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Што знам, немам баш некое изградено мислење. Сум му видел и добри и лоши натпревари. Дефинитивно има покажано дека може да е ептен квалитетен, а и како што вика @vidooq имаше натпревари во кои успешно него го таргетираа. Ама па и Тељес и Таљафико ги немам гледано баш за да речам подобри се, не вреди. Претпоставувам тука негде се тројцата.
Битното тука е што гледаат потенцијал да прерасне во класа бек, па затоа вреди да се проба, посебно за цена на просечен англиски играч. Ако не погрешат, ќе бидат долго време покриени на бековските позиции со него и Џејмс. А во денешниов фудбал можеби и најбитни се.
Него...
Што е со вестиве деновиве
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Ќе ни вратат говната за Салах од Базел. Ќе пуштат некоја понуда сега
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Иако уште ништо не мора да значи и на крај нормално дека може и да пропадне се, засега вестите се дека Ливерпул нема да се вмеша, што им остава на Челзи чист пат до потписот на Вернер.
Парите што ќе ги добијат за Мората, одма ги префрлаат на Вернер
Парите што ќе ги добијат за Мората, одма ги префрлаат на Вернер
Автоматски споено мислење:
Последно уредено:
. Најверојатно и Чилвел.
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Ако имате пола саат, слушнете го подкастов. Има доста детали за трансферот и за плановите на Челзи. Тоа што ме изненади е следново:
Челзи со Лампард има веќе разработено три годишен план за тоа како ќе се развива клубот, и тоа:
- Давање шанса на младите и проценка на тимот (првава сезона).
- Засилување на потребните позиции и создавање компетитивен тим.
- Сериозно атакување и освојување титули.
Дали конечно клубот почна да работи асално и конечно ќе го дочекаме тоа што го баравме цело време
Chelsea’s intent in the transfer market is already clear and those around the club believe there will be more to follow Ziyech and Werner. - Matt Law
Најверојатно уште лев бек и можна е некоја позајмица. Лична желба ми е Хаверц, детето е преголем талент да го испуштиме, може да игра на сите позиции во нападот. Не би требало да кошта повеќе од 70м со оглед на ситуацијата. Дефинитивно може да си го дозволиме со продажбите на Хазард и Мората. Аут: Мората(50)+Хазард(100)+Пашалиќ(15) + 50-70м можат да се извадат од Бакајоко, Дринквотер, Баркли, Алонсо/Емерсон = 220-230м може да собереме.
Зијех, Хаверц, Вернер, Чилвел или Таљифико би коштале околу 200 - 220м.
Најверојатно уште лев бек и можна е некоја позајмица. Лична желба ми е Хаверц, детето е преголем талент да го испуштиме, може да игра на сите позиции во нападот. Не би требало да кошта повеќе од 70м со оглед на ситуацијата. Дефинитивно може да си го дозволиме со продажбите на Хазард и Мората. Аут: Мората(50)+Хазард(100)+Пашалиќ(15) + 50-70м можат да се извадат од Бакајоко, Дринквотер, Баркли, Алонсо/Емерсон = 220-230м може да собереме.
Зијех, Хаверц, Вернер, Чилвел или Таљифико би коштале околу 200 - 220м.
@draey Ако добро се сеќавам, уште зимоска беше најавено дека Челси има на располагање околу 150 милиони фунти за трансфери. Со оглед дека тогаш никого не купија, таа бројка можеби е и поголема. Али да, ако се ослободат од играчи како Бакајоко, Мозес, Пашалиќ, Дринквотер, ќе има екстра финансии за засилувања.
@true blue Можеби, но незнаеме дали е 150м + пари од трансфери што ќе се продадат или фиксно 150м. Ако го купиме Хаверц нападот ќе ни биде среден 10 години.
Во одбраната немам доверба ич. И да дојде некој класа лев бек пак ми е несигурна. Зума, Кристенсен, Рудигер, Томори би биле добри само ако има некој класа дефанзивец до нив (Тери, Ван Дајк, Компани и сл.), но никако комбинација од нив.
