Fundamental notions of the macedonian civilization: "KOSMOS" and "HISTORY"

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The Macedonian people and Macedonian science that is Macedonian civilisation, apart from the oldest phonetic alphabet and many other achievements have given the world two fundamental notions: cosmos and history. Namely these notions the helenes as loanwords took from the Macedonians and used them and use them saying that they are from their own lingual production, but without offering an adequate etymology.

What in fact do the nouns cosmos and history mean?
In the ancient Macedonian language the base of the noun cosmos is formed from the adjective KOS (winding slanted) and the noun MOS (bridge) and it means "kosmos" that is a winding bridge and that's what the ancient macedonian astronomers called the flock of stars from the milky way, in this way the folck which seen from the earth has a winding line in the shape of a slanted bidge (kosmos) or with this noun they expressed the fourth dimension of our galaxy or cosmic space, just as modern astronomers named the globular flocks of the spiral galaxy NGC 4594 as the galaxy sombrero M1O4 because with their form those globular flocks resembled the spanish or latin american Sombrero.

As far as the fundamental word "history" is concerned, it's root is found in the ancient Macedonian noun "TR" which is the oldest form of the name of the god of thunder. With the appearance-- of the first innovations in prehistory or with the start of the functioning of the basic sound law that is the law of the opening of the syllables the following forms were derived: "TOR", "TOOR", "TUR", "TUUR", "TAR", "TARA" etc. from the noun "TOR" the imperfect verb was formed "TORI" and from it with the help of the prefixes "S" and "IS" the perfect verb form "STORI" or "ISTORI" was formed so according to the fact that all our ancestors "HISTORY" in the Vth cent B.C. the ionoan Herodot or Irodot (484-424 B.C.) published his writings under the headline with the noun "HISTORY" and in that way he is considered that he put down the foundations to the science called History, even though much older histories than his exist.

If the Helenes (Greeks) would like to publish and say with their own noun the past happenings of theirs and others ancestors then they would have to produce a noun of their own from their appropriate verb "KANO"(ka¢nw)>"EKANA" (²ekanan) and name the works of their ancestors with the noun "EKANAN" (²ekanan) because the equivalent to the ancient macedonian syntagm "TIE ISTORIA" (they did) is the hellenic syntagm "AVTI EKANAN"(au¢th¢ ekanan).Following this, that which the MACEDONIANS call "ISTORIA" the Helenes should call "EKANAN" (²ekanan).

With the newest deciphering on many inscriptions, writings or texts from the end of the Mesolithic and the start of the Neolithic right upto the second period of the Ironage (Iron II) that is from 7.000 - 6.000 B.C. till the VIIth - VIth cent B.C. it is possible to fill in many empty spaces in the ancient history of the macedonian people and their social formation from the time of the matriarch and early patriarch and the obtained linguistic information from the field of the syntactic, semantic and utilised value of the language treated as a system of connected signs with an already before hand, differentiated and developed system of graphemes and phonemes enabling us to overcome some misleading, understatements or wrong views in science in relation to the problems of the so called written signs of the Neolithic cultures that is in the era of the functioning of the sound (phonetic) alphabet which enables us deciphering and acquitenance with the haltered and fixated articulated speech of our ancestors.

Today already we are in the position to differentiate and present a relatively rich pre - historic linguistic material from which it is possible to separate the phonology, the linguistic units, their constituent relations, their syntactic relations, the means of those relations, the grammatical semantics of separate linguistic units etc that is concrete peculiarities of the oldest developing phase of the macedonian language fixated and preserved in authentic form on various pre - historic inscriptions which serve as a document, as a living witness and in the most direct way perform an identification on the autochthony of the pre - historic population of Macedonia and on a wider scale the Balkan - Anadolian cultural complex.

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Ova tvrdenje na G. Vasil Iljov,30-na god. "lebdi" pomegu vistinsko poznavanje na "drevnosta" na Makedonskiot Jazik i senzacionalnost.

