Нуклеарна војна, и загрижувачкиот тренд на неразбирање на последиците од истата
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Прв пат слушам. Зафатен сум деновиве и еден куп работи сум пропуштил (дури и она со пропаѓањето на банките и почетокот на економскиот колапс).
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Let's Have A Look At B-52's Mission Over The Baltics And Close To Russia Yesterday
During its sortie the B-52 got closer to St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad than ever seen before on flight tracking websites. On Mar. 12, 2023, one of the
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Тоа со банките мене повеќе ме загрижува. Големиве на светов ќе му исценираат нова голема депресија и ете конечно може да почне 3та светска војна. Веќе на пола пат се со планот да се прикаже дека на светов има недостаток од храна и дека ваљда ќе треба да се намали човештвово. Секако тоа ќе се случи со "хуман геноцид" преку "случајна светска војна" .Прв пат слушам. Зафатен сум деновиве и еден куп работи сум пропуштил (дури и она со пропаѓањето на банките и почетокот на економскиот колапс).
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Let's Have A Look At B-52's Mission Over The Baltics And Close To Russia Yesterday
During its sortie the B-52 got closer to St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad than ever seen before on flight tracking websites. On Mar. 12, 2023, one of the
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Мислам дека краткорочно гледано, нема да има ништо големо на економски план. Дека некогаш мора да се случи - мора, ама сеуште имаат контрола и едноставно не им одговара моментов со актуелниве геополитички настани... Се разбира и спротивното е исто толку веројатно, којзнае што друго се дешава без да знаеме.
Туку има и други моменти што загрижуваат, на пример настани што може да се протолкуваат како нуклеарен напад и да испровоцираат нуклеарна војна. На пример се зборува дека месецов наводно имало соларна ерупција на „Carrington level“. За среќа од другата страна на сонцето, не на страната што свртена кон земјата. Таква ерупција е доволно силна за уништување на телекомуникации, електродистибутивна мрежа и секаква техника и опрема, на страната од планетата која е во моментот свртена кон Сонцето. Такви ерупции се случуваат ретко ама се случуваат. Последен забележан историски пример е од 19-ти век.
Не можев да најдам ништо конкретно, освен ова долу кое не знам дали е поврзано:
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Поентата е што тогаш во моментот локално нема да има телекомуникации и може настанот да се протолкува како EMP напад. И да се деси ескалација и враќање на непостоечки напад.
Туку има и други моменти што загрижуваат, на пример настани што може да се протолкуваат како нуклеарен напад и да испровоцираат нуклеарна војна. На пример се зборува дека месецов наводно имало соларна ерупција на „Carrington level“. За среќа од другата страна на сонцето, не на страната што свртена кон земјата. Таква ерупција е доволно силна за уништување на телекомуникации, електродистибутивна мрежа и секаква техника и опрема, на страната од планетата која е во моментот свртена кон Сонцето. Такви ерупции се случуваат ретко ама се случуваат. Последен забележан историски пример е од 19-ти век.
Не можев да најдам ништо конкретно, освен ова долу кое не знам дали е поврзано:
Sun Releases Strong Solar Flare – Solar Cycle 25
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Поентата е што тогаш во моментот локално нема да има телекомуникации и може настанот да се протолкува како EMP напад. И да се деси ескалација и враќање на непостоечки напад.
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Такви проекции има само една група на луѓе у моментов на земјава, а тоа се оние кои владеат со колективниот запад. Неоконс, окултна олигархија, длабока држава....кажи ги како сакаш. Нивната филозофија на размислување е милитантна и нивните цели сакаат да ги стекнат преку WW3 против Русија и Кина. А наградата за нив е Сибир.
Ова го зборам година дена, може некој мисли дека е сулуда идеја која нивните мали мозочиња у стаклено ѕвоно не ни можат да ја замислат, ама сé не води натака. Од напуштањето на ABM и инсталацијата на противракетен штит на САД у Европа до напуштањето на INF и како за крај ова со Украина, каде Русија е директно нападната од САД. Русија не е сама у ова и гледаме ескалација и со Кина, така да војнава ќе биде на два фронта. Англо-саксонската доминација со светов доаѓа при крај и како тоа се случува така повеќе побеснуваат. И како ќе им се руши цел систем така се повеќе сулуди одлуки ќе донесуваат, и како што се покажале низ историјата дека кур ги боли за луѓето и едноставно кажано немаат ни една света работа, можеме да претпоставиме што ќе се случи.
Да веруваме у доброто, и да веруваме дека барем еден паметен ќе се најде што нема да не отера 5000 год. на назад.
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Ако толку се глупи цел свет да падне во телекомуникациски мрак и да мислат дека е саботажа или напад со ЕМП не заслужуваме ни да живееме.
Башка сигурно уште имаат аналогни линии на комуникација што ваљда нема да бидат погодени од ова.