Во одбраната немам доверба ич. И да дојде некој класа лев бек пак ми е несигурна. Зума, Кристенсен, Рудигер, Томори би биле добри само ако има некој класа дефанзивец до нив (Тери, Ван Дајк, Компани и сл.), но никако комбинација од нив.
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The inside story of how Chelsea landed Werner
By Liam Twomey, David Ornstein
Other contributors: James Pearce, Simon Johnson, Raphael Honigstein, Simon Hughes
Less than three weeks ago, Timo Werners mind was in Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp had won him over, making clear his admiration and convincing him during two meetings and several WhatsApp chats that Anfield would be the best fit for the striker. It seemed an inevitable move.
Chelseas success in convincing one of Europes most prolific goalscorers to pick west London owes much to the speed with which they moved when an opportunity presented itself, as well as to owner Roman Abramovichs willingness to spend what others would not.
Thursdays rapid developments were no ploy to flush out an eleventh-hour bid from the Premier League leaders. Chelsea will finalise a €60 million (£54 million) deal to sign Werner from RB Leipzig next week, having agreed to match the release clause in his contract. He will be added to a dynamic young squad that was already set to be bolstered by the arrival this summer of Ajaxs Hakim Ziyech.
Chelseas big push was the culmination of 10 dramatic days that completely upended Werners vision for his future. But how did this happen?
For much of this season, Werners Plan A had been Liverpool, while Plan B had been one more season with RB Leipzig. But as the June 15 deadline for the release clause in his contract began to loom, Werner grew anxious. By the time the Bundesliga season ended, he wanted to be able to browse potential properties in Merseyside and go on holiday with his future settled. Above all, he did not want a repeat of last summer, when he said his goodbyes to RB Leipzig ahead of a move to Bayern Munich, only for the deal to collapse.
Werner set Liverpool a separate deadline to make a final decision on whether they were prepared to meet his release clause. Klopp consulted with Fenway Sports Group, then called the striker to explain why the move would not happen. Sources have told The Athletic that the Liverpool manager insisted the reasoning was purely financial, rather than any negative reflection on the player or his proposed role in Klopps squad. Werner accepted the explanation and the two men remain on good terms.
FSG does not take money out of Liverpool, but they do expect the club to live within its means. During the COVID-19 shutdown, the message coming from the highest levels at Anfield has been that there will be no major signings in the coming transfer window. The wage bill stands at £310 million and when the club reversed its decision to furlough staff in April, chief executive Peter Moore warned of "unprecedented operating losses" as a result of the pandemic.
When contacted by The Athletic, Liverpool insisted the decision to pass on Werner was not a financial one. It would, however, have been a vast outlay for a player who would have started his Anfield career as a substitute. Klopp can currently field arguably the most devastating front three in world football, and Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mohamed Salah are all in their prime years.
He had been planning to ease Werner into the starting XI around January 2021, when Africa Cup of Nations commitments were scheduled to occupy Mane and Salah for up to six weeks. But with that competition increasingly likely to be pushed back to 2022 as footballs schedule adapts to the effects of COVID-19, such expensive and high-calibre squad cover next season is less necessary.
Liverpools withdrawal opened the door for other suitors. Werners representatives re-opened talks with Manchester United and Chelsea. Both clubs had made their interest known earlier in the season, and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had met the striker in Berlin in February, shortly before a meeting with Klopp. United, however, made it clear they would only be willing to meet the release clause if they found a buyer for Paul Pogba.
Chelsea presented no such stipulations. Marina Granovskaia indicated they would meet the release clause in full, and Frank Lampard called Werner to explain how he would fit into the clubs broader plans for the future. During two lengthy phone conversations, the striker warmed to the appeal of working under another admiring coach and joining a promising young squad.
