ke zamislam kako bi zvucel aplauzot samo so edna raka :)
Meditacijata mislat lugevo deka e nekoe mantranje vo stilot
ram, ram, ram .....hare krishna i slicno.
Ima i takov metod na forsirano ukutuvanje na mislite -
transcendentalna meditacija, ama nikad ne mi bila po kef :)
 

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Eve jas na primer slusajki go ova
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTO6_RwmXZs&feature=related
ja koristam tehnikata na Dmt

Ova e sega vo momentov :)
Inaku posle ke si legnam i moze ke probam nekoja vo stilot
na Zen monasite - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan
I ke zamislam kako bi zvucel aplauzot samo so edna raka :)
Meditacijata mislat lugevo deka e nekoe mantranje vo stilot
ram, ram, ram .....hare krishna i slicno.
Ima i takov metod na forsirano ukutuvanje na mislite -
transcendentalna meditacija, ama nikad ne mi bila po kef :)
Реков на македонски и со свои зборови. И јасно. Постапно.
 

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Реков на македонски и со свои зборови. И јасно. Постапно.
Meдитацијата е contentless consciousness - Dhyana ;)
Нема што да се филозофира, имаш состојба - Dhyana....
И имаш методи за да се стигне до неа http://www.oshoworld.com/tantra_medi/index.asp
Не се од Ошо...не се плаши, стари се едно 5000 год. најмалку. :)
За состојбата е безполезно да се зборува, имај такво доживување, па ќе правиме муабет.
А техники имаш бајаги, за сите посебно немам намера да ти кажам.
 

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Meдитацијата е contentless consciousness - Dhyana ;)
Нема што да се филозофира, имаш состојба - Dhyana....
И имаш методи за да се стигне до неа http://www.oshoworld.com/tantra_medi/index.asp
Не се од Ошо...не се плаши, стари се едно 5000 год. најмалку. :)
За состојбата е безполезно да се зборува, имај такво доживување, па ќе правиме муабет.
А техники имаш бајаги, за сите посебно немам намера да ти кажам.
Океј. Кажи ја твојата. Со свои зборови.
 

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