КУМРАНСКИТЕ ЗАПИСИ!

  • Креатор на темата Креатор на темата Bratot
  • Време на започнување Време на започнување
(1) 1 Enoch

Discovery of the "Lost Text"
"The Greek word pseudepigrapha is a Greek word meaning 'falsely superscribed,' or what we moderns might call writing under a pen name. The classification, 'OT Pseudepigrapha,' is a label that scholars have given to these writings."
- Craig A. Evans, Noncanonical Writings and New Testament Interpretation, (1992) p. 22

"The Book of Enoch is a pseudepigraphical work (a work that claims to be by a biblical character). The Book of Enoch was not included in either the Hebrew or most Christian biblical canons, but could have been considered a sacred text by the sectarians."
- Milik, Jazef. T., ed. The Books of Enoch: Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4

The Book of Enoch is "an ancient composition known from two sets of versions, an Ethiopic one that scholars identify as '1 Enoch', and a Slavonic version that is identified as '2 Enoch', and which is also known as The Book of the Secrets of Enoch. Both versions, of which copied manuscripts have been found mostly in Greek and Latin translations, are based on early sources that enlarged on the short biblical mention that Enoch, the seventh Patriarch after Adam, did not die because, at age 365, 'he walked with God' - taken heavenward to join the deity."
- Zecharia Sitchin, When Time Began

"I Enoch, also known as the Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch, is the oldest of the three pseudepigraphal books attributed to Enoch, the man who apparently did not die, but was taken up to heaven (Gen 5:24). The book was originally written in either Hebrew or Aramaic, perhaps both, but it survives in complete form only in Ethiopic (Ge'ez), and in fragmentary form in Aramaic, Greek (1:1-32:6; 6:1-10:14; 15:8-16:1; 89:42-49; 97:6-104), and Latin (106:1-18)."
"The materials in I Enoch range in date from 200 B.C.E. to 50 C.E. I Enoch contributes much to intertestamental views of angels, heaven, judgment, resurrection, and the Messiah. This book has left its stamp upon many of the NT writers, especially the author of Revelation."
- Craig A. Evans, Noncanonical Writings and New Testament Interpretation, (1992) p. 23

"Prior to the eighteenth century, scholars had believed the Book of Enoch to be irretrievably lost: composed long before the birth of Christ, and considered to be one of the most important pieces of Jewish mystical literature, it was only known from fragments and from references to it in other texts. James Bruce changed all this by procuring several copies of the missing work during his stay in Ethiopia. These were the first complete editions of the Book of Enoch ever to be seen in Europe."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

"The Book of Enoch remained in darkness until 1821, when the long years of dedicated work by a professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford were finally rewarded with the publication of the first ever English translation of the Book of Enoch. The Reverend Richard Laurence, Archbishop of Cashel, had labored for many hundreds of hours over the faded manuscript in the hands of the Bodleian Library, carefully substituting English words and expressions for the original Geez, while comparing the results with known extracts, such as the few brief chapters preserved in Greek by Syncellus during the ninth century."
- Andrew Collins, From the Ashes of Angels - The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race (1996) p. 21

"The original Aramaic version was lost until the Dead Sea fragments were discovered."
"The original language of most of this work was, in all likelihood, Aramaic (an early Semitic language). Although the original version was lost in antiquity, portions of a Greek translation were discovered in Egypt and quotations were known from the Church Fathers. The discovery of the texts from Qumran Cave 4 has finally provided parts of the Aramaic original. ...Humankind is called on to observe how unchanging nature follows God's will."
- Milik, Jazef. T., ed. The Books of Enoch: Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4

Enoch..
Animals in the second Dream-Vision
The second Dream-Vision in this section of the Book of Enoch is an allegorical account of the history of Israel, that uses animals to represent human beings and human beings to represent angels...

Sheep are the faithful; Rams are leaders; Herds are the tribes of Israel; Wild Asses are Ishmael, and his descendants including the Midianites; Wild Boars are Esau and his descendants, Edom and Amalek; Bears (Hyenas/Wolves in Ethiopic) are the Egyptians; Dogs are Philistines; Tigers are Arimathea; Hyenas are Assyrians; Ravens (Crows) are Seleucids (Syrians); Kites are Ptolemies; Eagles are possibly Macedonians; Foxes are Ammonites and Moabites;

Description of the Dream Visions

The book describes their release from the Ark along with three bulls white, red and black which are Shem, Japheth, and Ham in 90:9. It also covers the death of Noah described as the white bull and the creation of many nations:
"And they began to bring forth beasts of the field and birds, so that there arose different genera: lions, tigers, wolves, dogs, hyenas, wild boars, foxes, squirrels, swine, falcons, vultures, kites, eagles, and ravens" 90:10

The first part of this next section of the book seem to clearly describe the Maccabean revolt of 167 BC against the Seleucids. The following two quotes have been altered from their original form to make the meanings of the animal names clear.
"And I saw in the vision how the (Seleucids) flew upon those (faithful) and took one of those lambs, and dashed the sheep in pieces and devoured them. And I saw till horns grew upon those lambs, and the (Seleucids) cast down their horns; and I saw till there sprouted a great horn of one of those (faithful), and their eyes were opened.