COVID-19 travel restrictions prevented any Chelsea officials from flying to Germany to conduct the negotiations in person. Granovskaia handled discussions remotely while enlisting the services of Luxembourg-based lawyer Dr Michael Becker, who once represented Michael Ballack and often works with the club on transfer business in Germany. Werner cannot travel either due to hygiene rules set by the DFL, but there were no practical impediments to the deal.
RB Leipzig initially supported Werners plan to either join Liverpool this summer or stay with Leipzig for another year, though they were mindful of the fact that Werners release clause dropped to €40 million next summer and €25 million in 2022. However, financial fair play became a bigger consideration and The Athletic understands the club recently explained that to Werner who, though disappointed, understood he would have to leave for the good of the club. Since promotion to the Bundesliga in 2016, Leipzigs net spend, according to Transfermarkt is €137.2 million, bigger even than Bayern Munich (€117.5 million).
Losing his top scorer stings for RB Leipzigs highly regarded young coach Julian Nagelsmann, who played an instrumental role in convincing Werner to sign a new contract after Bayern dropped their interest in the summer of 2019. But there was always a recognition that the presence of a release clause in his new deal made this scenario likely, and the clubs stance towards a sale hardened their strikers resolve to seek out alternative Premier League destinations when Liverpool withdrew.
Werner formally agreed to join Chelsea on Thursday afternoon, with news of his decision leaking out shortly afterwards. Sources have told The Athletic that Antonio Rudiger, who played alongside the striker at youth and senior level at Stuttgart and remains his team-mate in the Germany squad, was particularly excited by the prospect of welcoming his friend to Stamford Bridge.
All parties expect to complete the deal next week, as only relatively minor details need to be resolved. One is the precise payment plan, but there is a suggestion that two-thirds of the transfer fee will be paid this window, with the rest to follow in January. Another is length of contract; Chelsea are understood to want at least a five-year deal. Werners salary will increase year-on-year as the contract progresses, and is expected to reach in the region of £9 million per year (a little more than £170,000 per week) plus bonuses.
It is a big victory for Lampard, who publicly stressed the need to add more goals to his squad in January. He didnt get his wish then, but next season he will be able to call upon a scorer coveted by Europes elite. For context, sources told The Athletic that Liverpools recruitment staff, widely regarded as among the very best in world football, rated Werner more highly than either Jadon Sancho or Kai Havertz due to his combination of lightning speed and positional versatility.
Lampard was also interested in Arsenal captain Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, primarily because of his proven track record as a prolific goalscorer in the Premier League. Petr Cech, Chelseas technical and performance advisor, shared similar views after forming a very positive impression of the Gabon internationals personality and professionalism in the 18 months they spent as team-mates at the Emirates Stadium. Enquiries were made in January but it was late in the window, Barcelona were also in the picture and Arsenal were unwilling to sell.
Aubameyang, however, is 31 in June. Werner, seven years his junior, more closely fits the profile of the hugely talented batch of Chelsea academy graduates around which Lampard is building his squad. His skill set is also very similar to Dries Mertens, another prolific veteran who continued to draw admiring glances from Stamford Bridge until he committed to a new three-year contract with Napoli in May.
Werners arrival presents a challenge to Tammy Abraham, who remains the only one of Lampards home-grown core yet to commit to a long-term extension. Despite being very capable of carrying a goal threat from the left flank, 27 of the Germany internationals 35 starts and 24 of his 29 goals for RB Leipzig in the Bundesliga and Champions League this season have come as a central striker.
But if Chelsea truly aspire to be elite contenders again, Lampard knows he must be able to call upon attacking firepower to match the very best. The acquisitions of Ziyech and Werner have emphatically addressed his squads most pressing need weeks before the transfer window officially opens.
Плус:
The inside story of how Chelsea landed Werner
By Liam Twomey, David Ornstein
Other contributors: James Pearce, Simon Johnson, Raphael Honigstein, Simon Hughes
Less than three weeks ago, Timo Werners mind was in Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp had won him over, making clear his admiration and convincing him during two meetings and several WhatsApp chats that Anfield would be the best fit for the striker. It seemed an inevitable move.
