Жестока Израелска офанзива во Газа

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Бомбардирана зграда на ОН во Газа
четврток, 15 јануари 2009




Израелската армија денеска навлезе во центарот на градот Газа. Со артилериски оган Израелците погодија седиште на Агенцијата на ОН за палестински бегалци при што се убиени неколку луѓе и ранети три лица






Во зградата се наоѓале околу 700 Палестинци кои таму нашле засолниште од бомбардирањата и уличните борби на Хамас и израелската војска.Точниот број на жртвите засега не е познат, ниту дали се дел од персоналот на Агенцијата или цивили.


повеќе на следниот линк


http://www.kirilica.com.mk/vest.asp?id=20245


што да кажам пак ќе с еповторма израел све прави намерно етничко чистење, и немојте да се чудите ако го волече светот во трета светска војна.
 
Nema sansi sega za regionalna vojna od takov razmer poradi faktot sto na nikoj ne mu odgovara a mozna e vojna so iran najverojatno izrael za dve do tri godini ke go unisti reaktorot busehr vo iran-isto kako sto napravi so iran 'no plasi najavata od hamas za iznenaduvanje koi mnogumina smetaat deka e soman nerven gas ili drug tip na hemisko oruzje):smir:
 
Еве една анализа.
Analysis: Fighting Hamas in the shadow of 2006's mistakes



The Israeli air strikes on Hamas targets in Gaza on Saturday mark only the beginning of an ongoing operation aimed at restoring long-term calm to the Kassam-battered South, Israel's leaders say. The policy of restraint, officials add, is over.

The goal, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Saturday night, is to put an end to more than seven years of "insufferable" rocket attacks and "indiscriminate terror."

Olmert was presumably seeking to differentiate from the failures of the war against Hizbullah in south Lebanon, two and a half years ago, when he stressed that this operation had been thoroughly planned and prepared. But the memory of that misstewarded resort to force looms large over this conflict.

And the key questions today include those that, it turned out, had not been effectively addressed when the first air assault on Hizbullah was ordered in July 2006: Are the goals clear and realistic? Do they provide for a viable exit strategy? And has the political and military leadership truly prepared for the complications, surprises and failures that surely lie ahead. One key difference: Hamas is plainly far less well equipped than Hizbullah was.

In contrast to 2006, Israel's leaders are not talking about destroying the enemy as an aim of this confrontation. But the ostensible aims of the "Cast Lead" operation amount to requiring Hamas not to behave like Hamas - not to fire into Israel or target Israeli civilians or soldiers; not to prepare for such attacks; not to store or smuggle in the material for such attacks. And that is not going to be achieved quickly.

Of course, Israel may choose to settle for less. But for now, it is adamant that long-term calm is the goal, no matter how prolonged or bitter the conflict that ultimately yields it.

For months, Israel has been refining its intelligence information on the key physical locations that are crucial to the rule of Hamas in the terror state that the Gaza Strip has become since the Islamist group seized power there in June 2007.

And rather than seeking to target the nimblest offshoots of that terrorist rule - the Kassam crews that set themselves up in residential Gaza neighborhoods, fire into Israeli residential areas and then quickly melt away - Israel has elected to shoot into the belly of the beast.

The first wave of Saturday's air strikes targeted Hamas training bases, military facilities, weapons stores and other locations used by the Hamas security apparatus; Hamas has some 15,000 armed men in the Strip, defense officials estimate.

In the second wave, targets included underground rocket-launch sites - where Hamas had readied rockets for remote-control fire. Other such sites, as well as weapons stores and factories, located near schools or on the lower floors of apartment blocks, were not touched. At this stage.

Defense Ministry officials, from Ehud Barak on down, were preparing the Israeli public Saturday for what they said was likely to be a difficult and lengthy period of confrontation ahead. Hamas is capable of firing 200 rockets and shells per day into the South, they said.

Hamas itself is threatening a further escalation in rocket fire - with missiles reaching to Beersheba - and the mobilization of a new wave of suicide bombers.

The word from the defense establishment on Saturday was that preparations were in place for an intensification of military action, with the potential use of ground forces, officials said. No major call-up of reserves was under way but, again, the preparations were in place should it be deemed necessary.