Нострадамус истово го кажува на сличен начин со исти последици. Башка и напоменува за богатствата од Сибир што ќе го одведат светот во хаос.
Башка сигурно уште имаат аналогни линии на комуникација што ваљда нема да бидат погодени од ова.
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Тесла ли беше што рекол дека третата светска војна ќе почне како конвенционална а ќе заврши како нуклеарна а четвртата ќе биде со камења и стапови ?
Нострадамус истово го кажува на сличен начин со исти последици. Башка и напоменува за богатствата од Сибир што ќе го одведат светот во хаос.
Последно уредено:
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„The Carrington Event sparked a huge geomagnetic storm that wreaked havoc with technology. Earth fell silent as telegraph communications around the world failed. “
Според искуствата од 1859-та, тогаш изгореле дебели телеграфски кабли. Денес со поефикасни стандарди се употребуваат потенки кабли. Па сега ти види.
На страна што дури и без нуклеарна војна тоа би бил скоро па апокалиптичен настан. Ќе се прекине ланецот на достава и трговија со храна, ќе го снема платежниот систем освен кеш (а кој чува многу кеш дома). Итн. Но главниот проблем за кој зборуваме е дека во таква хипотетична ситуација во моментот некој локален офицер (на нуклеарните силоси) ќе одлучува, и без основни информации дека се десил solar flare а не EMP напад. Во ситуација кога САД ти симулираат нуклеарни напади врз Санкт Петерсбург, Русија... Свашта е можно, за жал.
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Russia To Complete Infrastructure For Poseidon-Capable Nuclear Submarine Fleet By 2024
Russia's TASS news agency reported this week that, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, infrastructure development plans for updated Pacific fleet nuclear submarine operations are set to be completed in early 2024. Pacific operations, once considered a long neglected element of Russia's navy, have been undergoing a revamp since 2015 under orders from the Kremlin. The completion of base improvements coincides with the reported deployment of Russia's new Poseidon super torpedoes, which were also commissioned in 2015.
Though TASS is often accused of acting as a propaganda platform for the Russian government, developments on the Poseidon torpedo are confirmed by multiple sources including the US Department of Defense and Congress.
The first delivery of Poseidon torpedoes was officially announced in January of 2023, and dummy rounds were tested in the arctic around the same time period. The weapons, which some sources refer to as “terrifying Apocalypse torpedoes” are 65ft long, though estimates greatly vary on the nuclear yield of the weapons. Some experts argue the Poseidon could carry a 2 megaton warhead, others argue that it is capable of carrying up to a 100 megaton yield. A 2 megaton warhead would be 100 times the explosive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.
But what makes the Poseidon more dangerous than the average nuke? Data on the device is limited, but the torpedoes are suspected to be a mixture of missile and drone technology. They carry a nuclear powered propulsion engine and can travel 80 miles per hour underwater (making countermeasures difficult). To give a sense of the speed, the average US nuclear submarine travels around 30 miles per hour (complete details are top secret), and the average US sub torpedo travels at around 57 miles per hour. In other words, catching and killing a Poseidon torpedo would be almost impossible.
The Poseidon system functions essentially as a fast roaming autonomous underwater nuke which can stalk an enemy coast for long distances until it is ordered to strike a particular target.
The Poseidon is not considered a first-strike weapon because of its design, but is instead meant to act as a post-attack trump card. Meaning, even if a large number of Russian nuclear launch facilities were destroyed in a first strike, and even if Russian subs were countered, Russia would still have the Poseidon torpedoes traveling under the oceans waiting to hit targets in an evolving battle-space, acting independently of their submarine fleet. By extension, if US or European defenses improved to intercept standard ICBMs, the Poseidon would still be able to deliver nuclear payloads to coastal targets.
That said, there is first strike potential for the weapons given their speed and the relative difficulty of defense against them. They can be used, not as a direct strike system, but as an indirect system by exploding just off the coast of a target city, creating a 500 foot radioactive tidal wave. They can also be used as a cavitation weapon that wipes out entire carrier battle-groups.
US Defense Department estimates suggest that Russia is constructing or refitting at least four nuclear subs to carry the large torpedoes, and that at least 30 Poseidons are being built. The latest news of the coming completion of infrastructure for Pacific bases suggests these preparations are almost finished.
With the war in Ukraine continuing unabated and the country acting as a veritable proxy for NATO, the question of nuclear conflict between the West and Russia has been entertained often. While it's unlikely that a nuclear exchange would benefit either side in any measurable way, the potential is ever present. With Belarus apparently ready to establish Russian tactical nuke sites within their borders this year and Vladimir Zelensky admitting this week that Ukraine is “out of ammo”, one has to wonder how the conflict will escalate in the coming months.
