Assasini - кои всушност биле тие ?

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Но ти така велиш дека се спалени и дека ништо не е зачувано, бидејќи така напишал некој автор.
Како веруваш на некој автор дека ништо не останало?

Историја и Мистерија се блиски? Да, блиски се, се сложувам, но само за оној што не знае историја, блиски се и тоа премногу...
Но кога ќе се научи, кога ќе се истражува, кога ќе се има достапност до информации(кои за жал или не, не се достапни за секој) потребни за да се истражува, тогаш мистиката одмара... И може тогаш точно да се одлучи...

Всушност кога на крстоносците , неуки луѓе им изградија митови и легенди, одалечувајќи ги од историјата во која имаат контакти со тие асасини, што да се зборува понатаму ...
 
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Tie se nesto ko hadziritite mislam u sustina, oni vikale cim praies grevovi ne si vernik i mozes da go ubies, ako nekoj sultan ili seik se prai vernik a ne dava na sirotinja nevernik e, legitimna cel za atentat, posle soako praat saltanati i rituali ljudite, ako gresat odma chakijata, nema trt mrt sve da se potepa toa e, oni takvi bile demek cim gresis odma chakijata nema ama izvini jas ova ona sve toa da se ubie i oni taka praele...
 
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Но ти така велиш дека се спалени и дека ништо не е зачувано, бидејќи така напишал некој автор.
Како веруваш на некој автор дека ништо не останало?

Историја и Мистерија се блиски? Да, блиски се, се сложувам, но само за оној што не знае историја, блиски се и тоа премногу...
Но кога ќе се научи, кога ќе се истражува, кога ќе се има достапност до информации(кои за жал или не, не се достапни за секој) потребни за да се истражува, тогаш мистиката одмара... И може тогаш точно да се одлучи...

Всушност кога на крстоносците , неуки луѓе им изградија митови и легенди, одалечувајќи ги од историјата во која имаат контакти со тие асасини, што да се зборува понатаму ...
Знаеш кога за една информација сметаш дека е релвантна ... кога ја потврдуваат повеке документи и извори ... неможе да се одлучи за факти...фактите можат да се искажат само друже...ако нешто се одлучува значи има дилема дали е точно или не ондак неси сигурен ...значи не е така како што викаш...А како може да нема контакт кога факт е дека дејствувале во ист период во кој крстоносците поминувале во тие краишта и таму се наоѓале ???

--- надополнето ---

Tie se nesto ko hadziritite mislam u sustina, oni vikale cim praies grevovi ne si vernik i mozes da go ubies, ako nekoj sultan ili seik se prai vernik a ne dava na sirotinja nevernik e, legitimna cel za atentat, posle soako praat saltanati i rituali ljudite, ako gresat odma chakijata, nema trt mrt sve da se potepa toa e, oni takvi bile demek cim gresis odma chakijata nema ama izvini jas ova ona sve toa da se ubie i oni taka praele...
Камо среќа да ги има сега истите ја мислам дека би ја збришале целата влада :D до корен .... :) сите политичари :) ...
 

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Јас не кажав дека немало контакт помеѓу овие две групи... јас кажав дека неуки направија митови и легенди и вистинската историја официјално стана недостапна ... Заради малиот милион автори кои забегуваат на оваа тема...
Не си ме разбрал убаво...

Кога е потребно да се демистифицира, потребни се факти. Не е битно колку документи и колку извори ќе покажеш. СО ФАКТ ОДЛУЧУВАШ ШТО Е ТОЧНО ШТО НЕ!
Малку си се збунил ти во врска со фактите зошто се и како до нив изгледа.

П.С. Ги има и сега, но во друга форма... Сепак не сите списи и не сите биле убиени и заборавени во минатото...
 
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Не реков ја дека сите списи биле запалени тоа е нормално во спротивно немаше да знаеме ништо за нивната историја,нити пак велам дека сите биле убиени ... како што реков претходно тие што преживеале пребегале у индија...и се сложувам со тоа дека ги има и денеска.А околу фактите ... мислам дека ако повеке различни извори имаат иста содржина ондак тука нешто е вистинито...
 

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Myth : The word assassin is derived from the word hashish.

It is a common myth that the word assassin comes from the Arabic word haschishin for hashish user.

The story is that al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah used hashish to enlist the aid of young men into his private army known as assassins (aschishin - or follower of Hassan). One of the primary sources for this information comes from the writings of Marco Polo who visited the area in 1273, almost 150 years after the reign of Al-Hassan.

There are many conflicting facts and sources for this information.

In the early 11th century, al-Hassan became the head of the Persian sect of the Ismailians, a rather obscure party of fanatics which gained local power under his guidance. In 1090, al-Hassan and his followers seized the castle of Alamut, in the province of Rudbar, which lies in the mountainous region south of the Caspian Sea. It was from this mountain home that he obtained evil celebrity among the Crusaders as "the old man of the mountains", and spread terror through the Mohammedan world.[1]

In the account given by Marco Polo in "The Adventures [or Travels] of Marco Polo" it is told that "The Old Man kept at his court such boys of twelve years old as seemed to him destined to become courageous men. When the Old Man sent them into the garden in groups of four, ten or twenty, he gave them hashish to drink. They slept for three days, then they were carried sleeping into the garden where he had them awakened.

"When these young men woke, and found themselves in the garden with all these marvelous things, they truly believed themselves to be in paradise. And these damsels were always with them in songs and great entertainments; they; received everything they asked for, so that they would never have left that garden of their own will."

