Да разјасниме за Пир Епирски

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Според мене овој имал Македонско потекло еве зошто
Александар од Епир ја земал за жена керката на Филип Македонски
Александар од Епир е брат на Олимпија
Александар е дедо на Пир
Од книгата Александар од Валерио Манфредини
 
Filip, Balkanot bil naselen SAMO so Makedonci. Predi Mnogaja Leta...

Site imat poteklo od Makedoncite.

Zato sho Pir ziveel mnogu pred idenjeto na Blgari, Albanci (kavkaski) i slicni, normalno deka bil Makedonec...
 
Da se objasnam ^^

Site Balkanski Narodi imaat poteklo od pra-zitelite na Balkanot - Makedoncite.

Antickite Makedonci isto ;)

Grcite , deneshnite, se edni megju najmeshanite. Nie i Albancite sme megju "najcistite".

Za cudo , Hrvatite isto mnogu malku se mesani mislam. Treba da se izvrsat sporedbi na nivnata kultura i jazik so nashata.

E sega, da ne pagjame vo vakvi nacional-romanticarski filmovi.

So elaborirani i podrzani so referenci tekstovi za Kralot Pir ke izlezam pokasno, ke cekam prvo da vidam sho ke napishat, kakvi falsifikuvani i modificirani citati ke izvadat sega golemo-shiptarskite propagatori :)
 
Da se objasnam ^^

Site Balkanski Narodi imaat poteklo od pra-zitelite na Balkanot - Makedoncite.

Antickite Makedonci isto ;)

Grcite , deneshnite, se edni megju najmeshanite. Nie i Albancite sme megju "najcistite".

Za cudo , Hrvatite isto mnogu malku se mesani mislam. Treba da se izvrsat sporedbi na nivnata kultura i jazik so nashata.

E sega, da ne pagjame vo vakvi nacional-romanticarski filmovi.

So elaborirani i podrzani so referenci tekstovi za Kralot Pir ke izlezam pokasno, ke cekam prvo da vidam sho ke napishat, kakvi falsifikuvani i modificirani citati ke izvadat sega golemo-shiptarskite propagatori :)

што има д се проучи Хрватскиот и тој е словенски јазик ко и македонскиот ко и Рускиот и така натаму.

Ево гледам Пиро ви објаснува добро со неовите постови и убо си кашува од доста цврсти извори од странски историчари а сеа сигурен сум дека ти ке извајш некој Србски историчар а за Хрватите и Босанците не се секирај тие си знаат што се и не се пикат кај што не ги бери. :helou:
 
Youtube - цврст извор, странски историчар???

Трагикомедија сте вие албанските „познавачи на историјата“...
 
Youtube - цврст извор, странски историчар???

Трагикомедија сте вие албанските „познавачи на историјата“...

бегај бе ти истите зборови по сите форуми ти се тебе ако имаш нешто да цитирш во врска со темава повели остај твоите трагедии Козле Бозле.:helou: :helou:

и уште нешто, од кај сите овие грчки и Албански херои станаа Македонски, али тие во вистинската светска историја се Грци и Албанци само во Кајгана и во јутуб се Македонци исто ко што е Косово Србија само во јутуб може косово да биде Србија и сите Србски Фикции и Пропагнди па макар и во историјата пошто историјата е доста политизирана а како што гледам ти живееш во твојот "Антички Македонски" свет што си го создал ти и твојот Каплани Ресул па така продолжи си можда си постигнуваш некоја внатрешна сатисфакција и се самоздоволуваш со тоа али не е добро пошто не е реално, би требало ад излезиш од собата стани остај интернетот види што е реалност.:smir: :smir: :smir:
 
Filip, Balkanot bil naselen SAMO so Makedonci. Predi Mnogaja Leta...

Site imat poteklo od Makedoncite.

Zato sho Pir ziveel mnogu pred idenjeto na Blgari, Albanci (kavkaski) i slicni, normalno deka bil Makedonec...


Znaci kako so kaza, site bile GRCI. Lele, a be da ne sonuvas...Svetski istoricari ti kazuvaat. Makedoncite se Heleni, helenska kultura i helenski jazik.

A za Pirro Epiroticum, toj bil Ilirrrrrr
 
Mr.M[][]N;1217784 напиша:
Znaci kako so kaza, site bile GRCI. Lele, a be da ne sonuvas...Svetski istoricari ti kazuvaat. Makedoncite se Heleni, helenska kultura i helenski jazik.