And it looked at them and their eyes opened, and it cried to the sheep, and the rams saw it and all ran to it.
And notwithstanding all this those (Macedonians) and vultures and (Seleucids) and (Ptolemies) still kept tearing the sheep and swooping down upon them and devouring them: still the sheep remained silent, but the rams lamented and cried out. And those (Seleucids) fought and battled with it and sought to lay low its horn, but they had no power over it." 109:8-12

"All the (Macedonians) and vultures and (Seleucids) and (Ptolemies) were gathered together, and there came with them all the sheep of the field, yea, they all came together, and helped each other to break that horn of the ram." 110:16


nishto bez narodno....nishto bez Makedonsko...
p.s..
nekoj SHQIP da ne padne vo nesvest poradi orelot..
2mwmc7.jpg


Drachm_Eagle_o.jpg
Drachm_Eagle_r.jpg

Alexander the Great Eagle drachm, 4.0g, Amphipolis, Macedonia, c. 336-326 BC,
The images of the eagle and of the four Rivers of Heaven combined with the architectural signs of Jerusalem and Bethlehem were found in 1999 by the archeologists who were excavating the site of the Church of the Holy Martyrs at Tayibat al-Imam between the towns of Hamah (Epiphany) and Haleb (Aleppo) in Syria. The V century mosaic, which decorated the temple floor is unique, because it features the Great Eagle Rug symbols.
rf-theborder-5.jpg

The eagle with extended wings is rising above a mountain. The Rivers of Heaven are running out of the mountain. The deer, hurrying to the rivers of life illustrate the words of the psalm: ?Like the deer hurry to the source of water, so my soul aspires to God? (Ps. 42). The rivers and the figures of fishes and waterfowl symbolize the apostles' teaching of the New Testament. The eagle on the mountain is correlated with the liturgical image of the Lamb of God on the Throne. The peculiarity of the mosaic found in Syria consists in the fact that Jerusalem and Bethlehem were depictured on the floor of the temple and not on its walls. Besides, unlike in the composition of the Great Eagle Rug, the floor mosaic shows the Holy City above the eagle and the Rivers of Paradise (A. Zaqzuq - M. Piccirillo, The mosaic floor of the Church of the Holy Martyrs at Tayibat al-Imam - Hamah, in Central Syria, Studium Biblicum Franciscanum, Liber Annuus XLIX - 1999).

s14uah.gif

24az9z4.gif


auu..pa nie sme se znaele so Esenite...
toa xantikos,za koe gejcite vrska nemaat sto znaci..
Ksantika-Ксантика=kSaNadyuti=f. momentary flash , lightning
Josif Plaviot (flavius tikvi,rimjanite nemaat etimologija i vrska nemaat sto e flavius)...

33bpzdl.gif

herod si igral bukvalno so Esenite...
The Herodian Dynasty

Herod the Great

Below are five of Herod's wives and their children that are significant in Biblical studies. Herod had five other wives who were of minor importance. The purpose of this family tree is because most of the time when the New Testament mentions a male member of Herod the Greats family, it usually does so by the genric name of Herod. Therefore, there is often confession in indentifing the different Herods, because the biblical references are not of the same purpose.
9pm06p.gif

ovoj Herod mnogu bre Makedoniziran....

From Qumran to Rome.
The Life of Jesus after the Crucifixion
STAGE 3. "AND SO WE CAME TO ROME"
Part A: The Narrative
From 45 to 64 AD.
© 2006 Dr. Barbara Thiering

Introduction.

The third stage of the narrative, taking the history from 45 to 64 AD, is derived from the pesher of Acts 13:13 to 28:31, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocrypha,
and
sources on Roman history.

The Word-for-Word pesher of Acts which is the primary source will be supplied when the narrative is complete.

The last stage of the life of Jesus, from 45 to 64 AD, saw the conclusion of all that he had stood for, the establishment of a universal religion arising out of Judaism. It spoke the language of Greco-Roman culture, leaving behind the assumption of the superiority of Jews to Gentiles.
......

THE SCANDAL OF JESUS' DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE
Acts 16:9-15
Acts 17:10-13
1 Corinthians 7:10-15
Damascus Document 4:15- 5:5
Acts 15:3

In March of 50 AD, four years after his divorce became final, Jesus married again.
His bride was a young woman named Lydia, from the convent in Thyatira. :nesvest::nesvest::nesvest:
The women of the two female orders, Asher and Dan, were educated there.
Lydia was a "seller of purple",:nesvest::nesvest::nesvest: which meant that she held that women could be bishops wearing purple, and she took part in the promotion of women to that status.