Russia's TASS news agency reported this week that, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, infrastructure development plans for updated Pacific fleet nuclear submarine operations are set to be completed in early 2024. Pacific operations, once considered a long neglected element of Russia's navy, have been undergoing a revamp since 2015 under orders from the Kremlin. The completion of base improvements coincides with the reported deployment of Russia's new Poseidon super torpedoes, which were also commissioned in 2015.
Though TASS is often accused of acting as a propaganda platform for the Russian government, developments on the Poseidon torpedo are confirmed by multiple sources including the US Department of Defense and Congress.
The first delivery of Poseidon torpedoes was officially announced in January of 2023, and dummy rounds were tested in the arctic around the same time period. The weapons, which some sources refer to as “terrifying Apocalypse torpedoes” are 65ft long, though estimates greatly vary on the nuclear yield of the weapons. Some experts argue the Poseidon could carry a 2 megaton warhead, others argue that it is capable of carrying up to a 100 megaton yield. A 2 megaton warhead would be 100 times the explosive power of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.
But what makes the Poseidon more dangerous than the average nuke? Data on the device is limited, but the torpedoes are suspected to be a mixture of missile and drone technology. They carry a nuclear powered propulsion engine and can travel 80 miles per hour underwater (making countermeasures difficult). To give a sense of the speed, the average US nuclear submarine travels around 30 miles per hour (complete details are top secret), and the average US sub torpedo travels at around 57 miles per hour. In other words, catching and killing a Poseidon torpedo would be almost impossible.
The Poseidon system functions essentially as a fast roaming autonomous underwater nuke which can stalk an enemy coast for long distances until it is ordered to strike a particular target.
The Poseidon is not considered a first-strike weapon because of its design, but is instead meant to act as a post-attack trump card. Meaning, even if a large number of Russian nuclear launch facilities were destroyed in a first strike, and even if Russian subs were countered, Russia would still have the Poseidon torpedoes traveling under the oceans waiting to hit targets in an evolving battle-space, acting independently of their submarine fleet. By extension, if US or European defenses improved to intercept standard ICBMs, the Poseidon would still be able to deliver nuclear payloads to coastal targets.
That said, there is first strike potential for the weapons given their speed and the relative difficulty of defense against them. They can be used, not as a direct strike system, but as an indirect system by exploding just off the coast of a target city, creating a 500 foot radioactive tidal wave. They can also be used as a cavitation weapon that wipes out entire carrier battle-groups.
US Defense Department estimates suggest that Russia is constructing or refitting at least four nuclear subs to carry the large torpedoes, and that at least 30 Poseidons are being built. The latest news of the coming completion of infrastructure for Pacific bases suggests these preparations are almost finished.
With the war in Ukraine continuing unabated and the country acting as a veritable proxy for NATO, the question of nuclear conflict between the West and Russia has been entertained often. While it's unlikely that a nuclear exchange would benefit either side in any measurable way, the potential is ever present. With Belarus apparently ready to establish Russian tactical nuke sites within their borders this year and Vladimir Zelensky admitting this week that Ukraine is “out of ammo”, one has to wonder how the conflict will escalate in the coming months.
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Yeah... and from what I've read is that its main scary feature is not how fast it can go... but how slow.
Apparently it has a "creeping" mode, where it travels at walking speed, a few miles an hour, during which it is completely undetectable. It can "creep" towards its target this way for months and then when it's close enough it "engages the warp drive" for that 80mph dash which makes it light up on all detectors but you can do f-all to stop it.
A real bastard of a vengeance weapon, tbf. Revenge is a dish best served cold - I'd bet the Russians invented that expression. Imagine, war is over, you win you lose, there's peace, doesn't matter - months pass by, you wonder whether some got launched, where they are, perhaps they'd arrive by now, they'd sure arrive by now... You finally start relaxing and then...
Yeah... and from what I've read is that its main scary feature is not how fast it can go... but how slow.
Apparently it has a "creeping" mode, where it travels at walking speed, a few miles an hour, during which it is completely undetectable. It can "creep" towards its target this way for months and then when it's close enough it "engages the warp drive" for that 80mph dash which makes it light up on all detectors but you can do f-all to stop it.
A real bastard of a vengeance weapon, tbf. Revenge is a dish best served cold - I'd bet the Russians invented that expression. Imagine, war is over, you win you lose, there's peace, doesn't matter - months pass by, you wonder whether some got launched, where they are, perhaps they'd arrive by now, they'd sure arrive by now... You finally start relaxing and then...
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Why Is the US Wiring Ukraine With Radiation Sensors to Detect Nuclear Blasts? | naked capitalism
US officials tell the NYT the system will be able to determine who was responsible for an attack, but the details are sketchy.
Why Is The US Wiring Ukraine With Radiation Sensors To Detect Nuclear Blasts?
