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FilipMacedon
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Ај школо,ај црква,ај дај тоа Солун:wink:.Полека но сигурно си доаѓаат работите на свое место
Во Грција ќе никне училиште на македонски јазик
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- Време на започнување
Bratot
Стоик и Машкртник!
После расистичките напади од страна на разни Грчки организации и блогери следи реакција.
Преведено од Грчки на Англиски:
"The “Educative and Cultural Movement of Edessa”, is the new Macedonian association, that these last days was the object of fierce fascist attacks.
The attacks began, as usually, via the anti-macedonian blogs and are expected to be continued via racist papers and mechanisms of black propaganda that flourish in our region.
The association, by what I understood, is a Non Governmental Organisation with educational and cultural character. It is not limited to Macedonian culture, but because its founders are of Macedonian origin (from Edessa), automatically were considered suspicious. Especially at the moment that it appeared in some web page of the Macedonian Diaspora, it had to be exterminated.
The persecutors immediately said that, “In Edessa was created a "skopian" Association called .....” followed by a sewer of mud-talking and calumny. Were reported also certain names of leaders, the names of whom were covered with mud and infamy. They sought also the names of the founding members.
Why, I wonder? The founders, who ever they are, certainly created the association with a view to make public events and their activities will be addressed to all citizens. Hence they do not have aim to be hidden. To what, therefore, this hastiness to know the names? The reason is one and only. The anti-macedonian racists know they cannot anymore deter the creation of any association that cultivates any form of Macedonian culture.
The pioneer activists of MAKIBE, Rainbow and others, individually, are acting in broad daylight and undisturbed.
They are employed by the state, they take public work or government subsidies and the official state does not bother them, as in the past. The Rainbow congress took place under government protection, the festivals are protected from annoying racists (for example that of Meliti, recently), the same goes for activities of Macedonian cultural associations, too. This cannot "digest" the fascists and the racists. And because they cannot prevent them anymore, they resort to the tactic of calumny and mud-talking.
The calumny is characteristic weapon of invalid intellectually persons. They know that the named and continuously increasing in number activists are not intimidated and will continue, and neither these racists hope in something like it. Their objective is the big majority of local people who are deceived, trapped by the anti-macedonian propaganda, the fears of the past and deficiently informed. Striking the pioneers, they send the messages to the majority:. “This will suffer whoever dares”.
This effort is not unique, nor makes a first-time appearance. By this way is faced each effort of invigoration of local Macedonian culture.
By this way was faced even the initiative of establishing the annual Festival of Macedonian Dances in 1992. And we talk only for dances. Not only is not prohibited the Festival of Pontian Dances, but also is granted by air-conditioned closed gyms, is subsidised and appears at the television.
The festival of Macedonian Dances, instead of being faced equivalently and be helped by the state, as the Pontian is, was faced in the same way as the new-founded association in Edessa.
Macedonian associations should limit themselves only in music and no song in their events, other ways they enter in the foresight of fascists. They should not have relations with the associations of their fellow countrymen in the Republic of Macedonia and in the Diaspora. The Natives should be citizens of limited rights and the limits of their rights are determined by others.
This that happens today is the continuity of the policy of castor oil, exiles, beatings, the fines to all Macedonians they used their maternal tongue. As the situation today does not allow anymore such methods, they have been inventing various other ways: black propaganda, calumny, mud-talking.
Maybe someone will say it is exaggeration the use of terms like fascists and racists. Many times we hear to be stressed that basic characteristic of democracy is the respect of the right of others to express themselves with no restriction and no repercussion for their opinion.
Many times we hear them repeat the maxim of Voltaire "I disagree with what you say, but I will be defending till my death your right to say it". The Natives' right to say what they believe, for what it concerns them, not only they do not respect it and they are not defending it up to death, but they undermine it. That is the opposite of democracy, that is to say fascism.
And unfortunately this peculiar fascism has a lot of means and many tentacles. Huge responsibilities for this have also all those who tolerate this phenomenon. Even the silence is accomplice.
Accomplices also are those institutions in the nucleus of which are cultivated anti-macedonian propagandas, like the political parties, the institutions kind of IMXA, the "Company of Macedonian Study", the “Pammacedonian Unions”, near the Church organisations, Pontian associations etc There are the nest where the suckling of all these dirty anti-macedonian propagandas take place.