A za Pirro Epiroticum, toj bil Ilirrrrrr

KOJ ISTORICARI:)HAHAH OD 19 VEK :pos2: :pos2: E TIE BAS MNOGU KAZALE :pos2: :pos2: KAZALE PO NAREDBA NA CAREVITE :pos2: :pos2: ABE NEPRIZNAVM ISTORIJA OD 19 VEK DAJTE NESTO POSTARO :pos2: :pos2:
 
KOJ ISTORICARI:)HAHAH OD 19 VEK :pos2: :pos2: E TIE BAS MNOGU KAZALE :pos2: :pos2: KAZALE PO NAREDBA NA CAREVITE :pos2: :pos2: ABE NEPRIZNAVM ISTORIJA OD 19 VEK DAJTE NESTO POSTARO :pos2: :pos2:

ЗАТОА ЈАС ПА ДЕНЕС ЦЕЛ ДЕН ИКАМ, НЕКОЈ МЕ СПОМНУВАЛ :)

Историјата според ПЛУТАРК не е од 19 век нели ?

[SIZE=+2]Pyrrhus[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]

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[SIZE=+1]Pyrrhus[/SIZE]
(legendary, died 272 B.C.E.)

By Plutarch

Written 75 A.C.E.

Translated by John Dryden​

Of the Thesprotians and Molossians after the great inundation, the first king, according to some historians, was Phaethon, one of those who came into Epirus with Pelasgus. Others tell us that Deucalion and Pyrrha, having set up the worship of Jupiter at Dodona, settled there among the Molossians. In after time, Neoptolemus, Achilles's son, planting a colony, possessed these parts himself, and left a succession of kings, who, after him, was named Pyrrhidae, as he in his youth was called Pyrrhus, and of his legitimate children, one was born of Lanassa, daughter of Cleodaeus, Hyllus's son, had also that name. From him Achilles came to have divine honours in Epirus, under the name of Aspetus, in the language of the country. After these first kings, those of the following intervening times becoming barbarous, and insignificant both in their power and their lives, Tharrhypas is said to have been the first who, by introducing Greek manners and learning, and humane laws into his cities, left any fame of himself. Alcetas was the son of Tharrhypas, Arybas of Alcetas, and of Arybas and Troas his queen, Aeacides; he married Phthia, the daughter of Menon, the Thessalian, a man of note at the time of the Lamiac war, and of highest command in the confederate army next to Leosthenes. To Aeacides were born of Phthia, Deidamia and Troas, daughters, and Pyrrhus, a son.

The Molossians, afterwards falling into factions and expelling Aeacides, brought in the sons of Neoptolemus, and such friends of Aeacides as they could take were all cut off; Pyrrhus, yet an infant, and searched for by the enemy, had been stolen away and carried off by Androclides and Angelus; who, however, being obliged to take with them a few servants, and women to nurse the child, were much impeded and retarded in their flight, and when they were now overtaken, they delivered the infant to Androcleon, Hippias, and Neander, faithful and able young fellows, giving them in charge to make for Megara, a town of Macedon, with all their might, while they themselves, partly by entreaty, and partly by force, stopped the course of the pursuers till late in the evening. At last, having hardly forced them back, they joined those who had the care of Pyrrhus; but the sun being already set, at the point of attaining their object they suddenly found themselves cut off from it. For on reaching the river that runs by the city they found it looking formidable and rough, and endeavouring to pass over, they discovered it was not fordable; late rains having heightened the water and made the current violent. The darkness of the night added to the horror of all, so that they durst not venture of themselves to carry over the child and the women that attended it; but, perceiving some of the country people on the other side, they desired them to assist their passage, and showed them Pyrrhus, calling out aloud, and importuning them. They, however, could not hear for the noise and roaring of the water. Thus time was spent while those called out, and the others did not understand what was said, till one recollecting himself, stripped off a piece of bark from an oak, and wrote on it with the tongue of a buckle, stating the necessities and the fortunes of the child, and then rolling it about a stone, which was made use of to give force to the motion, threw it over to the other side, or, as some say, fastened it to the end of a javelin, and darted it over. When the men on the other shore read what was on the bark, and saw how time pressed, without delay they cut down some trees, and lashing them together, came over to them. And it so fell out, that he who first got ashore, and took Pyrrhus in his arms, was named Achilles, the rest being helped over by others as they came to hand.