Dali e navistina toa taka?
 
History

history
1390, "relation of incidents" (true or false), from O.Fr. historie, from L. historia "narrative, account, tale, story," from Gk?. historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry, history, record, narrative," from historein "inquire," from histor "wise man, judge," from PIE *wid-tor-, from base *weid- "to know," lit. "to see" (see vision). Related to Gk.? idein "to see," and to eidenai "to know."

Sanskrit:
tuRai=branch of knowledge, science
tuRai=sea; river (to flow, to stream) 1
jJA=jJeyas= (jas) znam=to know , have knowledge
jJA =jJapayati=(jas) peam (pojati,crkovno-slovenski)=to teach any one

tuRaijJA=istorija

Mod. Macedonian
Turaj (znaeje) vo glavata=learn
Sipaj 1.-turaj (tecenje) znaenje vo glavata
ISTURAJ znaenje

vision
c.1290, "something seen in the imagination or in the supernatural," from Anglo-Fr. visioun, O.Fr. vision, from L. visionem (nom. visio) "act of seeing, sight, thing seen," from pp. stem of videre "to see," from PIE base *weid- "to know, to see" (cf. Skt. veda "I know;" Avestan vaeda "I know;" Gk. oida, Doric woida "I know," idein "to see;" O.Ir. fis "vision," find "white," i.e. "clearly seen," fiuss "knowledge;" Welsh gwyn, Gaulish vindos, Breton gwenn "white;" Goth., O.Swed., O.E. witan "to know;" Goth. weitan "to see;" Eng. wise, Ger. wissen "to know;" Lith. vysti "to see;" Bulg. vidya "I see;" Pol. widziec' "to see," weidziec' "to know;" Rus. videt' "to see," vest' "news," O.Russ. vedat' "to know").

Sanskrit:
vid, vetti,veda

Mod. Macedonian
vidi,gleda
vizija
veda

Izgleda deka ova tvrdenje e tocno,bidejki gejskoto idein "to see," and to eidenai "to know" ocigledno nema nikakva etimoloska vrska so zborot Istorija.

Za vision,i toa ne e gejsko,bidejki se spomnuvaat Dorci,koi se vsusnost Korci,bidejki nema nikakvi naucni dokazi za niv,pa spored toa,gejcite go zemale zborot od nas.

Sekako ima uste zborovi vo potkrepa na Istorija i Vision,no mislam deka i ova e dovolno.
 
KOSMOS ili COSMOS

cosmos
c.1200 (but not popular until 1848, as a translation of Humboldt's Kosmos), from Gk. kosmos "orderly arrangement" (cf. Homeric kosmeo, used of the act of marshaling troops), with an important secondary sense of "ornament, decoration, dress."
Pythagoras is said to have been the first to apply this word to "the universe," perhaps originally meaning "the starry firmament," but later it was extended to the whole physical world, including the earth.

For specific reference to "the world of people," the classical phrase was he oikoumene (ge) "the inhabited (earth)." Septuagint uses both kosmos and oikoumene. Kosmos also was used in Christian religious writing with a sense of "worldly life, this world (as opposed to the afterlife)," but the more frequent word for this was aion, lit. "lifetime, age."

Baranjeto etimologija na zborot cosmos e navistina problematicno,no i tvrdenjeto deka e toj gejski zbor,e uste pobroblematicno,pogotovo koga se spomnuva Omiro.

Zbunuva toa sto dadenata etimologija,ne go objasnuva toa sto e na neboto,pa makar sto i vselenata e od Boga "orderly arrangement".

Vtora zbunuvacka rabota e taa sto gejskiot jazik,ne e PIE,premnogu zborovi im nemaat etimologija vo PIE, a tie sto im imaat se Makedonski, a za skepticite,slavski, isto kako i na onie od Rus i Pol, sto samo dokazuva deka nemalo plivanje preku Dunav.