Do they not know that for the Macedonians it is considered an insult the characterization “Bulgar” and the language as “Bulgarian”? When they characterize our ancestors who made the revolution of Iliden as Bulgarians, do they understand that they characterize also us, who are their descendants, as Bulgarians?
They know it very well, but they consider that they have the right to offend us, without us to react.
Would they like us to start also to call the refugees Turks or Turks' seeds, as certain Macedonians do the same? Certainly, no.
Therefore should take notice those who insult and defame us but also those who are hidden behind them, that if this disrespect is continued, this blog will start to post articles and comments of Macedonians that call those refugees from Asia Turks and Turks' seeds, “knowing well the consequences of law”.
And we do not recognize to the state the right to observe two metres and two levels. To all of them we want to say this: enough is enough. You came in our homeland and instead of respecting our hospitality for you to sit by our side, with respect to our identity and our rights, you sat on our necks. Get down, therefore, from our necks, because we are not compelled to tolerate you as guardians, for ever. We will toss you off and your landing will be very abnormal."
by Karatasho
http://iliden.blogspot.com/
Преведено од Грчки на Англиски:
"The “Educative and Cultural Movement of Edessa”, is the new Macedonian association, that these last days was the object of fierce fascist attacks.
The attacks began, as usually, via the anti-macedonian blogs and are expected to be continued via racist papers and mechanisms of black propaganda that flourish in our region.
The association, by what I understood, is a Non Governmental Organisation with educational and cultural character. It is not limited to Macedonian culture, but because its founders are of Macedonian origin (from Edessa), automatically were considered suspicious. Especially at the moment that it appeared in some web page of the Macedonian Diaspora, it had to be exterminated.
The persecutors immediately said that, “In Edessa was created a "skopian" Association called .....” followed by a sewer of mud-talking and calumny. Were reported also certain names of leaders, the names of whom were covered with mud and infamy. They sought also the names of the founding members.
Why, I wonder? The founders, who ever they are, certainly created the association with a view to make public events and their activities will be addressed to all citizens. Hence they do not have aim to be hidden. To what, therefore, this hastiness to know the names? The reason is one and only. The anti-macedonian racists know they cannot anymore deter the creation of any association that cultivates any form of Macedonian culture.
The pioneer activists of MAKIBE, Rainbow and others, individually, are acting in broad daylight and undisturbed.
They are employed by the state, they take public work or government subsidies and the official state does not bother them, as in the past. The Rainbow congress took place under government protection, the festivals are protected from annoying racists (for example that of Meliti, recently), the same goes for activities of Macedonian cultural associations, too. This cannot "digest" the fascists and the racists. And because they cannot prevent them anymore, they resort to the tactic of calumny and mud-talking.
The calumny is characteristic weapon of invalid intellectually persons. They know that the named and continuously increasing in number activists are not intimidated and will continue, and neither these racists hope in something like it. Their objective is the big majority of local people who are deceived, trapped by the anti-macedonian propaganda, the fears of the past and deficiently informed. Striking the pioneers, they send the messages to the majority:. “This will suffer whoever dares”.
This effort is not unique, nor makes a first-time appearance. By this way is faced each effort of invigoration of local Macedonian culture.
By this way was faced even the initiative of establishing the annual Festival of Macedonian Dances in 1992. And we talk only for dances. Not only is not prohibited the Festival of Pontian Dances, but also is granted by air-conditioned closed gyms, is subsidised and appears at the television.
The festival of Macedonian Dances, instead of being faced equivalently and be helped by the state, as the Pontian is, was faced in the same way as the new-founded association in Edessa.
Macedonian associations should limit themselves only in music and no song in their events, other ways they enter in the foresight of fascists. They should not have relations with the associations of their fellow countrymen in the Republic of Macedonia and in the Diaspora. The Natives should be citizens of limited rights and the limits of their rights are determined by others.
This that happens today is the continuity of the policy of castor oil, exiles, beatings, the fines to all Macedonians they used their maternal tongue. As the situation today does not allow anymore such methods, they have been inventing various other ways: black propaganda, calumny, mud-talking.