The wedding took place in Philippi in Macedonia, .

Jesus waited three months in order that his bride should preserve the rule of abstinence after the first wedding, then in June 50 AD a conception took place.

A daughter was born in Berea in Macedonia in March 51 AD, as is shown through the pesher language of Acts 17:10-13.
:nesvest::nesvest::nesvest::nesvest:
For the conservative Essenes , this was nothing but polygamy. They did not recognize the divorce, and believed that Jesus was married to two women at once. They wrote a furious passage in the Damascus Document, in 4:15-5:5, saying that Jesus had committed one of the three serious sins, fornication. Calling Jesus Saw, (an initial Sadhe with the letter Waw attached, the initial of Saddiq the Righteous One), they said he was "caught in fornication twice by taking a second wife while the first is alive, although the principle of creation is, 'Male and female he created them' (Genesis 1:27)". They also quoted Deuteronomy 17:17 , that the prince "shall not multiply wives for himself". They had to admit, however, that King David, the admired ancestor of Jesus, had been a polygamist. They rationalised this problem with the assertion that King David had not read Deuteronomy, the sealed book of the Law, because it had been hidden in the ark and was not brought out until centuries later (2 Kings 22:8-20).

http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/Qumran_to_Rome/Narrative_QR3.html
 
1. Qumran is by no means the only source of historic evidence concerning the Essenes.
2. Philo of Alexandria dedicated a whole document to the wonderous healing powers and humanitarian attitudes of an Essene community called “The Therapeutae” located on the shoreline of Lake Mareotis close to Alexandria at a town with the same name (Therapeutae) after them.
3. Philo makes no mention of the age of the town but the location itself was regarded as a pilgrimage site for the wealthy of Alexandria for at least two hundred years prior to Philo.
4. Curiously, another site of the “The Therapeutae” both reported in ancient times and archeologically verified is Magnesia (derived from the Macedonian tribe name Magnetes) in the southeastern area of Thessaly.

5. Not surprisingly, it is the original source of the word and concept of the magnet which means literally "magnesian stone". It is also the mythical home of heroes Jason, Peleus and his son Achilles. The town of Magnesia is even older than Therapeutae and was a place of permanent settlement from at least 1,000 BCE.
6. It also places the Essenes as influential priests and healers in Macedonia leading up to the ascendancy of Alexander the Great. It might also explain the high esteem in which the Essenes were held by the “enlightened” "Greeks".
7. Interestingly, little historic work has been done to connect the obvious Aramaic root of the word “Essene” meaning healer and the Therapeutae ("Ancient Greek" implying healer). Possibly because such connections make it impossible to claim the Essenes being the “youngest” compared to the Pharisees and Sadducees.
8. There is also direct references and ancient historical evidence linking a class of Essene Jewish priests in the operation of a very large fully functional Jewish Temple at Leontopolis in Egypt, known to the ancients as “The Temple of Onias”.
9. While both Jewish and Christian scholars seek to remove any reference to this fully operational Essene run temple, it age is difficult to dispute. It was functioning as a Jewish Temple from at least 175 BCE.
10. But while some Biblical scholars are prepared to accept the existence of this historic site, most refuse to speak or acknowledge the existence of an even older Essene run Temple located on Elephantine Island, that through indisputable evidence ceased operation around 415 to 410 BCE and had been in operation for at least four hundred years prior.
11. It is because there are so many ancient references to the Essenes, that contemporary Biblical scholars are unable to deny their existence.
12. However, what they have managed to achieve is the reduction of their general historical footprint by reclassifying them as an assortment of non-related sounding names and theologies such as Therapeutae, esoteric sects, proto-essenes, essenes and others.
13. This had made the general position of Jewish Rabbinical scholars as the descendents of the Pharisees a much easier task by debating the merit of one alleged Essene community at a time, instead of a well organized, very ancient sect of Judaism.
14. Of course, the evidence when taken as a whole makes the Pharisee and Rabbinical position both absurd and untenable. It is therefore time to understand who exactly were the Essenes? and why they believed what they believed and did what they did?
...
http://one-faith-of-god.org/new_testament/apocrypha/essenes/essenes_0030.htm

Alexander Jannaeus

Alexander Jannaeus (also known as Alexander Jannai/Yannai), king of Judea from (103 BCE to 76 BCE), son of John Hyrcanus, inherited the throne from his brother Aristobulus, and appears to have married his brother's widow, Shlomtzion or "Shelomit", also known as Salome Alexandra, according to the Biblical law of Yibum ("levirate marriage"), although Josephus is inexplicit on that point.