Chelseas success in convincing one of Europes most prolific goalscorers to pick west London owes much to the speed with which they moved when an opportunity presented itself, as well as to owner Roman Abramovichs willingness to spend what others would not.
Thursdays rapid developments were no ploy to flush out an eleventh-hour bid from the Premier League leaders. Chelsea will finalise a €60 million (£54 million) deal to sign Werner from RB Leipzig next week, having agreed to match the release clause in his contract. He will be added to a dynamic young squad that was already set to be bolstered by the arrival this summer of Ajaxs Hakim Ziyech.
Chelseas big push was the culmination of 10 dramatic days that completely upended Werners vision for his future. But how did this happen?
For much of this season, Werners Plan A had been Liverpool, while Plan B had been one more season with RB Leipzig. But as the June 15 deadline for the release clause in his contract began to loom, Werner grew anxious. By the time the Bundesliga season ended, he wanted to be able to browse potential properties in Merseyside and go on holiday with his future settled. Above all, he did not want a repeat of last summer, when he said his goodbyes to RB Leipzig ahead of a move to Bayern Munich, only for the deal to collapse.
Werner set Liverpool a separate deadline to make a final decision on whether they were prepared to meet his release clause. Klopp consulted with Fenway Sports Group, then called the striker to explain why the move would not happen. Sources have told The Athletic that the Liverpool manager insisted the reasoning was purely financial, rather than any negative reflection on the player or his proposed role in Klopps squad. Werner accepted the explanation and the two men remain on good terms.
FSG does not take money out of Liverpool, but they do expect the club to live within its means. During the COVID-19 shutdown, the message coming from the highest levels at Anfield has been that there will be no major signings in the coming transfer window. The wage bill stands at £310 million and when the club reversed its decision to furlough staff in April, chief executive Peter Moore warned of "unprecedented operating losses" as a result of the pandemic.
When contacted by The Athletic, Liverpool insisted the decision to pass on Werner was not a financial one. It would, however, have been a vast outlay for a player who would have started his Anfield career as a substitute. Klopp can currently field arguably the most devastating front three in world football, and Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mohamed Salah are all in their prime years.
He had been planning to ease Werner into the starting XI around January 2021, when Africa Cup of Nations commitments were scheduled to occupy Mane and Salah for up to six weeks. But with that competition increasingly likely to be pushed back to 2022 as footballs schedule adapts to the effects of COVID-19, such expensive and high-calibre squad cover next season is less necessary.
Liverpools withdrawal opened the door for other suitors. Werners representatives re-opened talks with Manchester United and Chelsea. Both clubs had made their interest known earlier in the season, and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had met the striker in Berlin in February, shortly before a meeting with Klopp. United, however, made it clear they would only be willing to meet the release clause if they found a buyer for Paul Pogba.
Chelsea presented no such stipulations. Marina Granovskaia indicated they would meet the release clause in full, and Frank Lampard called Werner to explain how he would fit into the clubs broader plans for the future. During two lengthy phone conversations, the striker warmed to the appeal of working under another admiring coach and joining a promising young squad.
COVID-19 travel restrictions prevented any Chelsea officials from flying to Germany to conduct the negotiations in person. Granovskaia handled discussions remotely while enlisting the services of Luxembourg-based lawyer Dr Michael Becker, who once represented Michael Ballack and often works with the club on transfer business in Germany. Werner cannot travel either due to hygiene rules set by the DFL, but there were no practical impediments to the deal.
RB Leipzig initially supported Werners plan to either join Liverpool this summer or stay with Leipzig for another year, though they were mindful of the fact that Werners release clause dropped to €40 million next summer and €25 million in 2022. However, financial fair play became a bigger consideration and The Athletic understands the club recently explained that to Werner who, though disappointed, understood he would have to leave for the good of the club. Since promotion to the Bundesliga in 2016, Leipzigs net spend, according to Transfermarkt is €137.2 million, bigger even than Bayern Munich (€117.5 million).