The New York Times had quite the interesting piece buried in its science section on April 28. Titled “U.S. Wires Ukraine With Radiation Sensors to Detect Nuclear Blasts,” it claims sensors “can detect bursts of radiation from a nuclear weapon or a dirty bomb and can confirm the identity of the attacker.” More:
First off, what would possibly be the Russian rationale for using nuclear weapons?
They’re winning in Ukraine, and the West is running out of ammo.
Second, about those “experts.” To expand on their worries, the Times links to an October piece titled “Russia’s Small Nuclear Arms: A Risky Option for Putin and Ukraine Alike.” In it, we get this:
So the experts are anonymous. Who is running this operation? The Nuclear Emergency Support Team (NEST), which is the Nation Nuclear Security Administration’s arm that deals with emergency response functions. The Times also notes the following:
The Times’ April 28 piece gets more bonkers from there. There’s this:
So Russia would conduct a false-flag operation in order to risk accomplishing what Kiev would want to accomplish with its own false flag?
Again, what would Moscow have to gain? It’s steadily winning the war and depleting western stockpiles.
But for the inhabitants of the alternate universe where Russia is on its last legs it all makes perfect sense. Speaking to that audience, the Times again invokes “nuclear experts” and “western experts” who are presumably the same aforementioned anonymous officials, and they put an ominous spin on Ukraine’s coming counteroffensive:
One of the many alarming aspects of all this is that these “experts” certainly must know that the idea “that Russia’s battlefield failures are making Mr. Putin, if anything, more dependent on his nuclear arsenal” is complete fantasy, yet they’re peddling it anyways. Why? That’s an ominous thought.
Russia was warning NATO back in October that Ukraine might detonate a “dirty bomb” and blame Moscow. Washington, Paris, and London dismissed it all as “transparently false.” Instead the West has continued to insist that Moscow might do so. The Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence state that Russia would not use a nuclear weapon of any kind unless the country is attacked using weapons of mass destruction or faces a conventional attack so severe it threatens the country’s existence.
Could Kiev create a dirty bomb? The US GAO admits it’s not hard to find the materials and build a dirty bomb. Ukraine returned all its Soviet-era nuclear weapons to Russia in the 1990, but still has stockpiles of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium. Dirty bombs can also be made out of byproducts from nuclear power plants of which Ukraine has several. According to Russia, it would be no problem for Kiev to build such a weapon:
The Times’ piece has virtually no information on what the deployed sensors actually do. Presumably they would detect radiation and then a forensics team would try to determine the origin of the weapon. Thing is, there are already institutions for that.
The European Radiological Data Exchange Platform, which monitors radiation levels, already covers Ukraine. According to its website, it “consists of data exchange mechanism and presentation website for radiological monitoring data which is collected and shared by 39 participating countries in almost REAL TIME.” But it is not a rapid alert system, and while the EU has one of those, it only covers member states.
The IAEA, on the other hand has its EMERCON system for radiological or nuclear emergencies and which does cover Ukraine. And the IAEA can help prepare for the investigation into a nuclear incident:
Additionally, the IAEA notes that there are international organizations that provide various forms of nuclear forensic support, including the Global Initiative to Combat Nuclear Terrorism, INTERPOL, and the Nuclear Forensics International Technical Working Group. But the US apparently does not want to rely on these international institutions.
The US is apparently going with its own team. So should such a weapon be used in Ukraine, would the US Nuclear Emergency Support Team be able to determine who did it? It’s hard to tell – but probably not with any certainty.
The Times piece has few details on how the process works, saying only that it developed rapidly after 9/11, has some secrets, and “its outlines are publicly known.”
The Times then links back to two articles – one from 2004 and another from 2006. They’re fairly similar and both describe the process of identification this way:
While tracking a missile from the blastoff point is not difficult, tracking unconventional devices, such as a dirty bomb that uses ordinary explosives to spew radioactivity, can be a major challenge. Both articles described “federal experts” participating in drills to establish the origin of a weapon. From the 2004 piece:
While hyping that apparent success, the 2004 piece noted that success was only partial. The Times also mentioned that there were numerous complexities involved that made attribution less of a sure thing, including “that knowing who made a bomb may say little about who detonated it.” And there’s this:
According to the IAEA, forensic investigations are rarely slam dunk cases:
Fig. 2
But American officials claimed in the Times articles from 2004 and 2006 that scientific advancements were being made in the US, which would make identification more accurate.
Have they advanced enough? And maybe the real question is, who would trust the US’ conclusion? Would it matter?
Dr. Jay C. Davis, a nuclear scientist who helped found the Pentagon’s part of the US effort to trace an explosion, told the Times back in 2004 that the identification effort would be crucial in ”dealing with the desire for instant gratification through vengeance.”
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Ова за жал мислам дека би била ескалација на која не може да си дозволат да не одговорат - и не по самарот туку по магарето... И понатаму господ да не чува сите.