When the Old Man wished to kill someone, he would take a young man and tell him they could return to Paradise if they entered his service and followed his instructions or died in his service.

From this account it is farily clear that hashish was not the substance used. First, hashish is seldom prepared in a liquid form Hassan would drug young men with a substance which "cast them into a deep sleep" from which they could not be awakened. They were then carried to a beautiful secret garden which was impenetrable and unseen by any but those intended to be his haschishin. When they awoke in the garden, surrounded by beautiful naked women and boys, they were told that they were in Paradise. After a few hours of bliss, they were again made unconscious with the unknown substance. Awakening back in the presence of "The Old Man of the Mountain" they were told that he had given them this glimpse of Paradise and that they would go to Paradise if they entered his service and followed his instructions or died in his service. Thus, he recruited an army of assassins who were the first terrorist gang.

It is from this story that the connection between the words assassin and hashish is drawn. It is said that the word assassin comes from the Arabic word haschishin for hashish user. But Hassan and his followers didn't speak Arabic; they were Persians. Assassin comes from Hassassin -- a follower of Hassan.

Hassan, in fact, was a hashish prohibitionist. He argued that the Koran's ban on alcohol was a ban on all intoxicants, so his assassins were drug free terrorists. Except in the false Paradise where they were served wine as one of the joys of heaven. So, it is desire for alcohol not hashish that helped motivate the Assassins.

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David F. Duncan
At the same time, within the crusading-culture of a pre- and early-modern Europe, the Syrian
and Persian Nizaris took shape as Muslim mercenaries-cum-fanatics who murdered their victims
while high on opium or hashish. If this propagandist concoction of a 'stoned' assassin fails
to fit the complex reality of the discipline and training required for committing what was
always an explicitly political act, the popular notion of Nizaris as a community of killers
also denies their rich, multivalent culture.

FARHAD DAFTARY, The Assassin Legends: Myths of the Isma'ilis (I. B. Tauris & Co. Ltd: London,
1994), 213 pp.

"The Old Man kept at his court such boys of twelve years old as seemed to him destined to
become courageous men. When the Old Man sent them into the garden in groups of four, ten or
twenty, he game them hashish to drink [sic]. They slept for three days, then they were
carried sleeping into the garden where he had them awakened.

"When these young men woke, and found themselves in the garden with all these marvelous
things, they truly believed themselves to be in paradise. And these damsels were always with
them in songs and great entertainments; they; received everything they asked for, so that
they would never have left that garden of their own will."

And when the Old Man wished to kill someone, he would take him and say: 'Go and do this
thing. I do this because I want to make you return to paradise'. And the assassins go and
perform the deed willingly."
- Marco Polo - on his visit to Alamut in 1273

"Many scholars have argued, and demonstrated convincingly, that the attribution of the
epithet 'hashish eaters' or 'hashish takers' is a misnomer derived from enemies the Isma'ilis
and was never used by Moslem chroniclers or sources. It was therefore used in a pejorative
sense of 'enemies' or 'disreputable people'. This sense of the term survived into modern
times with the common Egyptian usage of the term Hashasheen in the 1930s to mean simply
'noisy or riotous'. It is unlikely that the austere Hasan-i Sabbah indulged personally in
drug taking."



"There is no mention of that drug [hashish] in connection with the Persian Assassins -
especially in the library of Alamut ('the secret archives')."

- Edward Burman, The Assassins - Holy Killers of Islam



from http://206.61.184.43/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1b.htm



"He goes on to state, that years passed by, and both his old school-friends found him out,
and came and claimed a share in his good fortune, according to the school-day vow. The Vizier
was generous and kept his word. Hasan demanded a place in the government, which the Sultan
granted at the Vizier's request; but discontented with a gradual rise, he plunged into the
maze of intrigue of an oriental court, and, failing in a base attempt to supplant his
benefactor, he was disgraced and fell. After many mishaps and wanderings, Hasan became the
head of the Persian sect of the Ismailians,--a party of fanatics who had long murmured in
obscurity, but rose to an evil eminence under the guidance of his strong and evil will. In
A.D. 1090, he seized the castle of Alamut, in the province of Rudbar, which lies in the
mountainous tract south of the Caspian Sea; and it was from this mountain home he obtained
that evil celebrity among the Crusaders as the old man of the mountains, and spread terror
through the Mohammedan world; and it is yet disputed where the word Assassin, which they have
left in the language of modern Europe as their dark memorial, is derived from the hashish, or
opiate of hemp-leaves (the Indian bhang), with which they maddened themselves to the sullen
pitch of oriental desperation, or from the name of the founder of the dynasty, whom we have
seen in his quiet collegiate days, at Naishapur. One of the countless victims of the
Assassin's dagger was Nizam ul Mulk himself, the old school-boy friend.



Omar Khayyam - as quoted in the Calcutta Review, No. 59, from Mirkhond's History of the
Assassins.







1 Omar Khayyam - as quoted in the Calcutta Review, No. 59, from Mirkhond's History of the
Assassins.


2 Edward Burman, The Assassins - Holy Killers of Islam


3 FARHAD DAFTARY, The Assassin Legends: Myths of the Isma'ilis (I. B. Tauris & Co. Ltd:
London, 1994), 213 pp


4 Marco Polo - on his visit to Alamut in 1273
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