Еве дел од разговорот помеѓу мене и Java Singh, авторот на книгата што ја посочив предходно:
- Supposedly this was connected with the regent degree ritual of the Bavarian Illuminati:
http://www.markdice.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135:skull-a-bones-connection-to-bavarian-illuminati-&catid=66:articles-by-mark-dice&Itemid=89
Is there any truth in this:
http://www.illuminatirex.com/illuminati-prince/ ?
Jeva Singh Dice is referring to the Lesser Regent Degree. Princeps, which was the highest degree of the Lesser Mysteries.
- So are they really connected?
Jeva Singh The skeleton symbolism in the antechamber is there, and it is supposed to remind the candidate that life on this earth is finite.
No, the Illuminati and the Skull and Bones are not connected.
I'm familiar with the Illuminati Rex site.
The artist who does these cartoons has a bit of a conspiratorial bent, athough not all of the material on the site is wrong.
Jeva Singh Josef Wages and I have helped him out with getting some of the facts straight.
Jeva Singh His conclusion "they promise to make members Gods on Earth who live like kings at the expense of others, who are kept in ignorance of the actually monetary, political, and social policies that affect us little slaves" is patently false.
- Yeah...there are some individuals who use this information to connect the order of skull and bones with Bavarian Illuminati and make their point that thy are a branch....that thy are connected.
Jeva Singh Skull and Bones is a Yale University thing, and I don't know much about them.
The skeleton is a common symbol of mortality, and the idea that we are all equal in death has never been rare or secret.
Jeva Singh But as an organization, they never saw the 19th century.
We know that the prohibitions of 1784/85 pretty much spelled the death blow the order and that it then clung on for another 3-7 years.
Jeva Singh The other thing to keep in mind is that Dice never looked at the primary sources, but secondary sources. He mentions Barruel, Robison, and Payson. Barruel and Robison only looked at material that had been published by the Bavarian government, but they did not do an archival study.
And Payon flat out plagiarized Barruel and Robison.
- So that's the only connection between Robison and Bavarian Illuminati - the materials that Bavarian government published?
Jeva Singh exactly. Those materials were reproductions of the archived materials. But these materials were edited and arranged to suit the purposes of the Bavarian govt.
Here's an excerpt of the translation of the Scottish Knight degree.
https://bavarianilluminati.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/scottish-knight-degree-excerpt/
- Thank you very much Mr. Java!