Pa,sto e vsusnost zborot cosmos?
Pa kosmos si e cosmos,tocno toa,neboto,vselenata.
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KO=Heaven; aerial region, sky
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soma=heaven , sky , ether
somadhArA=f. the milky way ; the sky , heaven
suma= the sky , atmosphere

Znaci,
KOsoma ili KOsomadhArA ili KOsuma
otsekogas si bile kosmos.

Omero :star:(ili koj i da pisuval vo "negovo" ime)bil vo pravo koga napisal kosmeo:zver:,a ne cosmeo,no,iako treba da padneme vo nesvest od toa, sto vsusnost mislel Omiro koga napisal kosmeo?

Normalno,ne sum vidovid pa da znam sto mislel,no,nasiot narod tocno znae,uste od iskonot,sto e kosmos,deka kosmos pokraj kosmos,ima i drugo znacenje.

Koe?
 
KOS MOS(T)

Nasiot narod bil "inovativen", pa taka, gledajki vo neboto (a bogami,gledal odamna,uste od Kokino,pa Nemrud...pa i mnogu drugi znajni poedinci,mozebi ke napisam nesto i za toa),mu daval najrazlicni iminja na toa sto go gledale "gore",kosmos.

Go krstile kako Mlecen Pat,drug "kum" mu dal ime Kumova Slama,a nekoj koj bil posebno vdahnoven,mu dal ime KOS MOS(T).

Koj od:duel: niv bil vo pravo?

Site :back:bile vo pravo.

zborot KO,pokraj znacenjeto Heaven; aerial region, sky , svetlina, ima i drugo znacenje , objasnuva i nesto sto se vika oblique, slanting ili po nase zaoblenost,zakosenost,KOSO.

Tuka ke spomenam i deka zborot CO go ima istoto znacenje,no poradi Omiro,a i poradi nas Makedoncite,koi si znaeme,ke go koristime zborot KO,za da ne ni bide шубе.

Секој знае дека во исконот немало мостови,а народот сепак одел преку некои премини.
(Па нели дури од Калахари-соседството сме допешачиле?)

Па така,немајки мостови,туку премини,им дал-ИМИЊА.

И ТОА КАКВИ ИМИЊА.

На ова место,поздрав до АнгПу неверниот, и посеееебно до еден Зајко,кој се претставува како Istoricarot по нетот.

pass

muS=fut
muSNA4ti
mo4Sati
muSati
muSANa
mumoSa
moSIs
moSitA
moSiSyati
muSitvA

КО moSIs или КО muSati? Ili nesto slicno?

Оставам на вас.

p.s.
cOgku-tal=to incline; to be oblique
kONu-tal=to be bent, curved; to be awry, crooked, oblique; to deviate, swerve from the proper course; to be perverse; to be changed, as circumstances; to have dislike or aversion
 
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Дали е КОС-МОСТ ?

Абе тоа средниот век ни е*а мамата, што препишаа и како препишаа нема никогаш да дознаеме.

Инаку има и друг домашен термин за КОСМОС а тоа е ВСЕЛЕНА (целосно населена)
 
А да го разгледаме КОКИНО

КО е велиме небесно, тоа КИНО што ли е?

Таму се прати небесното движење, КО + КИНО (небесно движење)

Вториот збор ке помислиме дека е од КИНЕСИС (движење), да не заборавиме дека имаме и домашен збор кои е КИНИСА, кај киниса море.

PIE base *kei- "to move to and fro" (cf. Skt. cyavate "stirs himself, goes;" Gk. kinein "to move

Е сега кој од кого го преземал, незнам.
 
Bukviceto S ne e problem.
Jazikot e ziva materija i se razvival so tek na vremeto.

Spored tvojata premisa,lugeto od pred nekolku iljadi godini,trebalo da zboruvaat po terkot na Konevski,a od druga strana,eden napis na freska od pred stotina godini ti pretstavuva problem da go procitas?

Pa najgolemite svetski etimologisti pravat neverojatni konstrukcii,im falat poveke bukvi vo kreacijata na resenieto,no tie se relevantni ?