Maybe someone will say it is exaggeration the use of terms like fascists and racists. Many times we hear to be stressed that basic characteristic of democracy is the respect of the right of others to express themselves with no restriction and no repercussion for their opinion.
Many times we hear them repeat the maxim of Voltaire "I disagree with what you say, but I will be defending till my death your right to say it". The Natives' right to say what they believe, for what it concerns them, not only they do not respect it and they are not defending it up to death, but they undermine it. That is the opposite of democracy, that is to say fascism.
And unfortunately this peculiar fascism has a lot of means and many tentacles. Huge responsibilities for this have also all those who tolerate this phenomenon. Even the silence is accomplice.
Accomplices also are those institutions in the nucleus of which are cultivated anti-macedonian propagandas, like the political parties, the institutions kind of IMXA, the "Company of Macedonian Study", the “Pammacedonian Unions”, near the Church organisations, Pontian associations etc There are the nest where the suckling of all these dirty anti-macedonian propagandas take place.
Do they not know that for the Macedonians it is considered an insult the characterization “Bulgar” and the language as “Bulgarian”? When they characterize our ancestors who made the revolution of Iliden as Bulgarians, do they understand that they characterize also us, who are their descendants, as Bulgarians?
They know it very well, but they consider that they have the right to offend us, without us to react.
Would they like us to start also to call the refugees Turks or Turks' seeds, as certain Macedonians do the same? Certainly, no.
Therefore should take notice those who insult and defame us but also those who are hidden behind them, that if this disrespect is continued, this blog will start to post articles and comments of Macedonians that call those refugees from Asia Turks and Turks' seeds, “knowing well the consequences of law”.
And we do not recognize to the state the right to observe two metres and two levels. To all of them we want to say this: enough is enough. You came in our homeland and instead of respecting our hospitality for you to sit by our side, with respect to our identity and our rights, you sat on our necks. Get down, therefore, from our necks, because we are not compelled to tolerate you as guardians, for ever. We will toss you off and your landing will be very abnormal."
by Karatasho
http://iliden.blogspot.com/
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Само напред браќа Македонци низ цел свет! Викнете гласно за да не слушнат сите, дека сме постоеле и ќе постоиме! За жал народот кој е во Македонија неможе , ниту има сила и финансии да го направи ова надвор од своите граници, но затоа не има нас Македонците низ цел свет и заедно можеме да го направиме ова за сите нас , Македонци од Македонија, Македонци во грција, во бугарија и
Албанија, во Србија и цел свет! Можеме да се обединиме и да ја воскреснеме нашата света земја!
Македонија на Македонците!
Албанија, во Србија и цел свет! Можеме да се обединиме и да ја воскреснеме нашата света земја!
Македонија на Македонците!
Bratot
Стоик и Машкртник!
Конечно и ВЕБСАЈТ на НВО-то на Македонците во Воден:
http://www.edessavoden.gr/
Мала помош на гугл превод за полесно разгледување на страната:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=pl&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edessavoden.gr%2Fpage1.aspx&sl=el&tl=en
Превод на воведот:
The Non-Profit Organization "Cultural and Cultural Movement of Edessa" was created by people who love the local Macedonian tradition and want to provide for the preservation and dissemination of this rich cultural heritage of historical and political reasons it was not necessary protection and to disseminate our country.
Our Organization, in collaboration with educational and cultural associations and other bodies of the Region of Macedonia, all of Greece and the Balkan countries, will help to highlight any local Macedonian Cultural Expressions, old and modern.
One of the major initiatives of the Company will be the registration and issue of all folklore elements tend to disappear as the local Macedonian language of each region of Macedonia, the traditional songs sung in that language as the old customs, tales and stories of these areas.
Also, the Company will assist the emergence of new artists who often do not have the means to display their art.
Our responsibility is great with regard to younger generations and conveying morals, customs, tradition, culture and language of our ancestors is our duty and our purpose.
:smir:
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Конечно и ВЕБСАЈТ на НВО-то на Македонците во Воден:
http://www.edessavoden.gr/
Мала помош на гугл превод за полесно разгледување на страната:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=pl&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edessavoden.gr%2Fpage1.aspx&sl=el&tl=en
Превод на воведот:
The Non-Profit Organization "Cultural and Cultural Movement of Edessa" was created by people who love the local Macedonian tradition and want to provide for the preservation and dissemination of this rich cultural heritage of historical and political reasons it was not necessary protection and to disseminate our country.