The international fallout, even amid the relative inattention of the Christmas-New Year period, began remarkably quickly, with a chorus of calls for Israeli restraint, including predictable fury in the Arab world and a vehement protest from France at Israel's ostensibly disproportionate response.

As the military operation unfolds, it will rapidly become clear whether Israel has made parallel diplomatic preparations, with articulate officials prepped and ready to highlight to the watching world how untenable the situation facing off against Hamastan has become, notably since Israel pulled all its civilians and all military infrastructure out of Gaza in 2005.

No matter how effectively Israel articulates its narrative, however, it would only take one misdirected attack, with heavy civilian casualties, to ensure a replication of the dramatic shift in international opinion that occurred early in the war against Hizbullah. After civilians were killed in the basement of a building hit by Israel, adjacent to a Katyusha launch zone in south Lebanon, a previously relatively supportive international community turned bitterly critical in an instant.

The longer the military operation goes on, the more strident the international criticism will become. Hamas, whose indifference to the deaths of fellow Palestinians was manifest when it killed many of them in seizing power in Gaza 18 months ago, will not easily succumb to Israel's demands. Will Israel succumb to those of the international community?

Olmert has relentlessly insisted that he was the man best placed to oversee the rehabilitation from 2006 - from a war mismanaged by an inexperienced prime minister, a defense minister (Amir Peretz) who was entirely unqualified for the job, and a chief of staff (Dan Halutz) who placed exaggerated confidence in the air force's capacity for destroying carefully protected underground infrastructure and a highly mobile Hizbullah fighting force.

We are now going to find out whether those lessons from the confrontation with Hizbullah - on military preparation, on the need for effective military-political coordination, on operating in an immensely complex regional and global context, and on setting realistic goals for the use of military force - were indeed carefully learned.
 