His likely full Hebrew name was Jonathan; he may have been the High Priest Jonathan, rather than his great-uncle of the same name, who established the Masada fortress. Under the name King Yannai, he appears as a wicked tyrant in the Talmud, reflecting his conflict with the Pharisee party. He is among the more colorful historical figures despite being little known, however, outside specialized history. He and his widow (who became queen regnant after his death) had substantial impact on the subsequent development of Judaism and Christianity.

Civil war against the Pharisees



An avid supporter of the aristocratic priestly faction known as the Sadducees, his reign was constantly challenged by opponents, among them a brother with a rival claim to the throne, and the populist urban-based Pharisee party.

At the beginning of his reign Alexander Jannaeus halted the suppression of the Pharisees and the Sages for a while, under the influence of his wife Salome Alexandra (said to be the sister of the great Jewish sage Shimon ben Shetach). This gave him time and resources to increase his power and prestige by extending the territory under his rule through war and conquest. As his power grew, however, he enlisted foreign soldiers to suppress his own people and eliminate the Pharisees.

One year during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, Alexander Jannaeus, while officiating as the High Priest (Kohen Gadol) at the Temple in Jerusalem, demonstrated his support of the Sadducees by denying the law of the water libation. The crowd responded with shock at his mockery and showed their displeasure by pelting Alexander with the etrogim (citrons) that they were holding in their hands. Unwittingly, the crowd had played right into Alexander's hands. He had intended to incite the people to riot and his soldiers fell upon the crowd at his command. The soldiers slew more than 6,000 people in the Temple courtyard.

A civil war started, in which the Pharisees allied with the Seleucid king Demetrius III against Alexander Jannaeus. He first retreated, but then managed to oust his rivals thanks to popular support against the Seleucid invasion of Judea. During the civil war, Alexander Jannaeus suppressed his rivals brutally, killing his brother and many leading Pharisees. The New Century Book of Facts writes:

"It is said that 50,000 perished in this civil strife. He quelled a revolt at Jerusalem by slaughtering 6,000. On his return from a short exile into which he had been driven by the Pharisees, he caused 800 rebels to be crucified before him and their wives and children slaughtered (86 B.C.)."

Alliance with the Essenes
Alexander Jannaeus may have been in close relation with the monastic Essenes at some point, who were probably allies during his fight against the Pharisees. A piece from the Dead Sea scrolls from Qumran appears to be an homage to him:

"holy city/ for king Jonathan/ and all the congregation of your people/ Israel/ who are in the four/ winds of heaven/ peace be (for) all/ and upon your kingdom/ your name be blessed" (Transcription and translation by E. Eshel, H. Eshel, and A. Yardeni)


Alexander Jannaeus showed considerable competence as a military leader, repelling invaders and expanding the country's borders to the west and south. He was defeated by Ptolemy Lathyrus in Galilee; made an alliance with Cleopatra and drove Ptolemy out. By the end of his rule, the borders of his state would exceed that of David and extend to Gaza and far into Jordan.

Upon his death, he was succeeded as monarch by his wife Salome Alexandra, known also and better as Shlomzion, and succeeded as High Priest by his son John Hyrcanus II.

Coinage

The coinage of Alexander Jannaeus is characteristic of the early Jewish coinage in that it avoided human or animal representations, in opposition to the surrounding Greek, and later Roman types of the period. Jewish coinage instead focused on symbols, either natural, such as the palm tree, the pomegranate or the star, either man-made, such as the Temple, the Menorah, trumpets or cornucopia.


Alexander Jannaeus was the first of the Jewish kings to introduce the "eight-ray star" or "eight-spoked wheel" symbol, in his bronze "Widow's mite" coins, in combination with the wide-spread Seleucid numismatic symbol of the anchor. These coins are thought to be the ones referred to in the Bible in Luke 21:1-4:
janaeuscoinphoto.jpg

"and Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury; and many that were rich cast in much. And He called unto him His disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had"


Depending on the make, the star symbol can be shown with straight spokes connected to the outside circle, in a style rather indicative of a wheel. On others, the spokes can have a more "flame-like" shape, more indicative of the representation of a star within a diadem.

It is not clear what the wheel or star may exactly symbolize, and interpretations vary, from the morning star, to the sun or the heavens. The influence of some Persian symbols of a star within a diadem, or the eight-spoked Buddhist wheel (see the coins of the Indo-Greek king Menander I with this symbol) have also been suggested.

The eight-spoked Macedonian star (a variation of which is the Vergina Sun), emblem of the royal Argead dynasty and the ancient kingdom of Macedonia, within a "Hellenistic" diadem symbolizing royalty (many of the coins depict a small knot with two ends on top of the diadem), seem to be the most probable source for this symbol.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Alexander_Jannaeus
Original_Widows_Mite_Pendant_Premium.jpg

kupete si paricka od Aleksandar

mamicata im...bil evrej so Kutlesh sonceto?
1QpHab
The Habakkuk Pesher

he Habakkuk scroll (1QpHab) is one of the original seven scrolls found by the Shepherds in the first cave in 1947.
kojznae dali vredi da se prodolzi?....
 