Losing his top scorer stings for RB Leipzigs highly regarded young coach Julian Nagelsmann, who played an instrumental role in convincing Werner to sign a new contract after Bayern dropped their interest in the summer of 2019. But there was always a recognition that the presence of a release clause in his new deal made this scenario likely, and the clubs stance towards a sale hardened their strikers resolve to seek out alternative Premier League destinations when Liverpool withdrew.
Werner formally agreed to join Chelsea on Thursday afternoon, with news of his decision leaking out shortly afterwards. Sources have told The Athletic that Antonio Rudiger, who played alongside the striker at youth and senior level at Stuttgart and remains his team-mate in the Germany squad, was particularly excited by the prospect of welcoming his friend to Stamford Bridge.
All parties expect to complete the deal next week, as only relatively minor details need to be resolved. One is the precise payment plan, but there is a suggestion that two-thirds of the transfer fee will be paid this window, with the rest to follow in January. Another is length of contract; Chelsea are understood to want at least a five-year deal. Werners salary will increase year-on-year as the contract progresses, and is expected to reach in the region of £9 million per year (a little more than £170,000 per week) plus bonuses.
It is a big victory for Lampard, who publicly stressed the need to add more goals to his squad in January. He didnt get his wish then, but next season he will be able to call upon a scorer coveted by Europes elite. For context, sources told The Athletic that Liverpools recruitment staff, widely regarded as among the very best in world football, rated Werner more highly than either Jadon Sancho or Kai Havertz due to his combination of lightning speed and positional versatility.
Lampard was also interested in Arsenal captain Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, primarily because of his proven track record as a prolific goalscorer in the Premier League. Petr Cech, Chelseas technical and performance advisor, shared similar views after forming a very positive impression of the Gabon internationals personality and professionalism in the 18 months they spent as team-mates at the Emirates Stadium. Enquiries were made in January but it was late in the window, Barcelona were also in the picture and Arsenal were unwilling to sell.
Aubameyang, however, is 31 in June. Werner, seven years his junior, more closely fits the profile of the hugely talented batch of Chelsea academy graduates around which Lampard is building his squad. His skill set is also very similar to Dries Mertens, another prolific veteran who continued to draw admiring glances from Stamford Bridge until he committed to a new three-year contract with Napoli in May.
Werners arrival presents a challenge to Tammy Abraham, who remains the only one of Lampards home-grown core yet to commit to a long-term extension. Despite being very capable of carrying a goal threat from the left flank, 27 of the Germany internationals 35 starts and 24 of his 29 goals for RB Leipzig in the Bundesliga and Champions League this season have come as a central striker.
But if Chelsea truly aspire to be elite contenders again, Lampard knows he must be able to call upon attacking firepower to match the very best. The acquisitions of Ziyech and Werner have emphatically addressed his squads most pressing need weeks before the transfer window officially opens.
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Штом се најавува дека и Роман е спремен да троши, не мора да имаат никакво значење цифриве. Со олеснувањата за ФФП можно е и неограничен буџет да имаат, нормално се додека сметаат дека играчот е правилен избор за клубот.
Се надевам дека брзо ќе се среди и левиот бек, иако ако е Чилвел не верувам дека Лестер ќе сакаат да влезат во сериозни преговори пред да заврши сезонава. Е после бар мое мислење според се ова што излага деновиве е дека би биле спремни на уште еден играч да дадат пари. Јас мислам дека ќе пробаат за еден од Санчо/Хаверц.
Не знам за Хаверц. Он е повеќе десетка, а на таа позиција нема простор веќе. Зошто би се давале толку пари за позиција која не е критична? Јас лично после лев бек би одел all-out на централен дефанзивец. Ако се осигура и тоа, на сите делови од теренот се доста добри, може после со било какви играчи да се пополни уште некоја дупка (четврто крило).