И нешто интересно.Напис за еден Израелски војник од муслиманска веросиповед.Припадник на Арапите кои живеат во Израел или Друзе.Чудно нели?
I don't think there's a more Zionist home in this country," says Samir Muadi. On a cold, gray afternoon, he's sitting in the dim, high-ceilinged hall of the Galilee Druse village of Yirka, rising to meet the end less stream of visitors who come to pay their respects on the death of his son. Cpl. Yousef Muadi, 19, was killed with two other Golani Brigade soldiers on January 5 by "friendly fire" - a tank crew fired a shell at an abandoned house in the Jabalya refugee camp, not knowing that Muadi, Maj. Dagan Wartman, St.-Sgt. Nitai Stern and other soldiers were taking cover inside.
"In the last moment of his life, he was a hero," said Samir, sniffling and smiling bravely. "Last night I got a call from his platoon leader, who's in the hospital, he was wounded badly. He told me that when the shell was fired, Yossi fell on top of him to protect him. The last thing Yossi told him was, 'I love you.' He said Yossi saved his life. "
Samir, 51, who is agricultural coordinator for the Civil Administration in the West Bank, is himself a Golani veteran. "It seems that every year I was doing reserve duty in that hellhole named Gaza," he says.
He had to pull strings to get his son into Golani, enlisting a Druse IDF colonel into the cause. "I told him that whatever he wanted to do, I would back him up, and Yossi didn't want paratroopers, tanks, nothing but Golani," says Samir. "He wanted to make a contribution to the country. He told me, 'You'll be proud of me yet.' When they were on the bus going into Gaza, he called me. He said, 'If we don't do it, who will?'"
The immediate family now lives in Haifa, but for centuries the seat of the Muadi extended family, one of the Druse community's largest, has been in Yirka. The ornate stone house where mourners are visiting is some 350 years old, says Wahid Muadi, Samir's brother. Over time, smaller homes have been built nearby; in all, seven Muadi families live in the compound. Driving up and down the old stone lanes and squares of Yirka, Peki'in and other Druse villages, seeing the solid old houses that have grown massive over the generations to accommodate the expanding extended families inside, you get the sense of a very close, traditional, proud community with very deep roots.
"We played a large part in the creation of the State of Israel," says Wahid, the family historian. The walls of the hall are lined with framed photos of white-bearded sheikhs and of historic moments in Israeli Druse history. "That's our grandfather, Sheikh Sa'id Muadi, signing an agreement with [Labor Zionist leader] David Hacohen in 1929," says Wahid, adding that this marked the beginning of Druse cooperation with the Jews against the Arab majority. "We did it out of fear - we were a small minority surrounded by the Arabs," he says.
Another photo shows his grandfather signing an agreement with Haifa Labor Party leader Abba Khoushy in 1936, at the start of the Arab Revolt. "Abba Khoushy brought 400 people from Hashomer Hatza'ir down here. My grandfather slaughtered 42 sheep for the occasion."
There are photos of Jabbar Muadi, a Knesset member from the 1950s through the 1980s, and of David Ben-Gurion sitting with family elders. A display case features family heirlooms such as Druse ornamental swords, a bust of Ben-Gurion, a telegram from Yitzhak Rabin and a proclamation from Ottoman Pasha Abdallah granting tax-collection authority to the Muadi family in 1827.
"It's no surprise my nephew died like he did," says Wahid. "He comes from a family of heroes."
AS A Druse, Yousef Muadi was ethnically an Arab whose religion was a variant of Islam. But nationally, he was an Israeli. His father refers to him as "Yossi." He was a member of an ethnic group that, as a whole, has sacrificed for the Jewish state, for the Zionist cause, out of all proportion to its numbers. The country's 100,000 Druse (not counting the 20,000 in the Golan Heights, who are loyal to Syria) are disproportionately represented in combat units, in the IDF professional ranks, in the Israel Police - on the country's front lines.
It was once said of Ariel Sharon that his definition of "who is a Jew" included "anyone who was in the Golani Brigade," and although Yousef Muadi was not a Jew, he definitely was a Zionist. In Israel, Druse are considered sort of honorary Jews because in the national struggle between Jews and Arabs, they're on the Jewish side. Their sons are subject to the compulsory military draft just like Jewish boys - the so-called "blood covenant" that the Druse community entered into in 1956.
However, this identification with the Jewish state is by no means unanimous. An Israeli Druse historian (who did not want to be identified, partly because of the sensitivity of this subject during wartime) noted that it is not uncommon for Druse boys to refuse the draft and go to prison. Sa'id Nafa, a Druse MK with the Arab party Balad (which the Central Elections Committee just banned from the upcoming elections for its allegedly seditious ideology) said he was repeatedly imprisoned for refusing the draft. "So were my four sons," says Nafa, 55, adding that six draft-age youth from his town, Beit Jann, were recently arrested by military police for draft resistance.
Disaffection with Israel and the IDF has been growing among young Druse over the last generation, and it is reflected in a growing number of draft resisters, say Nafa and the historian. Still, 83 percent of Druse boys continue to serve in the army, according to the IDF's statistics, so the resisters are far outnumbered.
This is the result of a process of "Israelization" of the Druse community beginning in 1956 with the "blood covenant" and acceptance of compulsory military service, says the historian, who served in the IDF's "Druse unit," which still operates. However, he disputes the "official" Israeli history, seconded by Druse leaders, that this covenant represented the will of the community at the time.
"There's history and there's mythology," he said, citing government archives from that era that tell a story of "manipulation" by government, army and some Druse leaders to give a false impression of assent to the military draft in the face of evidence of widespread opposition. The main reason, he insists, the Druse gradually embraced the idea of military service and ideological assimilation into the Zionist consensus was not ideological, but economic.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1231950855696&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
Еве и нов тренд се појавил: „Воен Туризам„
Доживејте ја војната од блиску, LIVE поради тоа што на телевизијата не е толку интересно.
израелците како да се отидени на пикник, чипс, пиење и се воодушевени од војната... и апелираат дека треба да се срамни градот со земјата, но не се многу големи фашисти, само малку. :kesa:
 
Според последните информации..примирјето е веќе прекршено во Газа, при повлекувањето Израелските трупи се ракетирани.
 
Ете ти беља...

Како викавме, банда без команда :)

Како што ми се чини Иран е на чекор да ја добие првата рунда....