Неколку пати сум кажал ќе повторам бидејќи се работи за Есените.
Кај нив врховниот свештеник се викал Назароy - назарен, осветлен.
А Ристе наш не бил од Назарет, место кое во тоа време не постоело туку бил Ристе Назарениот, осветлениот.
 
prpa a?

cudni pisanija od APOKRIFITE i vonredni naodi od arheologijata....
no toa e...
MAKEDONSKO E....

esenite odamna gi nema,pa da gi zapalime na klada....
ni ostavile vonredni pisanija,sto na papirus,sto na BAKARNI KNIGI....
ova veruvam,ne go znaele ni Dusko ni Donski...

neise...

toa koineto e cuden jazik....
mnogu lici na MAKEDONSKIOT....
TOJ E VSUSNOST MAKEDONSKI JAZIK...

sto se esenite etimoloski?
nikoj neznae...
gledame vo Daglas-Harper,Essenoi, of disputed etymology.

gledame vo merriam-webster kako se izgovaralo priblizno,Es•sene
Pronunciation:
\i-ˈsēn, ˈe-ˌsēn\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Greek Essēnos
Date:
1553
: a member of a monastic brotherhood of Jews in Palestine from the second century b.c. to the second century a.d.
— Es•se•ni•an \i-ˈsē-nē-ən, e-ˈse-\ or Es•se•nic -ˈse-nik, -ˈsē-nik\ adjective
— Es•se•nism \-ˈsē-ˌni-zəm\ noun

hmm...
Se nizem=Понижен; малечок; незначителен,sto odgovara napolno na hebrejskiot tekst tzenum=the modest ones.....

no,poentata e druga....
nekoi zborovi od KOINETO se pogresno prevedeni..posebno sega bi gi spomnal r ,n i e.

bi spomnal deka vo evrejskite tekstovi,imeto na Isus e Jesus Ben Stada.

Tertullian, vo 198 AD,ni potvrduva deka Isus bil narekuvan i Yeshu ben Pandera,ime koe e poznato uste od porano kaj evreite.

tuka doagame do site PANTERI-IMINJA NA MAKEDONSKITE VOJNICI KAJ SELEVKIDITE,IME KOE BILO MNOGU POPULARNO KAJ NIV.

A ZOSTO BILO POPULARNO?

pa,Panterot e na parite na
Alexander Seleucid Dionysus
fig332.jpg

Head of Seleucus, idealized, in helmet ornamented with bull’s horn and covered with panther’s skin. Nike crowning trophy (Fig. 332).
AR Tetradr., Dr., and ½ Dr.
Id. [Philipsen Coll.] Id., without ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ.
AR Obol

toj bil Dionysus
247px-Dioniso_del_tipo_Madrid-Varese_%28M._Prado%29_01.jpg

Thyrsus, Grapes, Leopard skin

TA NELI SME OD HERAKLIDITE,NASEKADE SO LAVJI I PANTERSKI KOZHI?

ZATOA I IMETO PANTER BILO POPULARNO,A PO CUDNA SLUCAJNOST I ISUS GO NOSEL TOA IME,A EVREIN?

ke odime malku do germanija,do nadgroben napis na eden vojnik:
70iziq.jpg

gledame,toj bil od Sidon,Izrael,a imeto ostanalo i dolgo po Risteta...

Epiphanius (320-403 AD),go citira Origen kako kazuval-pishuval za Panther.

I TOA,NE ZA BILO KOGO,TUKU ZA JAKOV,TATKOTO NA JOSIF,DEDOTO (mora taka da se kazhe,iako e bezgresno zacnat?) NA ISUS.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rabbi+Ben+Pandera&btnG=Search

jas mislam deka e jasno...
RISTE E HERAKLID....

p.s..
toa so greskite vo prevodot...
spored Matej,...Immanuel.
no,spored mesijanskata pretstava,toj ne e Immanuel,tuku onoj sto ne pretstavuva nas.
i vtoroto,poznacajnoto,klucnoto,toj ne e od Koine zborot za devica partenos, tuku e Panteros.
od kade znaeme.
Pa bas od TEKSTOVITE NA ESENITE OD QUMRAN,od ona sto se narekuva pesharist kaj Esenite.Nivnite rakopisi za sreka,ne se prevedeni na Koine (kojznae kako bi izgledale posle toa),tuku toa e jazikot na Aramejcite,onakov kakov bil vo vremeto na Risteta...