Thus being safe, and out of the reach of pursuit, they addressed themselves to Glaucias, then King of the Illyrians, and finding him sitting at home with his wife, they laid down the child before them. The king began to weigh the matter, fearing Cassander, who was a mortal enemy of Aeacides, and, being in deep consideration, said nothing for a long time; while Pyrrhus, crawling about on the ground, gradually got near and laid hold with his hand upon the king's robe, and so helping himself upon his feet against the knees of Glaucias first moved laughter, and then pity, as a little, humble, crying petitioner. Some say he did not throw himself before Glaucias, but catching hold of an altar of the gods, and spreading his hands about it, raised himself up by that; and that Glaucias took the act as an omen. At present, therefore, he gave Pyrrhus into the charge of his wife, commanding he should be brought up with his own children; and a little later, the enemies sending to demand him, and Cassander himself offering two hundred talents, he would not deliver him up; but when he was twelve years old, bringing him with an army into Epirus, made him king. Pyrrhus in the air of his face had something more of the terrors than of the augustness of kingly power; he had not a regular set of upper teeth, but in the place of them one continued bone, with small lines marked on it, resembling the divisions of a row of teeth. It was a general belief he could cure the spleen by sacrificing a white cock and gently pressing with his right foot on the spleen of the persons as they lay down on their backs, nor was any one so poor or inconsiderable as not to be welcome, if he desired it, to the benefit of his touch. He accepted the cock for the sacrifice as a reward, and was always much pleased with the present. The large toe of that foot was said to have a divine virtue; for after his death, the rest of the body being consumed, this was found unhurt, and untouched by the fire. But of these things hereafter.

Being now about seventeen years old, and the government in appearance well settled, he took a journey out of the kingdom to attend the marriage of one of Glaucias's sons, with whom he was brought up; upon which opportunity the Molossians again rebelling, turned out all of his party, plundered his property, and gave themselves up to Neoptolemus. Pyrrhus having thus lost the kingdom, and being in want of all things, applied to Demetrius, the son of Antigonus, the husband of his sister Deidamia, who, while she was but a child, had been in name the wife of Alexander, son of Roxana, but their affairs afterwards proving unfortunate, when she came to age, Demetrius married her. At the great battle of Ipsus, where so many kings were engaged, Pyrrhus, taking part with Demetrius, though yet but a youth, routed those that encountered him, and highly signalized himself among all the soldiery; and afterwards, when Demetrius's fortunes were low, he did not forsake him then, but secured for him the cities of Greece with which he was intrusted; and upon articles of agreement being made between Demetrius and Ptolemy, he went over as an hostage for him into Egypt, where both in hunting and other exercises he gave Ptolemy an ample proof of his courage and strength. Here observing Berenice in greatest power, and of all Ptolemy's wives highest in esteem for virtue and understanding, he made his court principally to her. He had a particular art of gaining over the great to his own interest, as on the other hand he readily overlooked such as were below him; and being also well-behaved and temperate in his life, among all the young princes then at court he was thought most fit to have Antigone for his wife, one of the daughters of Berenice by Philip, before she married Ptolemy.