Our Organization, in collaboration with educational and cultural associations and other bodies of the Region of Macedonia, all of Greece and the Balkan countries, will help to highlight any local Macedonian Cultural Expressions, old and modern.
One of the major initiatives of the Company will be the registration and issue of all folklore elements tend to disappear as the local Macedonian language of each region of Macedonia, the traditional songs sung in that language as the old customs, tales and stories of these areas.
Also, the Company will assist the emergence of new artists who often do not have the means to display their art.
Our responsibility is great with regard to younger generations and conveying morals, customs, tradition, culture and language of our ancestors is our duty and our purpose.
:smir:
браво браво браво
немам зборови ...
btw. има ли нешто од ова по нашиве медиуми ... или? како и секогаш поинтересни се за нив антимакедонските случувања ....
Bratot
Стоик и Машкртник!
Поинтересни им се антимакедонските пропаганди.
H
HITCH
Гостин
:helou: Колку сум возбудена едвај чекам да го отворат школото :back:
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ne si realen,
Ova sto go gledam sto se slucuva mi dava povod da podelam eden muabet so vas sto sum go pravel so eden gospodin tamu nekade 1998-1999.
'' Rabotev vo eden Hotel i vo eden razgovor so eden nepoznat gospodin vrzavme muabet za politickite slucuvanja na Balkanot. Toa bese moment koga se pukase vo Kosovo nekoe vreme pred da se bombardira Srbija, i togas mojot sogovornik kaza mislenje ili bese dovolno upaten da kaze sto ke se slucuva vo idnina i rece: Sega Srbija ke go izgubi Kosovo toa za niv e veke izgubeno, posle toa ke ima slucuvanja vo Makedonija i Albancite ke dobijat sve ( gore dolu sve sto kaza dobija), pa prodolzi da zboruva za makedonsko prasanje i rece: posle ke se otvori Makedonskoto prasanje vo Grcija i Bugarija.
Spored site slucuvajna na Balkanov i ova sve se krcka vo posledno vreme ne sme daleku od muabetot so covekot sto i den denesen ne znam koj bese i sto bese po profesija ili funkcija.
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ajde be brat pusti im po eden e-mail na ovie da ne im go spomnuvam imeto, gi znaes koj gubrina se.
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Македонија во срцето!!!
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Приватното училиште ги подели Македонците од Грција
„Море чупи костурчанки, раширете го орото, раширете го орото, да ви вијме фустаните...“ Ова е дел од традиционална егејска песна штоа на македонски јазик е објавена на интернет-страницата на организацијата „Образовно и културно движење на Воден“, која неодамна ја формираа група Македонци во северна Грција.
Новоформираната организација најави дека планира да го отвори првото приватно училиште во Грција во кое ќе може да се учи македонскиот јазик. Кај дел од Македонците во Грција, пак, постои дилема дали е добра идејата да се отвори такво училиште. Наши извори, кои побараа да останат анонимни, тврдат дека повеќето Македонци што живеат во северна Грција нема да се осмелат да ги пуштат своите деца приватно да учат македонски јазик поради страв дека грчките власти ќе им прават проблеми. Тоа, пак, потоа ќе биде во прилог на тврдењето на грчките власти дека не постојат Македонци во Грција и дека нема интерес да се учи македонскиот јазик.
Поддржувачи на организацијата што засега одбиваат да зборуваат јавно велат дека остануваат на идејата да отворат такво училиште.
- Ние не отстапуваме од нашиот план да го отвориме приватното училиште во кое ќе може да се учи македонскиот јазик - велат тие.
Првите курсеви се планирани да се одржат летово во Воден и околните села.
Сајтот на „Образовното и културно движење на Воден“ засега е само на грчки јазик, но се планира посетителите наскоро да може да се информираат за активностите на организацијата и на македонски јазик. На интернет-изданието се објаснува дека организацијата има за цел да ги едуцира Македонците во Грција за македонската традиција, култура и обичаи преку организирање семинари, концерти и изложби. Планираат да објавуваат цедиња, книги и списанија на македонски јазик, како и да отворат библиотека.
http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/De...=2&fCat=1&top=1&EditionID=380&ArticleID=23430