p.s...
toa za greskite i ona sto go konstatira i N. Proeva...
Josephus is rarely absent from Rajak's deliberations. His own multiple identities as native aristocrat, Flavian client, and expositor of Judaism to a Greek world renders him a natural centerpiece for the collection. Josephus' substantial literary production adds important historiographic and rhetorical dimensions to Rajak's account. Rejecting simplistic caricatures of Josephus as a mere Flavian apologist or facile purveyor of interpretatio Graecae(Keops,Persia..cel svet helenski iminja,greski kolku sakash), Rajak undertakes close readings of Herod Agrippa's pre-revolt speech in Book 2 of the Jewish War, and of Josephus' descriptions of the Essenes in relation to the literature of Qumran, in order to produce a nuanced view of the complex interface between historical veracity, authorial voice, and audience expectations. In the case of Agrippa, she concludes that, while the speech is a literary artifact of Josephus, it nonetheless plausibly reproduces attitudes Agrippa is likely to have held. Agrippa's representation of Roman rule, though himself a beneficiary of it, falls well short of a benign view of empire (and hence should not be regarded as a mere cipher for Flavian ideology).

p.s..
inaku,i vo svetot se uci za nekoi nelogicnosti..
na primer:
THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS (BIBL 458.J1)
Abilene Christian University
January 2007
INSTRUCTOR: Kindalee Pfremmer De Long, Visiting Instructor, kdelong@nd.edu
.....drn..drn...
INTRODUCTION TO CRITICAL STUDY OF THE GOSPELS (Assignment #6)
To do: As an introduction to critical study of the Synoptic Gospels (and of Mark specifically) read
the following texts. These authors take different approaches and do not always agree with each
other; watch for differences among them.
• Read Murphy (1-15) [Bb]
• Read Mark for Everyone (221-226); look for Mark 16:9-20 in a Bible; what do you find?
• Read “Ancient Perspectives on the Gospels” [Bb]
• Read Blomberg (115-125)
• Read Telford (13-33) [Bb]
• Look again at Mark for Everyone (57-65) and read Edwards [Bb]

To learn more about textual criticism, visit the website
http://www.skypoint.com/~waltzmn/Examples.html and scroll through examples of textual
variants to get a feel for the kind of differences in the manuscripts. Visit the website
http://www.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/text_crit.html and scroll to the bottom; click on the links to
view various New Testament manuscripts.
To turn in: Write a personal response to the readings for this assignment (maximum 600 words).
What do you find interesting, enlightening, problematic, troubling, helpful/unhelpful (etc.) and why?
You don’t need to comment on everything in the readings; choose one or two aspects that struck
you personally for some reason and respond. In this reflection, you are invited (but not required) to
write from your own faith perspective.

kojznae dali vredi da se prodolzi :toe:so GENEZATA NA ONA STO E VO QUMRANSKITE RAKOPISI,bidejki ova bese pointerseno,a ima uste interesni raboti...
eden kup Makedonci....
 
kojznae dali vredi da se prodolzi :toe:so GENEZATA NA ONA STO E VO QUMRANSKITE RAKOPISI,bidejki ova bese pointerseno,a ima uste interesni raboti...
eden kup Makedonci....
ebate bejla rabotva,pa cel den cekam da prodolzis, ti uste prasuvas dali vredi da se prodolzi..
prodolzi bre brate dokolku slobodnoto vreme ti ovozmozuva..dokolku nemas nekakvi obvrski...prodolzi...
pls
 
kojznae dali vredi da se prodolzi :toe:so GENEZATA NA ONA STO E VO QUMRANSKITE RAKOPISI,bidejki ova bese pointerseno,a ima uste interesni raboti...
eden kup Makedonci....

како дали да продолжиш ... не заебавај :)
закон ти е ова еј ...
интересни работи ... ти го разглеав и блогот ќе читнам повеќе и таму ...
позз и продолжи :wink:
 
golema e temava i saka vreme...
neise..
mora da gi razbereme uslovite i okolnostite na toa vreme vo israel i Peleshetim...
tie bile pod vlast na Selevkidite,Makedoncite....
nikoj ne saka okupatori,taka i Izrailot...
posebno koga carot
Antiochus IV Epiphanes challenged their identity by issuing a decree.
“The king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that
they should follow the strange laws of the land, and forbid burnt offerings, and
sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should profane the sabbaths
and festival days; and pollute the sanctuary and holy people; set up altars, and groves,
and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and unclean beasts; that they should
also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all
manner of uncleanness and profanation; to the end they might forget the law, and
change all the ordinances. And whosoever would not do according to the
commandment of the king, he said, he should die.” (1 Macc 1:44-50)

toa go izrodilo buntot na Makabeite....
za niv znaeme od primarni izvori:
The Deuterocanonical/apocryphal books of 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees.
Josephus's description of the Hellenistic and Maccabean era begins in Antiquities Book 12, chapter 1
koi kako da nemalo drugi iminja,pa bash go odbrale toa,buntovnici,neli,ili
Maccabees=means "hammerer" ili Maka+biesh
bidejki vo t.n. Koine nema ш,a znacenjeto e toa.