Fatah and Other Terrorist Cells Boast: We Also Attacked Israelis

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129518

(IsraelNN.com) A Palestinian Authority terror group loyal to Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction, announced Monday that it launched attacks on Jewish cities and on IDF troops during the course of Israel's Operation Cast Lead. Other PA terrorist factions made similar boasts.
The organization's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades said that its members fired nearly 150 rockets and mortars at Jewish targets in the last three weeks. Fatah claimed that its members also took part in armed battles with Israeli troops, apparently alongside its rival for power, Hamas, as well as the Islamic Jihad terror group. The Abbas-led group claimed to have targeted IDF forces in Gaza with sniper fire and explosive charges.
Another PA terrorist organization that claimed to have taken part in recent attacks on Israeli troops was a relatively new faction calling itself Eagles of Palestine. The group is apparently independent of any of the larger veteran groups.
Also taking part in attacks on Jewish targets and clashes with the IDF were the fundamentalist Islamic Jihad terror group, the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) and the Hizbullah-Palestine organization. The latter terrorist faction claimed in a weekend statement that it sent three female fighters on a suicide mission against an Israeli army patrol near the former Jewish town of Netzarim, south of Gaza City.
Terrorists from Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as well as the PRC, all claimed to have fired rockets at Israeli towns in the south of the country in recent years.
On Sunday, Hamas announced a seven-day ultimatum in which it threatened further rocket attacks if Israeli troops do not withdraw from Gaza. According to the PA-based Ma'an news agency, elements from two unnamed PA factions "claimed to have launched projectiles at Israeli targets, both asserting that the acts were to confirm their right to resist the Israeli presence in Gaza."
А Иран го спрема Хамас за нови напади.
Iran Plans to Send Fajr Missiles for Future Gaza Attacks

by Hana Levi Julian
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129520

(IsraelNN.com) Iran has begun an internal probe to examine why the Gaza-based Hamas terrorist organization failed with its numerous rocket barrages to destroy southern Israeli communities or wound more IDF soldiers during Operation Cast Lead.
The Islamic Republic, which has underwritten the cost of training and arming most of Gaza's terrorists, announced plans to ship long-range Fajr missiles into the region to resupply Hamas's depleted arsenal.
If fired from Gaza, Fajr missiles, with a range of 70 kilometers (43 miles), would be capable of reaching Tel Aviv and elsewhere in the Gush Dan central region.
According to intelligence sources, Tehran has already begun the process of building a new supply line to replenish depleted stocks of missiles and other materiel for Gaza terrorists.
However, it will be much harder for Hamas to "import" Iranian-produced Fajr missiles, since they are much larger than the long-range Grad rockets they have used to attack southern Israel until now.
The Fajr missile measures 10 meters (33 feet) in length, as opposed to the 2-meter (6.56-ft) Grad rocket. Short-range, locally-manufactured Kassam rockets are even smaller, although they create just as much damage within their 10-kilometer (6 miles) range of attack.
According to the IDF, soldiers have destroyed more than 80 percent of the smuggling tunnels under the Philadelphi Corridor that runs the length of Gaza's border with Egypt.
Hamas currently is left with less than 1,000 of the 3,000 rockets and missiles it had at the start of Operation Cast Lead, a supply it is trying to replenish through smuggling by sea routes as well as through those tunnels that still remain undamaged.
The terrorist group fired more than 600 of the rockets at southern Israel during the course of the military campaign, and the IDF destroyed an additional 1,200. However, there are still several dozen Grad-type Katyusha rockets left in the Hamas arsenal, said intelligence sources, in addition to the hundreds of other shorter-range rockets that are easily manufactured within Gaza's borders.
Government officials have said that smuggling of arms by Hamas into Gaza would be reason enough to resume military operations against terrorist groups in the region.

Како и да е прашање е сега како ќе изигра Израел. Јас мислам дека ќе идат на помирна варијанта, освен ако не се ептен загрозени. Во секој случај, за новите залихи е потребно време, тунелите се воглавном уништени и ќе помине време додека Хамас не застане на нозе. Но ќе видиме како ќе се движи ситуацијата.

Но еве таман спомнав стигнуе нова вест...Иран се осоколи...


US-Egyptian Red Sea hunt for Iranian ship carrying 60 tons of arms for Hamas
US and Egyptian warships were scouring the Gulf of Aden and Red Sea Tuesday, Jan. 20 to waylay an Iranian freighter carrying scores of heavy rockets for delivery to Hamas. DEBKAfile's exclusive sources report they were acting on intelligence that a ship loaded with an estimated 60 tons of arms to replenish Hamas' depleted war stocks had set out from the Iranian Persian Gulf port of Bandar Abbas on Jan. 17.