After this match, advancing in honour, and Antigone being a very good wife to him, having procured a sum of money, and raised an army, he so ordered matters as to be sent into his kingdom of Epirus, and arrived there to the great satisfaction of many, from their hate to Neoptolemus, who was governing in a violent and arbitrary way. But fearing lest Neoptolemus should enter into alliance with some neighbouring princes, he came to terms and friendship with him, agreeing that they should share the government between them. There were people, however, who, as time went on, secretly exasperated them, and fomented jealousies between them. The cause chiefly moving Pyrrhus is said to have had this beginning. It was customary for the kings to offer sacrifice to Mars at Passaro, a place in the Molossian country, and that done to enter into a solemn covenant with the Epirots; they to govern according to law, these to preserve the government as by law established. This was performed in the presence of both kings, who were there with their immediate friends, giving and receiving many presents; here Gelo, one of the friends of Neoptolemus, taking Pyrrhus by the hand, presented him with two pair of draught oxen. Myrtilus, his cup-bearer, being then by, begged these of Pyrrhus, who not giving them to him, but to another, Myrtilus extremely resented it, which Gelo took notice of, and, inviting him to a banquet (amidst drinking and other excesses, as some relate, Myrtilus being then in the flower of his youth), he entered into discourse, persuading him to adhere to Neoptolemus, and destroy Pyrrhus by poison. Myrtilus received the design, appearing to approve and consent to it, but privately discovered it to Pyrrhus, by whose command he recommended Alexicrates, his chief cup-bearer, to Gelo, as a fit instrument for their design, Pyrrhus being very desirous to have proof of the plot by several evidences. So Gelo, being deceived, Neoptolemus, who was no less deceived, imagining the design went prosperously on, could not forbear, but in his joy spoke of it among his friends, and once at an entertainment at his sister Cadmea's talked openly of it, thinking none heard but themselves. Nor was any one there but Phaenarete the wife of Samon, who had the care of Neoptolemus's flocks and herds. She, turning her face towards the wall upon a couch, seemed fast asleep, and having heard all that passed, unsuspected, next day came to Antigone, Pyrrhus's wife, and told her what she had heard Neoptolemus say to his sister. On understanding which Pyrrhus for the present said little, but on a sacrifice day, making an invitation for Neoptolemus, killed him; being satisfied before that the great men of the Epirots were his friends, and that they were eager for him to rid himself of Neoptolemus, and not to content himself with a mere petty share of the government, but to follow his own natural vocation to great designs, and now when a just ground of suspicion appeared, to anticipate Neoptolemus by taking him off first.

 
KOJ ISTORICARI:)HAHAH OD 19 VEK :pos2: :pos2: E TIE BAS MNOGU KAZALE :pos2: :pos2: KAZALE PO NAREDBA NA CAREVITE :pos2: :pos2: ABE NEPRIZNAVM ISTORIJA OD 19 VEK DAJTE NESTO POSTARO :pos2: :pos2:

Hahahaha, more improvizant, hahahaah, te vikat nacija posle 45, blagodarenie na tito deneska postoi ova drzava.
Decko, zal mi e za tebe i za site so sonuvaat vo ovoj forum.
Jas si gledam svetska istorija, i spored taa procenuvam.....A tebe te procenuvam samo kako Neo Makedonec koj samo 0.5% moze da ima nesto makedonsko vo sebe.

Decko, imas nacionalen problem, a da znaes deka albanecot sepak te vika MAkedonec....
 
KOJ ISTORICARI:)HAHAH OD 19 VEK :pos2: :pos2: E TIE BAS MNOGU KAZALE :pos2: :pos2: KAZALE PO NAREDBA NA CAREVITE :pos2: :pos2: ABE NEPRIZNAVM ISTORIJA OD 19 VEK DAJTE NESTO POSTARO :pos2: :pos2:

ај ти дај нешто постаро од 1945 :tv:

коа се спомало македонија порано :toe: Никоаш 1945 во Авној, прв пат држава стана 1991 и се уште не е Држава како што треба проблеми со името не проблеми со ЗНамето не со ова она Црквата 300 Глупости ај да те видам нешто по стро од 1945 ајде :tv:
 
Mr.M[][]N;1219342 напиша:
Hahahaha, more improvizant, hahahaah, te vikat nacija posle 45, blagodarenie na tito deneska postoi ova drzava.
Decko, zal mi e za tebe i za site so sonuvaat vo ovoj forum.
Jas si gledam svetska istorija, i spored taa procenuvam.....A tebe te procenuvam samo kako Neo Makedonec koj samo 0.5% moze da ima nesto makedonsko vo sebe.

Decko, imas nacionalen problem, a da znaes deka albanecot sepak te vika MAkedonec....

Decko ti ocilgledno imas nacionalen problem.A ti na ovaa drzava koja velish deka e titova tvorba, treba da mu bidesh blagodaren zatoa sto vo Kosovska kriza koja drzava primi 300 000 kosovari,koja drzava se rasprava so tie kriminalci dojdeni od kosovo.Misli malku pa potoa ke razgovarame.
Ovoj narod makedonski e mnogu napaten i miroljubiv.no ako go razbudish lavot vo negovoto srce ke zazalish kako sto Grcite zazalija pred 2300 god.
 

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