Tie se dignale protiv aktot na Makedonskiot car.

Koi se tie?

Mattathias the Hasmonean was the patriarch of the Maccabees..
John was the oldest son of Mattathias.....
Simon was the second oldest son of Mattathias...
Judas Maccabeus...
Eleazar was the fourth son of Mattathias...
Jonathan was the youngest son of Mattathias...
John Hyrcanus...
Aristobulus I was the oldest son of John Hyrcanus...104-103 BC
Alexander Jannaeus was the younger son of John Hyrcanus...
Salome Alexandra was the wife of Alexander Jannaeus, and only the second queen to rule over the Jews in their history. She reigned from 76-67BC.
Hyrcanus II was one of two sons of Alexander Jannaeus and Salome Alexandria...
Aristobulus II was one of two sons of Alexander Jannaeus and Salome Alexandria.

tuka ima mnogu nelogicnosti...
Makavejskata era zapocnala vo 164 gpne,a veke po 30-na god. Aristobulus I,Israelskite Kralevi imaat MAKEDONSKI IMINJA.
toa e nelogicno,tie se dignaa protiv Makedoncite pred 30 god. i sega imaat Makedonski iminja....

videte ja Salome Alexandra...ZENA KRALICA....
ta neli cela Istorija na Izrailot ja vodat samo mazhi,i naednash Emancipacija vo Izrailot?
i potoa pak po staro?

nekoj se zaebava so istorijata....

kade,vo koja religija i veruvanja ima takvi raboti?

ili,toa e slicno nesto na vladeenjeto na KLEOPATRA 7,POSESTRIMATA I,KOMSIKATA I?

od edna strana,golemata i mokna imperija na Selevkidite,od druga strana imperijata na Ptolomeite,nasrede,Maka+biaci-te?

dale e mozhno da opstoile bash taka Makaveite,za inat na Makedoncite,ili ima nesto sto ocigledno ne znaeme za nivnite relacii?

da go iskoristime i svedostvoto na Josif Plaviot,koj ni kazuva deka bash vo tie vreminja,Izrailot se skara i se podeli,i
At the time of Jesus, basically five groups of Jewish people lived in Palestine – the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Essenes,
the Zealots and the simple ‘people of the land.’

Evreite se podelija,bash poradi Makedoncite,nekoi toa go vikaat se Heleniziraa.

no toa e nelogicno,primer Sadukeite,tie se mnozinstvo vo Sanhedrin ili evrejskiot sud,a ziveat vo Makedonski kuki (helenisticki bozem).
Fariseite go podrzaa prviot Mattathias Makavej vo buntot,a tie se protiv Makedonizmot (helenizam poveke ne upotrebuvam),a vo isto vreme (po nepoln vek) se i clenovi na sudot kaj Salome Alexandra.
no tie,ne dejstvuvaat i vo Hramot,tuku samo vo sinagogite.

Esenite..tie ni gi ostavija Qumranskite zapisi....
vidovme kitim i Belial....
i se prisekavame na SITE EVANGELISTI...
i ete go sv.Pavle,koj,edeinstven,i samo ednash go napishal:
“What harmony is there between Christ and Belial ? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?”(2 Cor 6:15 NIV)

Svetiot Apostol Pavle...
covekot sto dojde vo Makedonija,koga na son mu se javil nekoj od Makedonija (samo na koj jazik li bilo toa?).....
neise..
Savle..pa koga se zapoznal so Ristovci,vikaat deka go smenil imeto vo Pavle,i postanal naednas -malecok?

i ne samo toa,tuku deka toa imalo vrsk i so gejskiot zbor za mal=mikros...
Pavle bil mikros?

ocigledno,nekoj se zaebava so istorijata...

bil italijanec-romej?

pa,i tie neznaat od kade im e Paulino....
bilo od pau- i taka...

arno ama,vo SAN nema nitu 1 (eden) zbor so koren pau koj e ednakov na nesto malo,ponizno i t.n....

kolku sto znaeme,i rimjanite zboruvale PIE,...

ocigledno,koga se raboti za Koineto,mnogu raboti se nejasni....

koj e Apostol Pavle-etimoloski?

bidejki nie zboruvame PIE,vo SAN na korenot pav- imame znacenija:
east wind;meditation of God;; meditation of God ;N. of a man;to go ;to be born

no,kaj to go,go imame zborot pavate....

Pavle patuvashe,toj beshe posveten na Risteta (meditation of God),toj beshe duhoven vodach (air,wind)...

Pavkashe,se dvizhese navamu,kako duh-veter.....

to go=plav

dali i t.n. Saul se Makedoniziral,ili sto e rabotava?
mikros podatoci imame za toa...
 