Our sources reveal that the arms-smuggling vessel started its voyage as the Iran-Hedayat and changed its name in mid sea to Famagustus registered to Panama. The captain was ordered by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to unload its cargo at a smugglers cove on the southeastern coast of Sinai opposite the Gulf of Suez, to be picked up by armed Bedouin gangs and moved to El Arish in northern Sinai. From there the contraband rockets were to be slipped gradually into the Gaza Strip.
The cargo consists of 50 Fajr rockets whose range is 50-75 km, scores of heavy Grad rockets, new, improved launchers whose angle of fire can be precisely adjusted, tons of high-quality explosives, submachine guns, rifles and pistols and armor-piercing missiles and shells (of types used successfully by Hizballah against Israeli tanks in 2006).

The shipment, the largest Tehran has ever consigned to the Palestinian Hamas in Gaza, includes also a large number of anti-personnel and anti-vehicle mines, equipment for assembling roadside bombs and advanced communications and night vision gear.

(The Palestinian Karin-A arms smuggling ship intercepted by Israel naval commandoes seven years ago carried 50 tons of arms for Fatah).
The Iranian ship aroused suspicions when Western spy satellites and surveillance stations spotted its change of registration after entering the Sea of Oman. Closer observation identified the cargo as a huge arms shipment.
Иран сфаќа дека не стојат добро со факторот време, сакаа да го искористат моментот кога другите групи барем декларативно се приклучија и побрзаа отворено да ги обноват залихите со оружје на Хамас. Малце ризичен чекор, ама доста би можел да е исплатлив.
 
Околу последнава вест за бродот со оружје,ме зачуди малку ептен ми изгледаше бомбастична и по малку просурфав..авториве на Дебка..
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Значчи нивните ,,сигурни извори,, како и веста не би ги зел за сериозно.
А за останатото точно некој може да си свати дека победил .Но она што највеќе ме плашеше.Хамас не е уништен а добива политичка моќ.Но ајде може и не сум во право па ке се покаже обратно.Искрено се надевав можеби дека се ке помине со воздушна операција и Фатах повторно во Газа ама....изгледа време е за предвремени избори во Израел.
 
Види, не е далеку од умот дека Иран пак ќе ги вооружува Хамас. И да не е точна веста, Иран знае дека мора бргу да делува. Јаловата поддршка што ја доби Хамас, може брзо да избледи ако конфликтот се замрзне, дека Палестинците и те како ги памтат нивните злодела.
 
А ни на крај памет не ми беше да помислам дека ке пробаат радикалните кругови во Иран да го снабдат Хамас но овака аматерски не верувам.Поентата ми беше тоа.

А инаку дали ке избледе поддршката не знам.Знам дека ништо не избледува во тој конфликт.Искрено се надевам,но сепак мојот став е дека во моментов Израел го водат погрешни луѓе.
 
Види, не е далеку од умот дека Иран пак ќе ги вооружува Хамас. И да не е точна веста, Иран знае дека мора бргу да делува. Јаловата поддршка што ја доби Хамас, може брзо да избледи ако конфликтот се замрзне, дека Палестинците и те како ги памтат нивните злодела.
Според тоа што го гледам Иран не ни прекинал да го вооружува Хамас.Моменталната радикална гарнитура во Иран добива на рејтинг со тоа,бидејќи за некој месец се одржуваат избори таму,а на Катами му расте популарноста.Од тоа што го гледам на арапските тв,воената инфраструктура на Хамас во Газа е разорена,тоа е неспорно,но загрижува фактот што популарноста на Хамас и уште поголемиот гнев кон Израел се пораснати.Де факто политичкото влијание Хамас сеуште го има,а времето ќе покаже дали се спроведени целите на Израел во операцијата во целост.Во Израел пак исто следуваат избори,а опозиционата Ликуд беше главен фаворит на нив пред операцијата во Газа,но сето тоа може да смени после неа.Мое мислење е целта на Израел да се смени политичката власт во Хамас тешко дека ќе се исполни,единствено тоа може да биде некаква коалиција со Фатах,што во овој момент е поверојатно.
 

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