Gledame deka desetici i stotici zborovi od iskonot go potvrduvaat znacenjeto,sto e najvazno etimoloski,i toa nemoze nikoj da go pobie.

Vtora rabota,ako zborot go e korenot na zborot govedo,kolku vreme pominalo za da taka evoluira?

Treto.Prirodno e da bideme,po prezime na ov,toa e semanticki izdrzano, (sega nekoj bulgar ke padne vo nesvest od radost),no go imame ski.

Znaci,frli gi vekovite,vazen e denesniot den.

citat:
Сепак ако во санскрит постои како цел збор кој претставува Космос, тогаш не трба да се бара повеќе.

Tuka si totalno nejasen.
Pa,i gejskoto cosmos ne e cel zbor,tuku slozen zbor.

I znaci treba da ima cel zbor za da bide ok?

Toa e smesno.

Ova mi lici na kSar i gomez iako nema eNJe i NA,sepak e sranje.
 
Не бе човек, се е ок, само пробував да дадам некој друг поглед.

Инаку по светотв какви етимологии прават, за тоа не треба ни да зборуваме, циркус.
 
Ima vseleni kolku sakas.
nabhas
nabhasa
nabhoga
spihr (spirala,spiralna galaksija,samo ova ke go prevedam,drugoto e jasno)
goghRta
ASTra.....
 
А да го разгледаме КОКИНО

КО е велиме небесно, тоа КИНО што ли е?

Таму се прати небесното движење, КО + КИНО (небесно движење)

Вториот збор ке помислиме дека е од КИНЕСИС (движење), да не заборавиме дека имаме и домашен збор кои е КИНИСА, кај киниса море.



Е сега кој од кого го преземал, незнам.

Ne sum strucen po ova, ama ova e edinstvenoto logicno objasnuvanje na temava.
 
i uste ova.
neboto e sino.
no,toa sinilo e visoko,duri dostiga do:
Hima7laya=Himara vo MK
vo siniloto e i gomeda=dolomite+white , pale yellow , red , and dark blue
aha..kometa

plavoto sakale da go dostignat i vaviloncite,pa gradele kula=a blue stone,ama visoko

ama nekogas e i crno...
dhUmra (ne daj boze..pu..pu skraja bilo)= smoke-coloured , smoky=dusa,duh
ovde e mrak i tAmra,tamasa me obviva....
pradoSa= e tamu sakam da odam..

I Ace bil fraer,ja zemal rocanA,koja bila od gornite sloevi,ej,princeza, commonly called go-rocanA (the bright sky or luminous sphere)
 
А да го разгледаме КОКИНО

КО е велиме небесно, тоа КИНО што ли е?

Таму се прати небесното движење, КО + КИНО (небесно движење)

Вториот збор ке помислиме дека е од КИНЕСИС (движење), да не заборавиме дека имаме и домашен збор кои е КИНИСА, кај киниса море.



Е сега кој од кого го преземал, незнам.

ubava etimologija si dal.
prvo,tie sto kinisaa,odea kOlivA-tal,kOlivarutal (ti si po krugovive)?
eve ti parikruz,krozati,kruzya

Kineza ili kinisa=kiNNu-tal,kintu-tal

ama denes e moderno so car, carati....

slusnav, i eden kuc kinisal i toa pod lamb(lambya)=to hang down
ne se plasel deka ke pad, padyate
gledam,ke padne i sneg,pa ke se liz

zatoa,vreme e da se makh,makhati od pred niv.

najdobro se odi po asalen pat, patati
i toa pes
teraj samo pravicar(to go forwards) se dodeka ne psA,papsau(papsas)

najpoveke sakam dvizenja koga ke se nagna (ili zagna po)= a naked woman pa potoa da se val,valamvA-tal pa da i se vRt, vartate pa da se zal,zalate pa da i dadam eden udIr .

Ete,toa ti se vika dvizenje,odenje po to go.
 

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