Sledejki gi istoriskite zapisi...gi nabrojavme Makaveite...
no potoa se pojavija rakopisite od Qumran...
i tie se sega del od istorijata...
sega samo za 2-3 momenti...

spored niv,uste koga Menelaus, "postana" High Priest 172-162, i toa kako...After buying his appointment as high priest by bribing Antiochus,....

potoa,Jonathan 161-143; named high priest by Alexander Balas 152-142; killed by Trypho. "Wicked priest" in Dead Sea Scrolls...

i potoa,Simon postana high priest 142-134; killed by his son-in-law Ptolemy son of Abubus at Dok, near Jericho

dali toj...Founding of Qumran Community?

ocigledno.golemi nelogicnosti.

od edna strana,znaeme deka Makaveite bile protiv Makedoncite,od druga strana (Qumran,nezagaden od kontaminacijata Koine i kvazi-prevodi) ni kazuva deka vsusnost Makedoncite ja vodele politikata na Makaveite.

temata poleka se poklopuva so onaa za Riste od Ohrid....
interesen e Qumran Cave 7
19 intriguing fragments found in “Cave 7” were written in Koine – the language of the early Christians.

neznam dali e se prevedeno od niv,no,postoi edna tema,dali vo tie zapisi se naoga i Mark 6:52-53 ?

tamu se naoga i zborot Gennesaret=a garden of riches ?(Noviot Zavet).

vo Qumran e najden zborot εγεννησεν=egennesen=begot

prvo,zborot εγεννησεν e nepoznat za gejcite,vtoro begot znaci i pokraj molenja,kon Otecot (tatkoto) i akt na to cause or create...

go prepoznavame vednas gen-ot=raganje i nesen=donesen,so koren od neS=neSate=to go , move
neSatu;neSTAt

vo svetot,ova gen i donesen ne e vazno,za nas i te kako,za niv e vazno dali imalo Nov Zavet pred Noviot Zavet.
za nas,kako hristijani,isto taka toa e od vaznost,no uste povazno,na KOJ-CIJ JAZIK E I TOJ NAPISAN?

ovoj zbor e uste eden primer od mnogute,a koga ke go prevedeme t.n. Koine (izgleda na Kukovo Leto),toa i ke go doznaeme...

dotogash ke πλοιου (Qumran 7)=plovilo=vo vodite na nepoznatoto (?)....

εγεννησεν

p.s..
za svetot,mozebi rakopisite (Koine) se napisani i podocna od oficijalnoto datiranje,no toa nisto ne menuva za toa,KOJ I NA KAKOV JAZIK GI NAPISAL....
 
Макабејци... Хм..
Името им доаѓа од Мак = македонски и од Абу, Аби = син. Тоа биле “синови македонски“!
Војните на “Евреите“ (тоа биле веќе измешани народи од македонски доселеници и домородно население) не биле против Македонците (тие тогаш не биле на власт) туку против Римјаните. Зошто не војувале претходниоте векови против македонската власт? Едноставно, македонските населеници и Евреите се нашле во иста ситуација - и двата народи биле поробени и најверојатно заедно подигале востанија - кои од друга страна задирале во интересите на македонската марионетска власт, но и во династичките претензии на различните македонски (и еврејски можеби) благороднички семејства.
За Исус се ширеле оговарања (најверојатно од политички причини, кои не значи дека не биле вистинити) дека е син на римски легионер или офицер со име Пантера (кој пак најверојатно, според името, бил родум Македонец). Всушност, и некои детали од неговиот живот се слични со иние на Александар Македонски (33 години на живот, титулата “и крал и Бог“, тоа што бил потомок на кралот водач : името Давид, Даут значи “водач“; а од Даутче се добива Дуче и од него Водуче = водач... - Или бил потомок на Александар?). Сите овие детали не е сигурно дека се Христови, туку најверојатно се отпосле додавани, а покрај тоа мислам дека и името Давид не е по потекло семитско.
 
Se e taka mazno..
samo..
toa so Makaveite bilo 100-150 god. pred da dojdat-RIMJANITE....
 
Извинете - грешка. Се занесов малку и заборавив на хронологијата. Се префлив на востанијата од 1 век. н. е.
 
http://www.nicd.us/DSSGuide.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel's_Vision_of_Chapter_8

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2640524/Who-is-Edom

Roman-Judean End Time in Dead Sea Scrolls (First Century BC/AD)


Thomas Newton
-
"The four different metals must signify four different nations: and as the gold signified the Babylonians, and the silver the Persians, and the brass the Macedonians; so the iron cannot signify the Macedonians again, but must necessarily denote some other nation: and we will venture to say that there is not a nation upon earth, to which this description is applicable, but the Romans." (
Dissertations on the Prophecies
, Vol. I, p. 240. )

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2640524/Who-is-Edom
 
Царот под рбр. 18. КОИН 797-774 гпне, ме потсети на коине јазикот.:star:
 

Kajgana Shop

Back
На врв Bottom